Kohai

Helz wrote:

I can only say that I do not at all understand cutting Rex and Bullish from that pool.

Thats two positions that I would put miles ahead of names like Banana, Shining, Casey, Lunatic. Your throwing in absolute neutrals over players actively scum read with solid reasoning and I think you should consider as much. Thats my 2 cents

I’m not counting them out as potential scum. I am saying that these two probably should not be the lynch for today.

Bullish - I do town read him openly claiming his character like that.

Rex - Again I mentioned that I do think that he may have genuinely town slipped.

Kinda want to see a Shinning / Mago wagon.

VTL: Shining

I’m getting dinner and will be back soon. I kinda want to go here and pressure the is slot. I haven’t really seen them do much.

Helz wrote:

Kohai wrote:

Kinda want to clear Bullish, or at least put him in my "do not lynch today" column.

POE that I'm looking at today:

Lunatic

Shining

Casey

Banana

Mag1cman

Magoroth

Helz

I think you should take your mantel as confirmed town and run shit. Listen to the advice you are given and ask for it but you made the decision to be the D1 confirmed town and need to control the direction of the elimination imo.

I’m still getting caught up from Shabbat / Shavuot.

I am still working on an analysis.

I agree with you that town should have a clear wagon and CW

I don't think Rex should be the lynch today. The more I think about it the more I'm agreeing with Thoth that p#169 does seem like a town slip

Kinda want to clear Bullish, or at least put him in my "do not lynch today" column.

POE that I'm looking at today:

Lunatic

Shining

Casey

Banana

Mag1cman

Magoroth

Helz

Bullish wrote:

Kohai wrote:

You seem to be tunneling Magoroth very hard. Can you explain the reasons for your scum read on them?

It was just gut at the beginning.

However his "frustration" at being scumread seems fake. He has expressed this multiple times this day phase (#77, #140, #164, #424) and none of those times seemed genuine.

In this post #164 he says "if I was scum, I would be so annoyed by this statement lol". That's a scum slip. He's obviously annoyed right now. Town wouldn't feel the need to say "if I was scum".

He puts Mikal and Magic in his scum pile here #265 and here #280 but does not vote them.

Good points

There's also this one #321. This is one only I would know about. I am cesium, the element used in atomic clocks. I soft claimed in my first post. The way he said "indeed" sounds like he's setting up for a cesium claim. I asked him to character claim at the same time and he refused. There's no good reason to refuse, we are the leading wagons with less than 24 hrs left in the DP, and characters do not seem to connect to roles closely.

I don't think there was any need to claim here and I don't see that as setting up a cesium claim. I see the exchange more like him mocking pie for pushing people into getting night actions in early.

Claims list:

Claims:

Thoth- Oganesson- Hidden role until dp4 (post 4, dp1)

Kohai- ??? - Innocent child (Post 178, dp1)

Bullish -?? - cesium - ??

Unclaimed:

Lunatic

RexFavilla

Shining

Mikal

Casey

Banana

Whiteflame

Mag1cMan

Magoroth

Helz

Helz wrote:

Kohai wrote:

I really do not want to lynch Thoth this dp

Who is your focus?

I want to look at Bullish and Mag a bit more and will ISO them some more. They are almost certianly not w/w but I wouldn't be surprised if they are dif checks

I really do not want to lynch Thoth this dp

Helz wrote:

Kohai wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

I don't fault Mikal for being honest about his read, I fault Thoth for PMing him outside the game to talk about it which is extremely banned in any mafia game.

Im entertaining a Mikal/Helz scum team because this OGI slapfight seems like something a scum team would use to distance with no danger of actually lynching the other player. Does it feel a bit contrived to anyone else?

I doubt w!Mikal clears thoth like that.

I am suspicious of Helz

Well ask me anything. I am working on a readwall and we should be locking into EOD targets

Who is your biggest SR and why? I see you are currently on Rex. Who would be your second choice for lynch?

Bullish wrote:

Kohai wrote:

Bullish wrote:

Mikal wants to lynch me, and since you hate him you should go against him by voting mago

I really dislike this post

Playing mafia isn't just about scum hunting, it's also sometimes about being a politician.

Why should I vote mag?

Bullish ISO Review

p#73 - votes Magoroth because they are scummy; however they never explain why they are scummy or the reasoning behind their reads.

p#143 - Do you think Mago could be over compensating?

At this point I feel like Bullish is tunneling Magoroth.

p#336 - FTR I am also not opposed to a mass character claim. I think this could benefit us greatly if anything to try and uncover the theme split or if someone tries and claims my character

Bullish,

You seem to be tunneling Magoroth very hard. Can you explain the reasons for your scum read on them?

RexFavilla wrote:

I don't fault Mikal for being honest about his read, I fault Thoth for PMing him outside the game to talk about it which is extremely banned in any mafia game.

Im entertaining a Mikal/Helz scum team because this OGI slapfight seems like something a scum team would use to distance with no danger of actually lynching the other player. Does it feel a bit contrived to anyone else?

I doubt w!Mikal clears thoth like that.

I am suspicious of Helz

Bullish wrote:

Mikal wants to lynch me, and since you hate him you should go against him by voting mago

I really dislike this post

I’m here and catching up.

Mikal wrote:

I aint bullshitting reads to appease you or anyone. I got a discord message from thoth and yes that is going to impact how I see him. Not going to fabricate some retarded reason to townread when I've been saying hes scummy. He basically townslipped outside of the game. Cry me a river.

In this case Thoth should be modkilled

Bullish wrote:

Some of my posts I made before I completely caught up. My read on Rex has shifted back and forth, I'm currently null on him.

Same honestly

Mikal wrote:

I dislike that thoth is posting in discord and not engaging on here to questions being asked to him

Really? More OGI

RexFavilla wrote:

Mikal wrote:

I dislike that thoth is posting in discord and not engaging on here to questions being asked to him

True

Unvote

VTL Thoth

Remember to include a : or the bot won't recognize it.

UNVOTE

for now

Popping in for a minute. Just wanted to reply to a few things.

Mikal wrote:

Looks like not much is new.

Kohai being confirmed is a god send. He always plays so bad that having that confirmed at least stops me from death tunneling him when he inevitably plays like shit. FYI if you used that off the rip and chose to activate it. You are so dumb lol

Honestly this is part of the reason why I decided to claim early. I didn’t want to have another nasty fight with you. I wanted to deny scum an easy D1 mislynch / mispush.

There is a strong case to be made that I should have waited until I was pushed. The problems with that as I had already mentioned; 1) I may not be around to save myself; 2) I just made town waste half a day phase pushing me when I could have saved them a shit ton of time and effort.

Side note: I will admit that I am not the strongest player. I’ve played truly awful games but have also played some very decent ones. As most of you all know I am autistic and this has always been a challenge for me in mafia. I have hard times interacting with people, knowing how to fully express a read, and knownijg when to jump into a conversation. That gets me in trouble far more often than not.

Until more is said. Still in the same spot. Thoth bugs me cus mostly fluff posting and I have a hard gut check on mag and wf as town.

I agree with an early town lean on wf. Thoth I have no clue how to read.

Want to hear more from Connor and others.

Who’s Connor?

Shinning entrance seems also scummy but same as kohai I struggle reading him. He usually posts so little. Its hard to get a read and he always dies and is town. while I hate his entry. Trauma is coming to mind lol

Shinning is also very hard to read

Popping in for a minute. Just wanted to reply to a few things.

Mikal wrote:

Looks like not much is new.

Kohai being confirmed is a god send. He always plays so bad that having that confirmed at least stops me from death tunneling him when he inevitably plays like shit. FYI if you used that off the rip and chose to activate it. You are so dumb lol

Honestly this is part of the reason why I decided to claim early. I didn’t want to have another nasty fight with you. I wanted to deny scum an easy D1 mislynch / mispush.

There is a strong case to be made that I should have waited until I was pushed. The problems with that as I had already mentioned; 1) I may not be around to save myself; 2) I just made town waste half a day phase pushing me when I could have saved them a shit ton of time and effort.

Side note: I will admit that I am not the strongest player. I’ve played truly awful games but have also played some very decent ones. As most of you all know I am autistic and this has always been a challenge for me in mafia. I have hard times interacting with people, knowing how to fully express a read, and knownijg when to jump into a conversation. That gets me in trouble far more often than not.

Until more is said. Still in the same spot. Thoth bugs me cus mostly fluff posting and I have a hard gut check on mag and wf as town.

I agree with an early town lean on wf. Thoth I have no clue how to read.

Want to hear more from Connor and others.

Who’s Connor?

Shinning entrance seems also scummy but same as kohai I struggle reading him. He usually posts so little. Its hard to get a read and he always dies and is town. while I hate his entry. Trauma is coming to mind lol

Shinning is also very hard to read

RexFavilla wrote:

Like why not fake claim as a last resort if an actual wagon is building on you, and if you get ccd then whip out the inno child and explain it? Otherwise save it for later.

I may not be around to save myself

whiteflame wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Attention:

Kohai is the Innocent Child. He is Town.

I get wanting to take attention off of you for the purposes of focusing the DP, but it was a waste to out this so soon. I think there would’ve been little risk from developing a wagon and using that to get some reads on the people who joined and their reasons for doing so. Not often we get a role that can be instantly town confirmed.

Fair. Though Shavuot is about to start and I will be awol (I promise I am actually gonna try and not post over the Yom tov)

Casey_Risk wrote:

Thoth wrote:

I don’t think speculating about theme splits will be productive until we see at least one flip, maybe more than one. There are too many plausible ones.

I agree fwiw, theme split analysis without at least one flip rarely, if ever, benefits the town

Perhaos we could claim if we are a metal or a gas

Thoth wrote:

My current townreads are whiteflame, Rex, and obviously Kohai. Mikal and Magoroth have been pinging my gutradar in the negative direction. Everyone else is null.

I have zero idea on how to read Mikal

Thoth wrote:

Oh welp maybe the innocent child can claim whenever they want with this mod

It was day specific in the maga mafia game.

Mikal wrote:

Scummy because it seems similar to innocent child? Not following. That is one of the only roles that activates at a certain day. Would not put it past pie to do custom roles but there are heavy similarities.

Pretty sure IC can claim anytime they want

Thoth wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Damn Pie gave him a doctor fakeclaim. Not falling for that one, bucko.

I am mildly townslipreading this since the OP says that scum are given questions rather than handed fake-claims on an Ag platter.

Interesting point actually