My problem with the recap in #27 is that there are so many, and I have disagreements and nuanced view on perhaps 'all of them.
My problem with the recap in #27 is that there are so many, and I have disagreements and nuanced view on perhaps 'all of them.
https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3033&context=dlj
https://www.cato.org/commentary/barack-obamas-war-free-press
I sometimes find Public Social Media Accounts odd,
Non anonymous accounts I mean.
Especially when I hear of people being in hot water for something they said online, why take the risk?
Most people maybe, aren't islands in themselves, we kind of 'depend on the good will of others.
Sure one doesn't get punched in the face,
But losing one's job or a a business opportunity 'hurts I'd imagine.
. . . Well it's a less immediate and less common response maybe.
. . . . . . Though, I'm not sure people get punched in the face for rude comments made in real life, all that often.
I also don't really get criminals who leave 'such 'obvious online activity.
. . Course some fall into it slowly, bit by bit I imagine, frog boiling in water. Taking actions to hide presence doesn't occur to them until later maybe.
Course maybe it's harder to hide one's presence, than it seems at first glance.
. . .
. . . One could hide it from 'ordinary people and news outlets easy enough I'd think.
Just buy a laptop with cash, and only ever use it in places with public WiFi like a public library.
Government though, could still maybe find you though, cameras everywhere, just watch who went into the library at X times at X dates.
I sometimes think it would be nice to live in a 'highly 'more controlled society,
But for me it would 'have to be voluntary and leave-able.
I sometimes think the state should manufacture various products such as cars and computers,
Maximize them for efficiency, long lasting, and recyclability of parts.
. . .
But then again, what if the government is ass?
Panders to companies, cuts corners, insists on no competition?
What if the government like companies 'wants people to have to keep upgrading?
Or claims people don't 'own their computers and cars?
. . .
Consumer wise, I'm not 'too worried about Cars, refrigerators, window glass, and computers.
I think people 'tend to realize when a company sells carp.
Ideally the company gets destroyed by the free market?
"Within the scope of the show, though, you can't let someone who's proven themselves capable of murder just go free because they got what they wanted and are no longer planning another murder." Wryly
I think the only episode I remember Columbo letting someone go, was some older lady with dementia, who was going to die of some other disease in a few weeks or so.
I suppose one 'would want to at least 'record the fact that someone murdered.
In case they were to do it again.
. . . I 'think that 'many people are capable of murder though,
Just need a slight push of situation.
When that situation or person is removed, no longer any likelihood of murder than any other person.
Revenge killings by parents for instance, unless they have another child murdered by someone, unlikely to kill again.
I don't think the "Left" killed Charlie Kirk, but I don't really agree with the claims that the "Right" killed Charlie Kirk either.
The divisive state of politics doesn't seem ideal, but I don't think a clear causation can be seen with it and Charlie Kirks death.
Watching some episodes of Columbo.
Musing on the benefit of catching some of the suspects.
. .
'Why do we care about catching criminals?
. . . The answer I've tended on for a few years, is to prevent future crime.
Whether by the individual, or to prevent others from being inspired.
. .
But many of the murders in Columbo, are unlikely to result in another murder.
Whether by the murderer, or society at large.
Often the murders are disguised as accidents until Columbo manages to eventually unravel the mystery.
. . .
Arguably society is 'damaged 'more by holding some of the murderers accountable.
Tax money spent to prosecute and imprison,
The individual is no longer taxed, and is removed from a productive job in society.
. . Society at large hears of another crime, Hm, is there benefit in society seeing how good the police are, or is there fear of copycats thinking they could do better.
. . . Consequential thinking though, doesn't quite fall in line with the 'Revenge Concept of Justice, personal retribution.
. . I do have a harder time telling 'others to forget, than myself. Though, I have yet to suffer 'Great injustice, so hard to say.
Though I am not 'terribly found of Revenge, Retribution, as something to extoll.
Well, I think the common sense solution is just that humans often hold paradoxical views, values, virtues, vices.
“People find it hard to accept the idea that one man can be two things."
- Jack Rackham, Black Sails
. . .
Born or not, I imagine a fetus is still of one's own blood.
Course, an illegal immigrants fetus is not of one's own blood,
But then the fetus did not break the law.
Illegal immigrants who are children, kind of did not break the law as well I suppose.
Brought 'by their parents,
Or not tried as adults, as it goes.
But still, ICE gives them less rights than American Citizens I imagine.
. . .
Another view ICE supporters might hold is necessity and other side breaking rules first.
War as an example, one does not always have the facilities or enough soldiers to guard enemies who attempt to surrender.
. . . What options are had then,
Refusals to accept surrender, summery executions,
Refusals to accept surrender, refusal to give safety, forced back into arms of their own militaries, summery executions.
. . . German submarine, would like to give warnings or take prisoners, but the ships open fire or airplanes attack the ships attempting to tow people to safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident
. . .
I think Groups often Dehumanize the Other.
In fact, anytime Greek culture represented men with a large phallus, they were either monsters, barbarians or rapists. Deeply inhabited by an animalistic nature.
https://paulsolvingproblems.substack.com/p/why-did-greek-statues-have-small
Also the Romans towards outsiders later on,
Gauls, Celts, and 'whatever 'Others they were fighting, I'd imagine.
I'm sure there is often a dualism, claim the Other is some brute animal, only capable of physical work, driven by animal instincts.
But some people also like manly primitive violence at times.
Try to have their cake and eat it too.
. . .
Look at how Brits or Americans might have viewed the Irish during times of conflict.
https://thomasnastcartoons.com/irish-catholic-cartoons/irish-stereotype
. . .
Look at Africa or Europe, doesn't 'need to be another color.
In history, plenty of white on white racism, plenty of black on black racism.
If one sees 10 shades of of a color next to each other, they'll see the differences.
If they see 10 shades of a color next to other colors, they'll not notice the shades of colors as much as the other colors.
Red and light red, one see's different reds.
Red and light red next to blue and light blue, one sees red and blue.
Maybe.
Ethnic Pygmy populations in Central Africa have suffered from racialized discrimination from Bantu peoples.[1] They are frequently ostracized from participation in wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[1] Racially-motivated attacks have occurred on Pygmies including rape and cannibalization.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Africa
Historically, the Shanqella constituted most of the slave labour in the ruling local Afro-Asiatic societies.[20] The Abyssinians (Habesha highlanders) were also noted as having actively hunted the Shanqella during the 19th century.[21] Following the abolition of the slave trade in the 1940s, the freed Shanqella and barya were typically employed as unskilled labour.[20] Racial discrimination against the barya or Shanqella communities in Ethiopia still exists, affecting access to political and social opportunities and resources.[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Africa
I think lines exist for Free Speech,
. . . I don't think saying something was good after the fact is illegal.
Explicitly planning or telling people to commit more assassinations, might be illegal.
I don't know, bit gray.
https://www.robertreeveslaw.com/blog/assassination-threats
I think Inciting is different than appreciation.
Course 'how 'much is incitement?
How much blame can you give an ordinary person with a small voice, compared to important person with sway, whether legal or social?
https://www.stlamerican.com/news/local-news/ferguson-activist-charged-with-inciting-a-riot-via-facebook-posts
Ferguson activist charged with inciting a riot via Facebook posts
Jobs are a bit different.
https://www.bernabeipllc.com/articles/can-my-employer-discipline-me-for-what-i-say-on-social-media
If denying the Holocaust and preaching racial separation and hate isn't illegal. . .
"In the United States, where the First Amendment to the Constitution ensures freedom of speech, it is not against the law to deny the Holocaust or to propagate Nazi and antisemitic hate speech."
https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/teaching-about-antisemitism/educational-modules-based-on-audio-podcasts/holocaust-denial-and-hate-speech
. . . I don't imagine it is illegal for people to say the Holocaust was good.
I think it's illegal to plan another, or tell someone else to commit another.
Joke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KivCRqfFcqY
WKYK It's Illegal to Say
@Mal
I'm not sure that taxes are theft, any more than the law is forced compliance.
Which it is,
And maybe isn't, in ways.
Too bad people can't 'choose where their tax money goes.
. . .
@Rambling
I think theft has kind of a different definition,
Well, of course it does,
Highway Robbery, Governmental Tax,
Robin Hood or a Dastardly Outlaw,
Robber Barons,
Assumptions learned or innate, on what is right.
Degrees of punch vs push.
@NobodyInParticular
I sometimes think for an ideal country, there would be a coming of age ceremony,
Where one either declares an oath of loyalty, or goes their own way.
. . . Ideally there would be somewhere for them to go 'to, but there are people just about everywhere, and humans have a way of duplicating into other humans, when a mass of them are someplace.
Could sterilize people I suppose, before shipping them off to some vast continent, or single island,
But I don't think that's what people would want,
And there's 'always laws, where there are other people, whether they are declared or not.
Natural laws, implicit socially understood laws.
Could 'remain in their country of origin I suppose,
Perhaps lacking various privileges and rights. Though not 'without rights.
Starship Troopers, difference between a Civilian and a Citizen.
Even if we were all the same skin color, people would find other physical differences,
Face shapes, hair texture, height.
People 'already do and have discriminated race by more than just color, I'd say.
I imagine some knowledge ought not be known,
As to know it, is to be tempted to preform it.
I imagine some knowledge requires constant connection,
Else it is no longer known or remembered.
Not 'purely and truly,
Instead, once no longer experienced, it is only 'partially known.
To know some things, maybe requires one to 'be some things.
Well, maybe we'll get lucky with this assassination (Charlie Kirk)
If the assassin can't be shoehorned into a normal Left vs Right dynamic,
And the jumping the gun on blame, Us vs Them on display this time around,
Hopefully even in future events, cooler heads shall prevail first.
If it 'had been some major obvious Leftist, makes me a bit nervous how many people and how much jumped the gun on blame.
Don't want a back and forth of violence.
I vaguely remember movies set in Civil Rights Era, this race gets killed, riots, that race gets killed riots, back and forth, back and forth.
. . . One sees such with 'gangs maybe, I suppose.
. . .
I'm still pretty doubtful on any modern America Civil War though.
The groups seem too ill defined and porous, mixed together, lacking in geographical strongholds.
. . .
. . . I still wonder if we aren't entering a new fad of killing though.
Never studied the subject much.
But I don't think there were so many school killings X many years ago,
Some people claim the post office killings, the serial killer killing eras have passed by a bit.
. . . Though I imagine post offices changed carious policies,
And technology and methods now allow police to catch serial killers quicker,
. . . So maybe they weren't 'fads, so much as the causes have been removed, snuffed quicker.
I think I'd find mass numbers of political killings more inconvenient for effects it would have on society at large.
Probably a lot of stupid reasons for the killings too, also annoying.
But I've also long found school killings annoying, what they heck are they targeting 'schools for?
Not that I think it's valid to kill politicians, but at least I can understand the reasoning better.
. . . How does one blame little kids for anything?
. . .
Riots in front of government buildings annoys me less than riots in communities.
Though they're still often stupid.
Out of curiosity, do you think of Canadian provinces and territories as mini-tribes?
America, I think after the Civil War, individual States lost a lot of power and identity, in favor of the greater Union.
. . .
I think some states do tend towards certain demographics and politics, but even then, I think they are very mixed.
To me they seem too 'porous,
Tribes and Nations to my thinking, require deeper 'roots for such titles. Laws, Identity, Crystalized and Solid Ingroup.
Most Americans 'easily relocate I think, The 'American Tribe 'far outweighing the State Tribe.
. . . Course 'some people are very State minded, but even in places such as Texas, I don't 'think they are majorities in their states.
. . .
Israel had a number of Tribes as I recall. All under the Greater state of Israel, but the Israel Tribes were more solid, than Modern American tribes I'd assume.
. . .
American States, eh, even Utah and the Mormons, my assumption is they see themselves as Mormons more than the people of Utah, Americans, more than the people of Utah,
Though maybe they think of Utah as theirs, lot of Mormons there. Maybe half the state is Mormon, which 'is a lot, but when half 'isn't Mormon, the idea of Utah as a single Tribe loses out for me.
"Kamala is black and a woman, the majority of this country are too racist and/or misogynist to vote for a black woman, it's as simple as that." #15
Oh I don't know, depends on the Black woman.
Condoleezza Rice could be electable.
George W Bush voted for Condoleezza Rice I hear.
And if she and Harris ran at the same time, I 'really doubt a third party would be elected.
. . .
Besides, Harris 'could have won, there were other factors that her sex and race.
Entered the race late, not too visible vice presidency, economy at the time, claimed she would do everything the same as Biden, wasn't particularly charismatic I thought.
I don't know,
I imagine humans are all people of many parts.
Some books we think more on, others we forget, even if they were a slight push to a good or bad view.
Still. . . I would say Grendel by John Gardner.
I've never read it again since High School, but I think on it from time to time.
I think it was a push towards my later Nihilism and Atheism.
But ends are often made of many means.
. . .
I sometimes think of Drummer Hoff by Barbara and Ed Emberley
(Kids book, mostly pictures)
But that is more looking back on, than was pushed by.
As a kid I enjoyed The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein.
My Dad bought a copy and wrote something in it, what? I forget, he gave it to my Mom when they got married I think.
He burned it, when she divorced him.
I recall as a kid, reading the Redwall series by Brian Jacques.
The Animorphs series by Katherine Applegate.
I didn't care for the ending, shall not reread them I think. . . Pity, there were 'some of them I liked, but there was a lot I also 'disliked other than the ending.
In High School on my own, I read The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky,
But I think it mostly went over my head.
Haven't read it since, or thought on it much since I 'think. Such a large book it was for me.
I forget when I read Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky, but I thought on it often for some years.
In my mid 20s I think, I read The Sea Wolf by Jack London, did not influence me towards views, so much as reinforce existing views of Nihilism, Atheist, Selfishness, 'Life.
I enjoyed Catch 22 by Joseph Heller the second time I read it in my mid 20s,
I didn't enjoy it when I was forced to read it in High School.
I don't think it 'influenced me 'particularly.
Sometime in my teens I think? Mission Earth (novel series) by L. Ron Hubbard, was a pile of carp, and I didn't care for the ending.
Hated so much about that series, but I was curious of the fate in store for Soltan Gris.
Ah, poor Soltan Gris.
. . .
I forget when I read it first, but I enjoyed Les Miserables by Victor Hugo, find it worth rereading, thinking on.
. . .
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey, required reading at 'some point in School I think.
Had 'some sort of effect I suspect, but nothing exact comes to mind.
If any effect, I'm doubtful it was a positive influence.
Same with Lord of the Flies by William Golding.
Why had so many books required as reading in school, had to include such suffering and misery, negative view of life?
. . . Or uncomfortable descriptions of sex.
I really think humans ought have more self monitoring installed in/beside them in life.
Hard to 'know oneself, if one forgets who/what/when/where/why one has been.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2znzgwj3xo
World's first AI minister will eliminate corruption, says Albania's PM
Well, maybe better than a horse as consul I suppose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitatus
"A horse is a horse, of course, of course, and no one can talk to a horse, of course." That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Ed."
Who did it might impact how politics and society responds.
. . .
Also, I have to ask, are you doing a bit?
Always with all the Americans, Americans, Americans, I mean.
. . .
Pot says what?
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-canadians-celebrating-charlie-kirks-assassination-may-be-banned-from-u-s
Not that I'm saying such Canadians should be banned,
. . . But I don't know where a lot of Reddit users are from,
I don't know how many Canadians cheer.
Not to mention how many comments and threads might get deleted.
https://researchco.ca/2024/01/10/social-media-canada-2
Eh, one would expect Americans to talk about it more and care more one way or another than Canadians. (Shrug)
Well, Free Speech is greater in America I have heard.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/users-reeling-feeling-sick-and-frustrated-after-facebook-and-instagram-accounts-deleted-without-cause-or-recourse
Who is Tyler Robinson, the suspect in custody for shooting Charlie Kirk?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8wl2y66p9o
I've sometimes wondered about serial killings and school shootings as fads,
After Luigi killed the CEO, I idly wondered whether a fad of killing more visible members of American society would occur more often.
I don't 'think it has yet, and maybe it won't.
If it doesn't well, what happens now is the same old what has happened before when people have been killed,
Talked about in the news, social media, used as political tool,
Ideally though, the Right doesn't burn down various parts of their community in protest.
Generally I just assume there are explanations for various events, other than UFOs.
A family member tried getting me to read Imminent by Luis Elizondo, I just couldn't get very far into it. I found the claims of mind powers absurd.
I'm not really following any government talks on UFOs.
@NobodyInParticular on post #4 video
"George T. Knapp is an American journalist, news anchor and talk radio host. Much of his work has focused on the paranormal, particularly UFOs."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Knapp_(television_journalist)
I suppose that is an advantage when using well recognized individuals for profile pictures.
. . . Though the thought to speak the words in the voice of someone's profile picture doesn't often occur to me, until someone reminds me of the idea of doing such.
I wonder if most deaths are ironic?
Hm, possibly only most untimely deaths are ironic?
I've heard it said that comedy is tragedy plus time.
People of a deceased individuals tribe, probably prefer a bit more time than jokes before body is even cold.
Internet technology Era is weird maybe.
Some say people wear masks on the web.
Some say people are unmasked on the web.
Some people say there are more bots than people.
Some people say foreign nation influencer bots abound.
People often find the Darwin Award deaths funny,
Though I am not saying Charlie Kirks death was a Darwin Award.
I am commenting on peoples ability to laugh at deaths.
Even Holocaust receives humor, Seinfeld Episode Shidler's List, Larry David 'multiple episodes on subject.
Course one can argue they are Jewish, and one can argue a lot of time has passed, can argue there are 'types of humor. Some humor seeming more mocking opportunity than good natured humor.
Board game with sound effects and AI.
Probably already exist, but I still like the idea.
. . . Having the board move in 'response would be harder I'd imagine,
Easier if the board could just 'recognize what was happening, and tell you what to move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2tD9G_KRCM
Excalibur Ivan the Terrible Electronic Talking Chess Game With Coaching and Sound Effects
Hm, though maybe assassination is not the right term to use for Charlie Kirk killing.
I would think that the higher a population is, the more often high profile people might be killed.
Society is pyramidal at times,
Lets say 1 in 10 people is crazy fame killer seeker,
10 in 100,
100 in 1000 and so on.
100000 of 1 million.
Pyramidal, there is only 1 president, there is only 10 top ten X people at a time.
@linate #1
I've never read or watched much about the guy,
Theoretically and glancing at his Wikipedia page, he 'could have been all three.
Maybe he was 'just a patriot and man of God.
@Shoresy #2
October Crisis in Canada was interesting to read about, but that was some 50 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis
Been 'some other deaths, but I assume there's still more political killings in America.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-political-violence-history-1.7263356
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardeep_Singh_Nijjar
@RexFavilla #3
Mid-Day News 2 - SNL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS2eytYuE4s
Some people say the killing is political, but it's hard to tell with killers, some of them are depressed, crazy, or fame seekers.
The guy who shot Trumps ear for instance, apparently searched up locations of various politicians in 'either party.
@Misterio #6
One doesn't need a gun to kill people, there are many methods,
Myself I don't understand other people's fear of gun violence.
@FLRW #7
If an individual prays for their sins to be forgiven, and another prays for that individuals sins 'not to be forgiven. . .
You think you'll trap God in a paradox?
There's a lot of self importance, pettiness, in the idea, that anything you pray for, 'ought be granted.
With how old this universe seems to be, and the importance religious individuals lay upon the 'after, upon the 'immortality of souls. . .
In my view,
Prayer, 'is a way of being connected with God,
Of finding strength 'through him, and that connection,
Of being 'aware of reality and what is, by meditation upon it,
Of oneself, others about oneself, near and far,
What one is doing and not doing,
Of being aware of 'more, than this material world,
In our thoughts of a situation, viewing it from angles, we might find peace, or a view which escaped us before prayer,
Of spiritual discipline, and knowledge of higher value,
It's calming effect, in our connection,
In celebration,
In acknowledgement,
In that it provides support, in difficult times, as a babe might cry, in hopes of their worries and concerns being allieved, though they know not the world, or the parent's plan.
Of hope,
Of affirmation, that our 'own plans might be in Gods plan, or that by grace, by support, by 'faith in him, that we succeed.
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions."
Karl Marx
@Vader #14
@Moozer325 #15
@bubbatheclown #21
I sometimes muse about the utility of assassination as a tool.
From what I've read, the Assassin of Shinzo Abe was 'wildly successful in their aims against Unification Church.
John Wilkes Booth's actions didn't save the Confederacy, but one could argue a mix of the Vice President being soft on Reconstruction, and the Radicals after being harsh, allowed Southern Whites to mobilize laws and society to their benefit for a time.
Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination, the spark of a World War,
Though maybe 'something would have sparked it eventually.
Some people claim the Allies stopped trying to kill Hitler at a certain point, as they thought his leadership was harming Germany more than Helping it in the war.
. . .
Japan had an interesting period of time 'full of political assassinations, I've heard.
. . .
Can't say assassination generally looks ideal to me,
Results often uncertain, can backfire.
. . . I suppose it would be 'most useful against someone significantly weaker than oneself,
But if they are equal or stronger, they can assassinate you equally or worse.
Dysfunctional society, lot not working.
. . . There's a reason for laws such as Weregilds or Eye for an Eye.
Has Luigi's act of assassination 'achieved anything?
Unsure if it has,
Maybe it 'would have if he or others had 'kept killing,
Maybe there was a chance the singular act would highlight and change part of society as Shinzo killer did.
But normalizing assassination, just doesn't seem ideal to me.
I could see someone making a female Tarzan movie.
They did a female Ghostbusters a bit ago, though I don't know if it was a reboot or a continuation.
Sandlot remake/sequel had a girl.
I'm not sure about them being sequels or remakes, because I don't usually watch such.
With AI, I imagine average people might end up making movies of various casting choices.
I wonder how much work does the Federal Government 'needs do,
Why fund this or that, why not just give the money back to the taxpayer with the understanding that they can invest it as they think right.
"A school voucher, also called an education voucher, is a certificate of government funding for students at a chosen school. Funding is usually for a particular year, term, or semester. Depending on jurisdiction, a voucher may be used for home schooling expenses or exclusively for private schools, charter schools, or publicly-funded schools."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_voucher
Ah, already kind of a thing I guess.
So, how do justice, tranquility, common defense, general welfare, and the blessings of liberty achieve "a more perfect union?"
Well, maybe some people think a better union of states 'contains such.
People often like justice, peace, ability to defend themselves, public safety, and liberty.
General welfare for instance,
"After the Great Fire of London of 1666, it was realised how much the traditional construction of buildings had aided the spread of the fire, with the close proximity of buildings and the incendiary nature of building material such as timber and thatch fuelling the fire.[3] Several acts of Parliament over the next century attempted to improve building regulations"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Act_1774
The laws of a society can make it better or worse.
Though better and worse is subjective.
People more willing to be part of a Union if there is Justice and fairness, less cause for war when rules are fair and just.