I'll probably be voting between the three of you. I want each of you to at least claim something.
I'll probably be voting between the three of you. I want each of you to at least claim something.
The problem I'm having with Mikal is the motivation for why they are voting where they are. If you are voting someone just because they scum read you then this is classic OMGUS and at this point in the day phase is strong wolf motivation
Mikal wrote:
Between what we have as options currently. Bullish still reads me as off. I dont love this and if I can sell a Casey lynch. Id much rather shoot there. But if it has to be bullish or rex. Id go bullish
You're making it really difficult for me to not vote you right now.
If rex flips mafia then take a hard look at mikal for that vote
Mikal wrote:
I think id rather push Casey. They seem to be sliding under the radar and I think more often than not. Scum get away with that. If the options we have are rex and bullish, id rather it be bullish. Rex still reads me as town
VTL: Bullish
I will say that I really dislike the reasoning for this vote. You're only not voting rex because they town read you.
FYI I may not be around for EOD so consider my vote on rex. I have reservations on this lynch, but I do think they have been off behaviorally.
I really want to see a clear wagon and a clear CW
Thoth wrote:
It’s possible that Rex, in #169, meant ‘gave’ as ‘gave in response to one of scum’s questions’. Hence why my townslipread was slight.
Fair
Rex is now the top wagon. I want everyone to respond to me on what they think of p#169
Banana wrote:
VTL: RexFavilla
I'm disliking this back and forth from you
Helz wrote:
Thoth wrote:
I am not disagreeing, but weird positions and shortposting are NAI for Rex, especially on day 1.
I get you. But just look at this one little piece
#9 RVS vote
#16 Doubling down on the RVS vote for giggles
#23 Correcting their vote so the vote counter accepts it
#124 Blank vote on me
These are the posts Rex made before declaring that Kohai had to be either retarded or scum and must be killed because they did not recognize Rex was town.
Who can unpack that logic? Look at those posts and someone explain to me how this can come from anything but a flatly lying fake position. Its absolute made up reasoning with zero potential of any basis in logic.
Give me your thoughts on p#169. This is the singular post that has me questioning rex.
Magoroth wrote:
I am asking a dumb question to the host if Kohai could possibly NOT be confirmed Town somehow (e.g. the reveal could be a lie). I expect the answer to certainly be no, but it’s best to cover all possible bases. Not that I scumread Kohai though.
Low key kinda want to TR this post
Banana wrote:
Kohai wrote:
Banana wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
I don't fault Mikal for being honest about his read, I fault Thoth for PMing him outside the game to talk about it which is extremely banned in any mafia game.
Im entertaining a Mikal/Helz scum team because this OGI slapfight seems like something a scum team would use to distance with no danger of actually lynching the other player. Does it feel a bit contrived to anyone else?
it actually really really does. theres no way either of them care that much about this argument... there was a whole game in between that and amber. id go out on a limb and say they are purposefully gassing this up as a disntacn play.
Mikal / Lunatic are two players that I have absolutely zero idea how to read. Mikal's OGI / Angleshooting is disgusting as always. That said, I doubt w!Mikal gives up an easy ML like that.
was he really a mislynch? i had him as town. i feel like others did too. passing an already town read person as town confirmed doesnt do much for me honestly
I feel like it would be easy for w!Mikal to just flat out lie and get the exact opposite read on him being mafia. That said, I have zero clue on how to read mikal.
The OGI / Angleshooting stuff I've only seen him do as town. I don't recall him doing anywhere near as much stuff like that when he's scum
Banana wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
I don't fault Mikal for being honest about his read, I fault Thoth for PMing him outside the game to talk about it which is extremely banned in any mafia game.
Im entertaining a Mikal/Helz scum team because this OGI slapfight seems like something a scum team would use to distance with no danger of actually lynching the other player. Does it feel a bit contrived to anyone else?
it actually really really does. theres no way either of them care that much about this argument... there was a whole game in between that and amber. id go out on a limb and say they are purposefully gassing this up as a disntacn play.
Mikal / Lunatic are two players that I have absolutely zero idea how to read. Mikal's OGI / Angleshooting is disgusting as always. That said, I doubt w!Mikal gives up an easy ML like that.
Mag1cman wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Oh boy, this one should be fun. I am sadly not Magnesium, so my white flame won't shine bright this game. Still, I'll try to work with what I have. I do have a more than passing familiarity with the Periodic Table, though being a life scientist, probably less than most physical scientists have. Be interested to see how the Table was divvied out and I've got some thoughts on possible theme splits that I'll keep to myself for now.
i figured out what bothered me about whiteflame. it's this post. @whiteflame are you able to find an example of you doing this as town?
If don't see the incentive for town whiteflame to out that he's not magnesium. I'm aware it's a follow-up from the sign-ups thread for funsies, but I still think town whiteflame has more of an incentive to not give mafia even the slightest bit of hints.
I'm not following your point. Whiteflame's username is whiteflame. When magnesium burns it is an extremely hot, blindingly bright white fire, hence literally a white flame.
Magoroth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Thoth wrote:
I am Oganesson. I don’t know what my role is and won’t learn it until DP4. Justification is that very little
is known about Oganesson and it will probably be a while before it’s seriously studied. I am SOP-claiming in case it’s something SOP-claimable.
So... hmmm...
On the one hand, I want to just townread this because it's such a weird pull. I'm not familiar with Oganesson (it was only discovered in 2002 and in general any of the ones listed under the "unknown properties" section of the table is beyond my limited knowledge), but it's an odd part of the Table to grab from, especially if you're looking for a fake claim. There are probably 3 scum in this game so it's possible that one of them would just go for it rather than waiting to ask questions, but this doesn't seem obvious, nor does the whole "I discover my role 4 DPs in" aspect. It's weird that that's so delayed, but in a game with this many players, reaching DP4 is pretty likely.
On the other hand, I don't get this as an SOP claim. It's an unknown role, not an SOP one. Maybe this is just Thoth being extra cautious, or maybe this is him trying to give himself some towncred out the gate in hopes he'll avoid investigations. I don't like the decision, even if I kind of townread the claim itself.
I hadn’t considered the possibility he is lying. If he’s telling the truth, I think it says a bunch of stuff about the setup that it would probably be unwise to discuss…
no chance setup speculation is OGI. I ran my mod psych argument on the incentives of a DP4 activiating/revealed role by Pie, he said mod psych isn't OGI. So I doubt setup spec is OGI.
tbh, my mod psych there is a bit of setup spec, so you should be good if you think it would be beneficial to town
Mod psyche isn't OGI???
whiteflame wrote:
Thoth wrote:
Unknown could be SOP. Imagine how pissed people would be if I turned out to be Paranoid Gun Owner. And while y’all are at it, don’t put me at L-1 unless you intend to lynch me, on the off chance I am Hated.
I don't want to get too in the weeds about what your role could be if it activates by DP4 (I have a few ideas), but the idea that it's just a negative utility role waiting to activate a time in the game where it could dramatically shift the balance of the game doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Also, I'm not sure why you'd default to thinking it is negative utility, let alone something like PGO.
Also also, are you saying that your role is currently active and that you'll learn what it is by DP4 or that it will activate by DP4?
this post: I can see the town incentive and the scum incentive. both are kinda obvious
Not following you here
Thoth wrote:
Then why do they come to the synagogue lol
I suppose because they care more about being jewish and having a jewish connection than the entire god thing.
Thoth wrote:
Kohai wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
You should get a shabbos goy to hydra with.
I just noticed this post while catching up and I couldn't stop laughing
Does the Jewish community ostracize people who are born in Jewish households but don’t care about religious observations like Shabbat?
Unless you are super haredi, then no. I am not orthodox. In my synagogue we literally have people who are openly atheist.
RexFavilla wrote:
Kohai wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Like why not fake claim as a last resort if an actual wagon is building on you, and if you get ccd then whip out the inno child and explain it? Otherwise save it for later.
I may not be around to save myself
You should get a shabbos goy to hydra with.
I just noticed this post while catching up and I couldn't stop laughing
Mag1cman wrote:
i'd rather not kohai run shit
but if makes a good read all credit to him
I also really want to TR this post here.
Mag1cman wrote:
being able to clear notis is so nice
Thank you! It is something that has been requested a lot and I finally was able to do it. Codex has been a fucking godsend
Thoth wrote:
Re: #509. Good analysis like that is NAI from Mag1c. I see no reason to lean either way on him.
Fair
Lunatic
Shining
Banana
Magoroth
This is the group I'm really looking at right now.
Banana
p#295 - states they are catching up.
p#298 - agree with Banana on this.
p#299 - asks how 10 v 3 is town sided.
p#311 - sheeps lunatic and votes mago
p#312 - say's she's caught up
p#421, p#422 - finally something that isn't a one lner. Unvotes and then votes Bullish. This progression really bothers me.
p#448 - unvotes again and states they're trying to catch up (more than 2 hours ago).
A few things that strikes me about banana's ISO: The vast majority of her posts are simple 1 liners and her claiming she' catching up. I dislike the switch from mago to bullish. Banana's ISO feels so categorically different from Amber Mafia. In Amber mafia she at least made a decent effort and read list. I'm not seeing the same style of play
Behavior wise I think Mag1c is night and day from the game when we were scum together
Actually let me re think that
Poe (?)
Lunatic
Shining
Casey
Banana
Magoroth
Mag1cman wrote:
there's a lot people fluing under the radar
and tbh... Magoroth really is driving activity. i'ts not like scum magoroth
Bullish town by way of soft and Kohai lock town
So this is what I mean by scum just letting us drift toward those wagons:
1. There's definitely some scum hading among those less active, last game proved this pretty well and it's a consistent theme
2.Opportunism has been such a theme recently that scum would like to avoid opportunism by jumping on wagons that townies started
combine these two incentives together and we have a game where it's likely Rex and Magoroth are town, and town is just misreading while mafia lets people like Helz and others take the fall in the following DPs
I kinda want to town read mag1c for this post.
Out of the three main wagons if I had to vote one of them I’d vote mag
Helz wrote:
Im borderline vote parking.
Will re-evaluate when I get back but gotta do this podcast thing I forgot I agreed to do for an hour or so.
Really though. I would love to hear how anyone can look at Rex's thought process and connect dots. It pings me quite a bit and should be discussed. Their position they should be town read from blank RVS votes and such was awful and they keep doubling down with nonsensical reasoning that screams agenda.
Who should the second wagon be?
Do you think Rex is mafia or 3P
UNVOTE
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