Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 9:24 AM (post #372)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 11:23 AM (post #368)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 9:23 AM (post #366)
UNVOTE
VTL: RexFavilla
honestly probably our only option at this point.
Pie is an option.
if I vote Pie, he’s basically L-1… who would hammer?
Kohai or he is scum.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 9:17 AM (post #352)
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/28/2026 at 10:15 AM (post #350)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 28/08/2026 at 17:11 (post #338)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #334)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #331)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 10:08 AM (post #328)
The only people Pie doesn’t townread are the inactives. So I see the idea th at Pie’s dealing with typical scum problem of having ahard time coming up with convincing scumreads bc he knows everyone else is town. But that’s a circular reasoning that assumes he wouldn’t be scumreading the inactives if they showed up, which presupposes he’s scum.
The bigger issue is the lack of a push on Kohai despite declared intent to do so after moving on from Thoth. Pie lmk if you have an additional reason to townread Kohai but from I gleaned its vibes + pity. Vibes is weak and don’t see you as the type to pity someone to point of not pressuring. You’ve always been an “it’s just business” type of guy, so even if you pity someone you’d still pressure if they’ve been a problem for you.
He claimed to be confirmable. Which reminds me that he hasn’t answered whether he’s role or affiliation
ok
that satisfies me on the lower part
im tempted to Cfd Mago bc it feels like his scum meta
I would rather die than claim so that is not gonna happen
Oh look, another person refusing to claim even if he got to L-1.
piE iS sTILl ScUM. hoLD hIm tO the sTaNDArD
Difference is, hes not even a valid target with 15 minutes left of the day phase, its not even realistic to pressure him. You had all night and morning.
If pie flips scum and you vote him, you might be able to buy yourself some town cred. Hint hint, nudge nudge.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 8/28/2026 at 9:14 AM (post #347)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 11:11 AM (post #340)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 11:11 AM (post #338)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #334)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #331)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 10:08 AM (post #328)
The only people Pie doesn’t townread are the inactives. So I see the idea th at Pie’s dealing with typical scum problem of having ahard time coming up with convincing scumreads bc he knows everyone else is town. But that’s a circular reasoning that assumes he wouldn’t be scumreading the inactives if they showed up, which presupposes he’s scum.
The bigger issue is the lack of a push on Kohai despite declared intent to do so after moving on from Thoth. Pie lmk if you have an additional reason to townread Kohai but from I gleaned its vibes + pity. Vibes is weak and don’t see you as the type to pity someone to point of not pressuring. You’ve always been an “it’s just business” type of guy, so even if you pity someone you’d still pressure if they’ve been a problem for you.
He claimed to be confirmable. Which reminds me that he hasn’t answered whether he’s role or affiliation
ok
that satisfies me on the lower part
im tempted to Cfd Mago bc it feels like his scum meta
if we’re gambling inactives
We have 15 mins to make up our minds
15 minutes for you to vote pie.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #341)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 10:10 AM (post #333)
I've never known pie to pity his victims. If he thinks someone is scum he pushes them ruthlessly and calls them retarded ten times in the process lol.
You don’t have to take my word for it. Go read the last two games and see if I did the same thing to Kohai. Believe it or not, I am human, and Indint want to scare away players either
The last game you barely made 30 posts, I don't think you were in the game enough to even have coherent thoughts about it.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 9:10 AM (post #335)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #330)
So Jade is the dude that thought the whole town was a conspiracy or something and that he was in an escape room for like half the season. He was the dude that everyone hated. I don't see why this character would be so town that pie would need to wait to L-1 to claim it.
It said he’s one of the main characters when I read the wiki
Why are you reading the wiki instead of your own role pm?
How is Tabitha confirmable?
I've never known pie to pity his victims. If he thinks someone is scum he pushes them ruthlessly and calls them retarded ten times in the process lol.
So Jade is the dude that thought the whole town was a conspiracy or something and that he was in an escape room for like half the season. He was the dude that everyone hated. I don't see why this character would be so town that pie would need to wait to L-1 to claim it.
Any reason for the claim? I am for it, just curious since it seemed very random. You weren't the focus of attention here.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 8/28/2026 at 8:59 AM (post #306)
alright I’m on lunch break and gonna catch up and throw out some thoughts.
Pie / Luna just reeks of t/t violence. This toxic back and forth is not helping anyone and is making the game un fun.
It's not that toxic bud. We haven't even called each other names yet.
I’ll also add that Pie feels behaviorally different from the last few scum games. In the blood on the clock tower game he was much less tunneling and more cautious with his reads and progressions.
Regarding pie’s behavior: I’ve seen him get in far worse tunnels as town such as in Amber mafia where is tunnel on banana was so bad that he got jailed and executed n1.
Thoth - I dislike how he completely disappeared from the thread after claiming Pr
Mag - I don’t like how he’s been lurking
Rex - A complete liability right now. Town lost the last game because of how inactive he was.
I’ll also just character claim to help things moving. I am Tabitha Matthews
If pie flips scum you are definitely his scum buddy lol
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 8:55 AM (post #296)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 10:44 AM (post #291)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 8:41 AM (post #285)
VTL: RexFavilla
Do you have significant reason to town read pie? You are choosing to shoot completely randomly in the dark if you choose this path. We have mikal as a reserve who could still replace in.
Casey inactive Magoroth pretty low activity too
i don’t have a reason to townread Pie. There’s a few things that I would be townreading a lesser skilled player for
Magic. We can't keep letting him get away with this!
Okay and? You’ve tunneled me multiple times and I’ve been town every time lol.
You find one example, and the one example is of you being a massive hypocrite, and doing the same thing you are accusing me of, the irony is pretty funny.
On REF? Idk. I was referring to the Thoth vote
I am not seeing a lot of arguments that say that Thoth is a liability for being town in your game and not clutching it up lol Or for him being "buddying" me about wylted, only you.
Your mind has been set since last night. Let’s be real here. Pie = scum.
Last night was when you should have claimed bother. Everyone has been asleep since then and now the day phase is ending. It's almost like you knew you could argue your way out of this and stall for time while people aren't online to call you on your bs.
For the record, I did character claim just now cause I don’t want a No lynch at all.
Where and what did you claim?
He just said he agrees. He hasn’t even read the thread. He read what you said and took at prima facie without reading anything else.
He called you out for town reading everyone.
This is going to be so infuriating if this ends in a no lynch.
What are you even talking about it? And how do you know he’s a townie?
I am talking about the anonymous game where you tunneled banana who was town lol
And it was “bad logic” just for you. Other people agreed with me.
Both wylteds and Kohais votes are bandwagon votes. All of me thoth and magic are on you for actual behavior.
Pride? Really? Like look at yourself dude. I admitted I was wrong with Thoth and moved on. I got what I needed. You just refuse to even consider for a second that I’m town. Even if I did claim, you’d still lynch me.
You refuse to acknowledge any responsibility for putting yourself in this situation, and continue to believe I am tunneling you despite the fact that I showed you evidence I would have been able to have been swayed into voting an inactive had you been willing to claim earlier. Now we have less than an hour left, and you still haven't claimed. How are you managing to be the victim here when you've had every oppertunity to dig yourself out of this hole?
You’re saying the exact same thing you said in the Vanilla game. And no one else is “picking” anything up. Thoth was on me before you, and Mago is just wagoning and disappeared again.
If mago is bandwagoning why did you guys have a multi-response engagement about your behavior? Seems much different that a bandwagon from my shoes.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:33 AM (post #276)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:28 AM (post #272)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:23 AM (post #267)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:19 AM (post #263)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:16 AM (post #261)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #258)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:07 AM (post #256)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:06 AM (post #253)
All this talk of tunneling when all you realistically had to do to get me to switch to Rex was claim, the same way you pushed Thoth to claim. I would have switched to Rex, you took it this far mate.
At this point you’re just lying. You explicitly said you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim lol
"I still want a claim from pie. Character at least. I could be persuaded into an inactive lynch if we can’t get a replacement soon."
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-1?page=7&comment_number=183
And I said I’m willing to compromise with you. To which you refuse. Thoth didn’t full claim at L-3 did he? He didn’t even character claim. So again, double standard
Soft claiming isn't a compromise, its a cop out that lets you get away with it. Thoth didn't have a good reason to claim. You are the only person who seems to genuinely scum read him. Wylted and kohai are on that wagon and seem to be more or less bandwagoning you, where as the people voting you actually seem to scum read you. The difference in the quality of the wagon make up is staggering.
Lol really? I’ll let you decide how you want me to soft claim. Something only you would know. Your wagon literally has Mago who hasn’t done anything. And then Thoth who voted me before you. I have Wylted who you think is town if I’m not mistaken, and Kohai who has claimed to be confirmable. Pretty easy
Maybe if you had come with this earlier than ONE HOUR left of the day phase we could talk. Unfortunately we are at the place now where I just wanna lynch you.
It’s literally just you and me. We still have an hour. Tell me however, you want me to soft claim. I will literally do it. If another person comes on, fine I’ll full claim
Why are you unwilling to even character claim? Why does this have to be a soft situation? What if I find your soft scummy? You will just accuse me of tunneling more. It's too late man, we have an hour left and we need a lynch. As it stands I'd prefer you be that lynch based on all the behavior difference I have noticed so far.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:31 AM (post #274)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:27 AM (post #270)
It would be really great if someone else could enter the thread. We are likely going to hit a no lynch here.
Youre actively enabling a no lynch. Literally just take a step back and think about you tunneling me. Just cause you don’t think it’s logical, doesn’t mean it’s illogical. You alrwady fell into this trap in that Anonymous game with the whole Vanilla. It’s literally the exact same situation here.
I mean you were deadset that a townie was scum and tunneled them on bad logic to your own death. You are willing to let pride overcome your ability to play this game to your maximum, which is probably the only thing holding you from being one of the greats as a mafia player. You are good, you and me both know that. But you dying on hills like this never does you any favors. It's okay to be wrong. If I am wrong here, I'll accept this on the chin. But I do think your behavior has been drastically different this game, and I feel like others are picking up on that as well.
If we lynch pie, and he flips scum, look into kohai. Pie has been strangely avoidant of him this game, he always pressures kohai.
Also wylted needs to be pressured if he doesn't have a damn good reason for whatever gambit hes pulling tomorrow.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:23 AM (post #267)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:19 AM (post #263)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:16 AM (post #261)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #258)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:07 AM (post #256)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:06 AM (post #253)
All this talk of tunneling when all you realistically had to do to get me to switch to Rex was claim, the same way you pushed Thoth to claim. I would have switched to Rex, you took it this far mate.
At this point you’re just lying. You explicitly said you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim lol
"I still want a claim from pie. Character at least. I could be persuaded into an inactive lynch if we can’t get a replacement soon."
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-1?page=7&comment_number=183
And I said I’m willing to compromise with you. To which you refuse. Thoth didn’t full claim at L-3 did he? He didn’t even character claim. So again, double standard
Soft claiming isn't a compromise, its a cop out that lets you get away with it. Thoth didn't have a good reason to claim. You are the only person who seems to genuinely scum read him. Wylted and kohai are on that wagon and seem to be more or less bandwagoning you, where as the people voting you actually seem to scum read you. The difference in the quality of the wagon make up is staggering.
Lol really? I’ll let you decide how you want me to soft claim. Something only you would know. Your wagon literally has Mago who hasn’t done anything. And then Thoth who voted me before you. I have Wylted who you think is town if I’m not mistaken, and Kohai who has claimed to be confirmable. Pretty easy
Maybe if you had come with this earlier than ONE HOUR left of the day phase we could talk. Unfortunately we are at the place now where I just wanna lynch you.
It would be really great if someone else could enter the thread. We are likely going to hit a no lynch here.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:20 AM (post #264)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:15 AM (post #260)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:06 AM (post #254)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:04 AM (post #251)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:01 AM (post #247)
Options are simple.
1) No Lynch (we lose a lynch)
2) Lynch the most active guy over a tunnel effort
Lynch the dude who is acting differently than he normally does by tunneling someone for the oddest reason, giving kohai a pass when he normally pushes him d1, and instead trying to intimidate people away from lynching him even though he would never give someone else the same pass in his shoes.
The reason is common sense in wanting to solve Thoth early because he’s always an odd ball. Wow, is it really rocket science?
"Always the oddball" is kind of vague, and could apply to plenty of other people as well. You could arguably make a more compelling case for that in wylted or mago as well. You have done it ad nauseum with kohai.
Many people including you I believe have explicitly told me in DMs that he’s straight weird and odd. Wylted is a smart guy. Mago is a smart guy. Are you really comparing them to Thoth? Kohai I agree with you. He was next on the list, but there was more to work with Thoth
Most of you all are odd, if you mean that literally. Don't understand how being odd has anything to do with them being scum.
3) Lynch the inactive who hasn’t posted once
Translation: Lynch completely randomly to get attention off himself, ignoring the fact that Casey is equally inactive.
im fine lynching Casey too lol. Want to switch to her lmfao? Bffr
If I let you off the hook for not claiming, and you end up being scum I am never gonna forgive myself for getting played lol so no.
Im not playing you. Literally just use basic logic. It’s back to the whole Vanilla thing. Just cause I think different and want to cover my bases doesn’t mean I’m scum. The logic only to you is bad. It made sense to Mag1c in both cases I believe. Like literally just look at how hard you’re tunneling me
I don't believe there is any basis in reality to the tunneling accusation, I think you use that word as a talking point to discredit my arguments and overall point. I am simply holding you to the same standards you would hold anyone else in your position. You and I both know if someone else is doing the same thing you aren't sitting on your laurels and letting them do this. We have policy lynched people for this type of thing plenty of time before. Me and you are not an exclusion to the rule we enforce because of our time and experience in this game.
