Lunatic

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:16 AM (post #261)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #258)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:07 AM (post #256)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:06 AM (post #253)

All this talk of tunneling when all you realistically had to do to get me to switch to Rex was claim, the same way you pushed Thoth to claim. I would have switched to Rex, you took it this far mate.

At this point you’re just lying. You explicitly said you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim lol

"I still want a claim from pie. Character at least. I could be persuaded into an inactive lynch if we can’t get a replacement soon."

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-1?page=7&comment_number=183

And I said I’m willing to compromise with you. To which you refuse. Thoth didn’t full claim at L-3 did he? He didn’t even character claim. So again, double standard

Soft claiming isn't a compromise, its a cop out that lets you get away with it. Thoth didn't have a good reason to claim. You are the only person who seems to genuinely scum read him. Wylted and kohai are on that wagon and seem to be more or less bandwagoning you, where as the people voting you actually seem to scum read you. The difference in the quality of the wagon make up is staggering.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:14 AM (post #259)

Also L-1 is not an intimidation tactic. It ensures there’s at least 2 townies wanting a claim from you. It’s golden rule. Common sense. I never said I’m refusing to claim at L-1. I wholeheartedly and happily will, as I’ve done all the time

You are going to be a major interest for the rest of the game. If you are town, mafia will be paranoid of you anyway for your resistance to claiming and holding the day phase hostage til the last hour and a half. There is 0 benefit for you as town to be doing this. There is benefit to stalling your claim if you are scum however. Waiting for POE to narrow down helps with finding a role to fit whatever fake character you got, assuming scum chose the characters and not the questions. You don't want to be locked into a claim, have town decide its scummy, and press you for a role whilst you are unprepared for it.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:06 AM (post #254)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:04 AM (post #251)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:01 AM (post #247)

Options are simple.

1) No Lynch (we lose a lynch)

2) Lynch the most active guy over a tunnel effort

Lynch the dude who is acting differently than he normally does by tunneling someone for the oddest reason, giving kohai a pass when he normally pushes him d1, and instead trying to intimidate people away from lynching him even though he would never give someone else the same pass in his shoes.

The reason is common sense in wanting to solve Thoth early because he’s always an odd ball. Wow, is it really rocket science?

"Always the oddball" is kind of vague, and could apply to plenty of other people as well. You could arguably make a more compelling case for that in wylted or mago as well. You have done it ad nauseum with kohai.

3) Lynch the inactive who hasn’t posted once

Translation: Lynch completely randomly to get attention off himself, ignoring the fact that Casey is equally inactive.

im fine lynching Casey too lol. Want to switch to her lmfao? Bffr

If I let you off the hook for not claiming, and you end up being scum I am never gonna forgive myself for getting played lol so no.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:07 AM (post #256)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:06 AM (post #253)

All this talk of tunneling when all you realistically had to do to get me to switch to Rex was claim, the same way you pushed Thoth to claim. I would have switched to Rex, you took it this far mate.

At this point you’re just lying. You explicitly said you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim lol

"I still want a claim from pie. Character at least. I could be persuaded into an inactive lynch if we can’t get a replacement soon."

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-1?page=7&comment_number=183

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:05 AM (post #252)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:01 AM (post #248)

Pie wants to die on this hill. Let’s oblige him.

Lol, you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim. And by doing so, you’re purposely splitting the lynch and going closer to a no lynch, which only benefits scum

Before you chose intimidation tactics by claiming you would wait til l-1 I would have been happy to move on after a claim.

All this talk of tunneling when all you realistically had to do to get me to switch to Rex was claim, the same way you pushed Thoth to claim. I would have switched to Rex, you took it this far mate.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:01 AM (post #247)

Options are simple.

1) No Lynch (we lose a lynch)

2) Lynch the most active guy over a tunnel effort

Lynch the dude who is acting differently than he normally does by tunneling someone for the oddest reason, giving kohai a pass when he normally pushes him d1, and instead trying to intimidate people away from lynching him even though he would never give someone else the same pass in his shoes.

3) Lynch the inactive who hasn’t posted once

Translation: Lynch completely randomly to get attention off himself, ignoring the fact that Casey is equally inactive.

Pie wants to die on this hill. Let’s oblige him.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 7:59 AM (post #241)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 8:57 AM (post #239)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 6:59 AM (post #223)

2.5 hours left

And your holding the day phase hostage by not claiming? How would you treat anyone else doing this?

I would’ve claimed, but you were literally like, I’m fine lynching him anyways. Nice way to get somebody to claim lol

Your claim doesn’t just convince one person, it convinces every person voting you. If you are unwilling to do it for me, do it to convince them. Or be lynched. I asked you how you would treat anyone else doing this, and you chose not to answer. That’s pretty telling.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 7:57 AM (post #238)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 8:55 AM (post #236)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 7:51 AM (post #234)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 8:49 AM (post #232)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 6:26 AM (post #214)

Honestly, though, yall frustrate me sometimes. Pie is not as active, he’s scum. Pie is active, he must be scum. Pie refuses to claim, so lynch him anyways. Oh wait other people refuse to L-1, let’s move on from them.

Sounds like PDS to me - Pie Derangement Syndrome

No one mentioned your activity so you are projecting. We have policy lynched people for inactivity plenty of time, but it’s something we do in absence of other reads. You are the other read in this situation. Intimidation tactics can’t always save you.

Im talking the previous game lol where I almost got lynched while sleeping. Regardless, we’re at an impasse, and I’m willing to compromise to move on

The last game was entirely inactive dp1 until like the last two hours. We’d have had to have policy lynched everyone to get out of that conundrum. Regardless what compromise are you talking about? Are you going to claim?

Im not going to full claim, but we can meet in the middle. I’m willing to soft claim

Yeah lol. I don’t negotiate with terrorists. We can just lynch you and find out your flip if you want to play it this way.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 7:57 AM (post #238)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 8:55 AM (post #236)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 7:51 AM (post #234)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 8:49 AM (post #232)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 6:26 AM (post #214)

Honestly, though, yall frustrate me sometimes. Pie is not as active, he’s scum. Pie is active, he must be scum. Pie refuses to claim, so lynch him anyways. Oh wait other people refuse to L-1, let’s move on from them.

Sounds like PDS to me - Pie Derangement Syndrome

No one mentioned your activity so you are projecting. We have policy lynched people for inactivity plenty of time, but it’s something we do in absence of other reads. You are the other read in this situation. Intimidation tactics can’t always save you.

Im talking the previous game lol where I almost got lynched while sleeping. Regardless, we’re at an impasse, and I’m willing to compromise to move on

The last game was entirely inactive dp1 until like the last two hours. We’d have had to have policy lynched everyone to get out of that conundrum. Regardless what compromise are you talking about? Are you going to claim?

Im not going to full claim, but we can meet in the middle. I’m willing to soft claim

You are at L-2, with a fast expiring day phase. You don’t hold the bargaining chips you think you do. At most you get lucky and people will be too inactive to hammer you.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 6:59 AM (post #223)

2.5 hours left

And your holding the day phase hostage by not claiming? How would you treat anyone else doing this?

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 7:51 AM (post #234)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 8:49 AM (post #232)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 6:26 AM (post #214)

Honestly, though, yall frustrate me sometimes. Pie is not as active, he’s scum. Pie is active, he must be scum. Pie refuses to claim, so lynch him anyways. Oh wait other people refuse to L-1, let’s move on from them.

Sounds like PDS to me - Pie Derangement Syndrome

No one mentioned your activity so you are projecting. We have policy lynched people for inactivity plenty of time, but it’s something we do in absence of other reads. You are the other read in this situation. Intimidation tactics can’t always save you.

Im talking the previous game lol where I almost got lynched while sleeping. Regardless, we’re at an impasse, and I’m willing to compromise to move on

The last game was entirely inactive dp1 until like the last two hours. We’d have had to have policy lynched everyone to get out of that conundrum. Regardless what compromise are you talking about? Are you going to claim?

We are almost out of time. Push pie. We cant keep letting him skate like this. He knows he is l-2 and still is making us wait til EOD to give a claim. It’s pure intimidation. He thinks people won’t call him on it and he can get away with it. He is never gonna let that same standard fly for you, so if you want to hold him accountable now’s the time. I think there is plenty of behavioral evidence to support that pie has been acting strangely this game.

Rex is just a random lynch. If we had no other leads sure, lynch him. But if pie isn’t going to comply he needs to be policy lynched the same way we treat other people. He doesn’t get a pass for simply being pie and scary.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 6:26 AM (post #214)

Honestly, though, yall frustrate me sometimes. Pie is not as active, he’s scum. Pie is active, he must be scum. Pie refuses to claim, so lynch him anyways. Oh wait other people refuse to L-1, let’s move on from them.

Sounds like PDS to me - Pie Derangement Syndrome

No one mentioned your activity so you are projecting. We have policy lynched people for inactivity plenty of time, but it’s something we do in absence of other reads. You are the other read in this situation. Intimidation tactics can’t always save you.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 6:04 AM (post #207)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 12:37 AM (post #189)

Vote Pie if you aren’t already. Let’s hold him to the same standard he held you to.

The standard that no one bothers to follow anymore? Definitely. Thoth doesn’t follow, REF doesn’t follow. I’ll follow it cause I’m a team player, but it’s retarded

Thoth wasn’t at l-1 and the reason for his wagon were pretty shoddy. But it will eventually bite Rex in the arse. It didn’t help him much last game since he needed to die.

Kinda down to just lynch pie regardless of the claim. Dude gets to hold people hostage and force them to claim but then say he needs to be put at l-1, which is a strong arming intimidation technique. I’ve been around d longer than him and even I am not that resistant to claiming that I would wait until L-1 to claim. That’s just playing risky with it, if people want you to claim and a claim is the only way to settle it, I’ll claim. Pie is bluffing because he thinks people won’t call him out on it and will divert to an easier target.

As much as inactivity is annoying the chances of mislynching between one at random are much higher. It’s an issue banana needs to solve. But in the mean time Pie is pretty behaviorally scummy, the entire Thoth push was just garbage. His lack of interest in kohai, despite historically pushing kohai dp1 (for much better reason, as he’s claiming to punish Thoth for a TOWN game he didn’t carry).

Whole thing feels super off. The buddying accusations make little to no sense. He was dying on that hill and only backed off of it after it was clear Thoth was hinting a PR but someone like him should have picked up on that much earlier.

We need to hold our accountable and treat him with the same treatment we give others.

Call his bluff with me. Vote pie.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 12:23 AM (post #195)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 12:50 AM (post #184)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/27/2026 at 11:33 PM (post #181)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/27/2026 at 10:25 PM (post #171)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/27/2026 at 11:23 PM (post #167)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/27/2026 at 10:22 PM (post #164)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/27/2026 at 10:48 PM (post #135)

Also there arguably another player in this game he isn’t pushing who is known for fucking up worse as scum, so it’s interesting he’s pressing Thoth over that player.

Kohai?

Right

Pie fucked over Kohai in that MAGA game where they asked if there was a Cop and were told no. Joe Arpaio's 1x Cop should have registered for that question.

There has been several games where kohai is found out early as scum, which is why pie tends to push him early a lot. Interesting he’s not doing so and instead focused on you for much of the last 24 hours.

I honestly kinda felt bad after he got quickhammered by Wryly for not claiming (even though he should’ve known that Pie gets what he wants). I haven’t been pushing him as hard since. I haven’t in a few games.

I can see a Kohai/Pie world where Kohai is always second on Pie’s list and never first.

I can too

Hi

Wya

Let’s get a couple more votes on pie

Let’s get a claim from pie. Lock him in

Vote Pie if you aren’t already. Let’s hold him to the same standard he held you to.

I still want a claim from pie. Character at least. I could be persuaded into an inactive lynch if we can’t get a replacement soon.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/27/2026 at 10:25 PM (post #171)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/27/2026 at 11:23 PM (post #167)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/27/2026 at 10:22 PM (post #164)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/27/2026 at 10:48 PM (post #135)

Also there arguably another player in this game he isn’t pushing who is known for fucking up worse as scum, so it’s interesting he’s pressing Thoth over that player.

Kohai?

Right

Pie fucked over Kohai in that MAGA game where they asked if there was a Cop and were told no. Joe Arpaio's 1x Cop should have registered for that question.

There has been several games where kohai is found out early as scum, which is why pie tends to push him early a lot. Interesting he’s not doing so and instead focused on you for much of the last 24 hours.

Can we get a replacement for one of the inactives please and thank you?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/27/2026 at 10:24 PM (post #168)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/27/2026 at 11:18 PM (post #161)

Wylteds justification is like half right is the problem. The specificity of Sarah “killing everyone” is what he uses to tie the justification into PGO. That specificity is false though, since Sarah only intends to kill a select few people based on voices in her head telling her do, and she doesn’t want to, basically just does it under duress of being threatened to have her brother killed if she doesn’t do it. Which spoiler alert ends up happening when she doesn’t fulfill that task.

I see your concern, but I think it's plausible, especially if Banana wanted to include a PGO for whatever reason. I don't think this alone is worth lynching wylted over, but it's worth keeping on the back burner.

Im not suggesting we lynch Wylted yet, he’s either exactly scum and used one of the two fake claims immediately or he is town and gambitting. I am leaning towards the latter based on a couple of things that pie and Wylted both pointed out to me, that I think I finally picked up on.

If banana desperately wanted a PGO she could have stretched the justification but I don’t see why you’d do that, and PGO is a bit unbalanced in a 9 player game.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/27/2026 at 10:17 PM (post #157)

UNVOTE

You backed off that pretty suddenly for how hard you were pushing in 20 minutes ago…

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/27/2026 at 10:22 PM (post #164)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/27/2026 at 10:48 PM (post #135)

Also there arguably another player in this game he isn’t pushing who is known for fucking up worse as scum, so it’s interesting he’s pressing Thoth over that player.

Kohai?

Right

I am not even going to entertain the notion that Wylted is a PGO lol. I would pretend if it wasn’t already blatantly obvious to scum by now that he isn’t as well.