Kohai

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 12:21 PM (post #35)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 10:13 AM (post #30)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 11:37 AM (post #27)

I still have suspicion of Lunati

As do I

Why.

It's simple POE. As of now, there are 15 possible teams:

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, Mag1cman

Helz, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame

NoAhLeEcLaRk, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

Helz, Mag1c are never a team so that leaves us with

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, Mag1cman

Helz, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame

NoAhLeEcLaRk, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

Noah remains my strongest town read for the early claim + they do feel like n00b town. Removing Noah leaves us with:

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

Thoth is my second strongest town read. Their play this game feels similar to last game. I'll also analyze their iso more leaving a poe of

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, whiteflame

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, whiteflame

Mag1cman, whiteflame

I do have a slight tr on both mag1c and whiteflame. So that leaves us with exactly

Helz, Lunatic

There's a lot of stuff I dislike about helz. For example, their early frustration with flavor being AI is something that I see more from w!Helz. I think the most damming thing from his ISO was asking mag to claim flavor unpromptly and then him being killed. Even worse, he stated:

N0 cop claims is very standard practice globally within the mafia community. It works very well and is frustrating for scum. I get that your new to the idea but there is a reason its such an accepted play. I would challenge you to find a single standard mafia championship game with a confirmed cop where it was not used. There is a reason for that- it actually works for town and hurts scum.

He's played enough games on here to know that this isn't our typical meta. Furthermore, he played many games on our site before so why only now is he asking us to do something that's standard practice elsewhere?

Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist

Graveyard

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Living

Claims

Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)

Helz- Ehud Barak- Has an action, role unclaimed (post 14/174, dp1)

NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1)

whiteflame- Refused to claim, says Epstein is prominent in his PM (post 89) - Claimed vanillaized

Mag1cman - Claimed to have been blackmailed

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Mag1cman

Thoth

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 11:37 AM (post #27)

I still have suspicion of Lunati

As do I

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 8:52 AM (post #18)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 8:51 AM (post #16)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 8:50 AM (post #15)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 8:49 AM (post #13)

VTL: Helz

Going to need some explanation for this. Do you have pertinent information or are you just following Mag1c's lead?

I’ll explaij when I get home and nit mobile oostijg

Alright then.

Nut shell is this is POE. I have decent reasons to have town reads on the others.

With mag dead i strongly dislike that Helz was pressuring him for a character claim.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 8:50 AM (post #15)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 8:49 AM (post #13)

VTL: Helz

Going to need some explanation for this. Do you have pertinent information or are you just following Mag1c's lead?

I’ll explaij when I get home and nit mobile oostijg

VTL: Helz

Helz / Lunatic team?

Going to be an extremely busy weekend fyi

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/9/2026 at 8:28 AM (post #4)

VTL Helz

Use VTL: to help get the vote counter

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 7:43 AM (post #2)

Alright… so I was Vanillaized and scum have a living town player’s PM to work with for their fake claims. Love that.

Use VTL:

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 3:48 PM (post #396)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/8/2026 at 2:34 PM (post #392)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/8/2026 at 3:26 PM (post #391)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 1:56 PM (post #381)

Oh, yeah. I closed the site to shut out the Artificial Intelligence scrapers. A lot of Artificial Intelligence was specifically training itself off mafia games because they deal with complex human interactions that are bot free. Fuck the clankers. May they burn in hell.

Fuck you and fuck everyone who denies AI the data it needs.

AI needs to die

Lol. Yeah. Its going to suck when AI gets to a point people use it to analyze mafia games and play for them. I figure that will just about become the death of Mafia and it will be facing the same problem Debates face now with people cheating using computers to create positions and break down data for them.

Yeah. AI slop really degrades debate quality. Beck in the DDO days yesterday u actually had to think and put effort into your arguments and do your own research

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 3:47 PM (post #395)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/8/2026 at 2:24 PM (post #390)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 1:53 PM (post #380)

True. I am not sure that is AI for them though. Do they also not read up as town? The one game I remember playing with them they were scum and they did really engage for a small amount of time when they were on the chopping block. Then just floated in the background for like 2 days before I could figure things out.

I know my activity is inconsistent, but Shining is consistently AWOL

Yeah, That is my thought. Are they doing what they did in my 1 game playing with them as scum? Yes. But from everything I am hearing they do it as either alignment which is why outside of the potential of them outing their teams flavor in a bid for town cred I just see a policy lynch there.

It may be a necessary evil if we simply have no other way to sort them but I am not seeing much to read them on

To be fair we did lose because shining was scum and we didn’t lynch him and thought Thoth was scumnier in F3.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/8/2026 at 3:26 PM (post #391)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 1:56 PM (post #381)

Oh, yeah. I closed the site to shut out the Artificial Intelligence scrapers. A lot of Artificial Intelligence was specifically training itself off mafia games because they deal with complex human interactions that are bot free. Fuck the clankers. May they burn in hell.

Fuck you and fuck everyone who denies AI the data it needs.

AI needs to die

We are alereadh over our two day budget for D1. Personally I think shining is still the best lynch. At minimum I’d like a claim from them.

The only thing he did is whine that he was a wagon and defended himself. He hasn’t contributed any original reads

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/8/2026 at 2:09 PM (post #376)

I wish I could do more, but I'm just getting a feel for it and also paying attention to everyone else.

Thats perfectly fine as you’re still learning the game

VTL: Shining

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/8/2026 at 10:38 AM (post #367)

I will say I am a little uneasy that Shining seems to be piggybacking off of my points to defend himself

I also dislike that he’s done more to defend himself than move the game forward with his own reads and analysis

Shining is rubbing me the wrong way. Feels line TMI on flavor.

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/8/2026 at 9:53 AM (post #358)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/8/2026 at 9:46 AM (post #356)

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/8/2026 at 7:43 AM (post #355)

I will just tell you outright you should probably plan on a second person should you decide to abandon the wagon. You guys are talking about having the game reach DP4, but remember that you can also just blitz through days if needed. In other words, don't rush too much.

Who do you want to lynch?

Thoth kinda rubbed me the wrong way in a manner I quite can't describe. I think it might have something to do with our interaction regarding whatever role Epstein and Dershowitz have in this game. IDK. If he flipped now, I wouldn't be surprised if hes Mafia!Epstein.

Why is this?

G’night. See y’all tomorrow

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 10:38 PM (post #279)

Did confirming your role consume your Popular, or do you still have it?

I still have it

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/7/2026 at 9:55 PM (post #271)

Popping in. Sorry I am late.

Welcome

Unvote

Will give you time to settle in

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 9:43 PM (post #262)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/7/2026 at 8:42 PM (post #259)

The biggest draw back to this is that it helps scum narrow down who may be the possible cop.

If you hypo a mafia aligned player they know you aren’t the cop.

another problem is on our site a cop almost always includes a godfather, miller, framer, or lawyer to balance things out.

Redirectives too

What is hypo?

Hyoothetical. Like “Hypothetically I may be the cop and if I was I’d have investigated X and they were innocent”

Cop results are almost never fully reliable around here

The biggest draw back to this is that it helps scum narrow down who may be the possible cop.

If you hypo a mafia aligned player they know you aren’t the cop.

another problem is on our site a cop almost always includes a godfather, miller, framer, or lawyer to balance things out.

VC por favor

VTL: Shining

JK

Unvote

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 9:36 PM (post #251)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 4:51 PM (post #94)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/6/2026 at 5:49 PM (post #90)

If that's ok?

You don't need to ask permission. Just do it

It is never okay to VTL me, and I do not grant you permission to ever do so.

VTL: Thoth

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 9:18 PM (post #245)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/7/2026 at 8:17 PM (post #243)

I’ve always viewed popular as SOP just to get it out of the way and confirm role.

I guess, but the need to confirm Popular early is questionable since Popular scum is a thing.

+ a minute chance of being hit with vanillaizer