Lunatic

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:31 PM (post #118)

If it’s two scum and no TP, then it is MYLO

MislYnch = LOse

I guess on a technicality some roles could make it not MYLO if mafia makes the wrong plays.

That’s why.

My doctor can’t be roleblocked or redirected. I hid that. So mafia does actually have to guess who I protect it. So I can block a kill and therefore its not MYLO.

Yeah even if the doctor can’t be stopped it should be mylo, but I guess there’s a sneaking possible you calculate and guess who we kill tonight. We can always gamble that choice to make an official decision but at that point it’s just a Russian roulette

Mylo*

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 9:28 PM (post #114)

So Popular can be better utilized beyond mere role confirmation. Good to know. I considered it a weak role.

I mean this was lylo. lol if kohai wants to say it wasn’t mylo he’s wrong but it’s his game so he can hand town the win if he wants I guess

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:23 PM (post #107)

So, why is this not MYLO?

For real make it make sense kohai

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/8/2026 at 9:25 PM (post #108)

Were debating him right now about it. Hes trying to say it’s mylo because of the doctor, but we have a redirect and town have no way to interfere with that. I don’t see how this isn’t mylo. We just redirect magic to whoever and kill whoever we want.

If it's 2 scum and no TP it isn't mylo

How? Make the math make sense .

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/8/2026 at 9:16 PM (post #100)

Are you guys hoping magic dies in a car accident and can win on a technicality or are you going to forfeit?

Were debating him right now about it. Hes trying to say it’s mylo because of the doctor, but we have a redirect and town have no way to interfere with that. I don’t see how this isn’t mylo. We just redirect magic to whoever and kill whoever we want.

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/8/2026 at 9:08 PM (post #95)

I guess that means there is a TP. We can TO hunt

If there is a TP they won already. I don’t understand anything that’s going on

Oh fuck, well gg

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/8/2026 at 9:03 PM (post #85)

VTL: Lunatic

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Originally Posted by wylted on 7/8/2026 at 9:01 PM (post #82)

I assume you guys can't say anything yet just in case but while we wait. GG

GGs yeah don’t think we can lose. We have roles to prevent magic from doccing our kill so should be a win. If not well… oops

VTL: Wryly

As long as you're not an unfocused idiot and lose track of the approach of MYLO, it's an "eh."

Would you not have suspected someone claiming popular late game even assuming it wasn’t mylo?

When it's a mafia-aligned role it is sometimes called Mugger, and it was used in Barry mafia, as an example. 

But your point is that I am not a town aligned big so this doesn’t help your case against me. Whiteflames role literally listed a np2 activated vig.

What's a worse balance issue? 1) Giving two town players unlimited Vigs, or 2) giving one town player a Vig and one mafia player a Graverobber/Scavenger/Mugger, with a 1 in 8 chance they will target the Vig with it? I argue the first.

All of these are equally as bad for balance. The only thing that would make sense for balance is if it was exactly one 1x vig and it was a 8-2 set up, that way it could account for the extra mislynch we miss from a 7-3 in a normal 9 player set up. 2 every night vigges is absolutely insane and chaotic, this game could be over right now if we don’t no lynch yesterday

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 7:01 PM (post #60)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:51 PM (post #58)

Popular is one of those roles that mods frequently use for both teams, you can claim that dp1 and still receive a bit of suspivion for it. Also as you now know, it loses all utility in MYLO as that would be OP. So in general, it's considered an SOP claim.

Hated, yes. Popular, eh.

I mean you are seeing the reason it is SOP in real time, not even sure how that's an "eh"

Yes, 100%, I'm hoping against hope Kohai gave scum like a Graverobber and a JOAT and that this game is not terribly balanced. I must have faith that I will not facepalm at endgame!

Coming innnn on a winggg and a prayerrrrr~

A graverobber, assuming this is a thing, wouldn't it just give me an unlimited use of vig, thus still presenting a balance issue? Or a JOAT with an extra night kill? No matter how you spin this, we have a balance issue at play, regardless of what you think my affiliation is, the balance is 100% confirmably bad, me being scum town or 3p doesn't change that fact.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:44 PM (post #56)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:38 PM (post #54)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #50)

Well fuck my life. I'm Town Popular. If we're in MYLO, I'm not confirmable and that's gg lol.

If there's any realm of possibilty that you are town, I am not gonna beat you up for this, but I would like to know the thought process behind waiting until now to claim this at least lol. I think you understand now how with holding this claim til mylo was... not a good play.

I've never seen anyone actually do anything with Popular except role confirm themselves. I wanted to see if I could use it to farm actionable data, maybe see who tried to start a wagon on me, but no opportunity arose.

Popular is one of those roles that mods frequently use for both teams, you can claim that dp1 and still receive a bit of suspivion for it. Also as you now know, it loses all utility in MYLO as that would be OP. So in general, it's considered an SOP claim.

I planned to claim this DP, but in my defense it did not occur to me in a bazillion years that there was another lethal role in the game, that there would be two NK's last night, and we could be at MYLO today.

Okay but if I wasn't a vig, and we got a mislynch instead, we would have been in the exact same spot numbers wise, so this is either an oversight, or a lie.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:41 PM (post #55)

I did ask Mag1c who he protected. I freely admit that my analysis here is 100% built on the premise that you can't be town because there cannot be two identical town Vigs, so my suppositions must by necessity grow more specific as I struggle to explain the data through the lens of that premise.

If you're 3P, I definitely need to remove my vote, but I can't be sure you are. I wouldn't expect even a 3P to have Mikal's exact same role, to be frank. This would make a lot more sense if you simply are mafia and gravedug the role from Mikal.

So it sounds like the entirety of your vote on me is based on the hope that you think the mod made any sense of balance here. But I don't even agree that a scum vig with a town vig is balanced. Two vigges in a ten player game is just wild no matter how you spin it, with only one doctor to boot.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #50)

Well fuck my life. I'm Town Popular. If we're in MYLO, I'm not confirmable and that's gg lol.

If there's any realm of possibilty that you are town, I am not gonna beat you up for this, but I would like to know the thought process behind waiting until now to claim this at least lol. I think you understand now how with holding this claim til mylo was... not a good play.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #50)

Well fuck my life. I'm Town Popular. If we're in MYLO, I'm not confirmable and that's gg lol.

LOL

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:27 PM (post #47)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:02 PM (post #41)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:47 PM (post #34)

Would also explain the no Mag1c kill. If they've got two shots per night the Doc isn't as much of a threat, and the priority becomes to remove Pie from the conversation DP3, and to get Rex out of the way, cuz he was looking less and less likely to be a mislynch target.

Just saying if magic protected a kill, I would have been unable to confirm myself. If I was actually scum I would be killing magic all day.

I'm sure scum have a Strongman or some such and that y'all would use it for Rex's kill to make sure it went through so you could sell this story, and since Mag1c had Pie in his POE there were low odds he would doc him.

It's strange that you would jump to a conclusion that scum was banking on a strongman to get their second kill off instead of just asking magic who he protected. This could be a lot simpler to solve, but your already jumping to the conclusion that I am guilty, which if this is mylo, makes sense that you would be setting me up as a mislynch lol.

There's not a strong case to be made for you sussing Mag1c, so he's not a viable target.

If I was scum I kill magic here all day. Not only does he prevent me from confirming myself, he also was suspecting me alongside pie and whiteflame. 0 Utility in keeping him alive from my pov.

Better to lay the groundwork for a Rex kill, bump him off, try to sell it DP3, then bump Mag1c off NP3.

Unless you're 3P.

If you think there is a high likelihood im third party, voting me still makes town lose, and still doesn't make this shit balanced. None of your thought process makes sense here.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:21 PM (post #46)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #40)

I told you many times I thought he was baiting. Didn't think he was actually a vig, why would I counter claim an obviously bs claim? Imagine my surprise when he was actually the same role as me.

Yeah I had a blond moment there.

Nah, i'm gonna need you to actually explain this one to me. Multiple people suspected rex. He was my top scum read next to banana.. Peep my reads kast day phase.

I'm judging your judgment through the lens of my judgment, judgmentally. Lol. Or to put it in other words, Rex was so clearly town to me based on his behavior that I struggle to see town!Lunatic genuinely sussing him. I was baffled that Pie VTL'd him too. At least whiteflame only VTL'd him because he was a claim void

His refusal to claim after being extremely inactive, plus sussing whiteflame who seemed likeliest to be town based on his results and claim and overall behavior, plus rex's outright refusal to claim, he wasn't getting town points for me. I was wrong I guess, but I don't see that him being a scum read is so outside of the realm of possibility.

How tf am I even supposed to respond to this lol. I am sorry kohai is a shit mod I guess, but I did tell you multiple times this was the case.

I won't believe even Kohai would put two of the same role into a game unless they were on either side of an alignment divide.

Even if the two roles are on the opposite teams, that doesn't make the balance any better, so this isn't solving the issue of balance your positing.

Also you need to claim, we are probably in MYLO. No reason to hold it back at this point.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 6:10 PM (post #43)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:04 PM (post #42)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 5:55 PM (post #38)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 7:08 PM (post #27)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 2:04 PM (post #10)

So... there were somehow two NKs?

I don't get the choices, either. Both Pie and Rex were getting sussed to varying degrees last DP, so why kill them? I feel like I'm missing something. Really frustrating as well because both could have role confirmed themselves.

Rex was me, and he was my second top scum read behind banana, which is why I killed him. Sucks he wasn't scum.... I feel slightly less bad about it given we no lynched yesterday but a mis vig is still a mis vig. Now that I have demonstrated my role, I will be much more conservative with it. I didn't even really want to submit a kill honestly. Happy to forfeit this role unless I am pretty damn sure someone is scum. I was going to shoot banana, but switched to rex last second because of niggling doubts.

Looking at this and your post above it, it's hard to believe there are two NP2+ Vigs in the game, and that's coming from someone who got that exact role on my list of three. If you're a Serial Killer TP or something, now would be a good time to clarify given that we're likely at MYLO.

Do you not believe your own results or something? I don't know what to tell you. Im a NP2 vig. That's what I am.

I trust that my results are accurate, but they don't say anything about alignment. Two town Vigs, even with a delay, aren't believable. Having another killing role in play likely means it's associated with a TP, and while that's still hard to stomach, it can at least make some sense from a balance perspective.

When have you ever seen a mafia or third party titled "Night 2 activated vig"? Regardless of your assumption about my alignment, the existence of a second vig is 100% proof the balance is fucked.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 5:55 PM (post #38)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 7:08 PM (post #27)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 2:04 PM (post #10)

So... there were somehow two NKs?

I don't get the choices, either. Both Pie and Rex were getting sussed to varying degrees last DP, so why kill them? I feel like I'm missing something. Really frustrating as well because both could have role confirmed themselves.

Rex was me, and he was my second top scum read behind banana, which is why I killed him. Sucks he wasn't scum.... I feel slightly less bad about it given we no lynched yesterday but a mis vig is still a mis vig. Now that I have demonstrated my role, I will be much more conservative with it. I didn't even really want to submit a kill honestly. Happy to forfeit this role unless I am pretty damn sure someone is scum. I was going to shoot banana, but switched to rex last second because of niggling doubts.

Looking at this and your post above it, it's hard to believe there are two NP2+ Vigs in the game, and that's coming from someone who got that exact role on my list of three. If you're a Serial Killer TP or something, now would be a good time to clarify given that we're likely at MYLO.

Do you not believe your own results or something? I don't know what to tell you. Im a NP2 vig. That's what I am.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:47 PM (post #34)

Would also explain the no Mag1c kill. If they've got two shots per night the Doc isn't as much of a threat, and the priority becomes to remove Pie from the conversation DP3, and to get Rex out of the way, cuz he was looking less and less likely to be a mislynch target.

Just saying if magic protected a kill, I would have been unable to confirm myself. If I was actually scum I would be killing magic all day.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:33 PM (post #32)

I'm supposed to believe you saw Mikal claim Vig and did not counterclaim?

I told you many times I thought he was baiting. Didn't think he was actually a vig, why would I counter claim an obviously bs claim? Imagine my surprise when he was actually the same role as me.

That you chose to target Rex, who screamed town?

Nah, i'm gonna need you to actually explain this one to me. Multiple people suspected rex. He was my top scum read next to banana.. Peep my reads kast day phase.

That town got two identical killing roles? Nah. You're either 3P or mafia.

How tf am I even supposed to respond to this lol. I am sorry kohai is a shit mod I guess, but I did tell you multiple times this was the case.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:26 PM (post #30)

Lol I absolutely do not believe Kohai puts two Cycle 2+ unlimited Vigs in one game, and if he did, I'm never playing his games again.

VTL: Lunatic

I didn't believe it either until mikal flipped lol. I don't know how to respond to that, I mean I have proved it and can continue to prove it. Unless you think mafia just have a second night kill which is even more busted.

So whiteflame was copped innocent? That narrows things down for me. Banana, still scum likely, wryly needs to claim, magic is a doc, Idk.

Banana was your hope thingy 1x?

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 2:04 PM (post #10)

So... there were somehow two NKs?

I don't get the choices, either. Both Pie and Rex were getting sussed to varying degrees last DP, so why kill them? I feel like I'm missing something. Really frustrating as well because both could have role confirmed themselves.

Rex was me, and he was my second top scum read behind banana, which is why I killed him. Sucks he wasn't scum.... I feel slightly less bad about it given we no lynched yesterday but a mis vig is still a mis vig. Now that I have demonstrated my role, I will be much more conservative with it. I didn't even really want to submit a kill honestly. Happy to forfeit this role unless I am pretty damn sure someone is scum. I was going to shoot banana, but switched to rex last second because of niggling doubts.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 1:47 PM (post #6)

Let's hear it

So yeah I am the (Real? Second?) Night 2 activated vigilante and I murdered rex. Yeah. There's a reason I was saying balance in this game was absolutely whack. This is also why I was sold that mikal was lying about being a vig in day phase one and was pulling some gambit, my mind couldn't wrap around the existance of a second night 2 activated vigilante..

I am John Wick btw, my other submission was the GOAT Tyrion Lannister, and Louis Creed (My favorite book written character from Stephen King's Pet Semetary).

I needed to get through day 2 without claiming this because if anything happened to stop my role from going through, I would have no way of confirming myself, and there was absolutely no way in hell yall would have let me survive anyway if I told you I was the Night 2 activated vig after mikals flip. So yeah balance is completely fucked. This was also the reason I was okay with no lynching yesterday because I wanted to get a kill off and prove myself, and I wanted to lynch rex anyway, so figured killing rex would basically accomplish the same thing as a lynch without as much punishment.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/7/2026 at 1:05 PM (post #312)

Worth noting that Lunatic and Rex had two different reasons for not wanting to VTNL. Rex’s is very towny (self sacrificial) while Lunatic’s is quite lazy. We had four hours and only three people on Rex. We can get 3 people in four to VTNL, I mean shoot, did it real quick and we got a fourth just now. To be clear: Being VTNL-averse isn’t inherently scummy, but saying “oh we dont have time for it” when we only need three/maybe four people in four hours (assuming one is coming off the Rex wagon) comes off as a quickly-drawn, fabricated reason to avoid a VTNL.

Honorstly didn’t expect it to get support. You proved me wrong good sir.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/7/2026 at 12:30 PM (post #297)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 2:27 PM (post #293)

I was going to post a larger iteration of the basics of that post, which were that I thought the possibilities were

Luna/WF T/T - Luna is bodyguard

Luna/WF S/T - Luna is scum redirector

Luna/WF T/S - Luna is town redirector

So much of your analysis of another person is based on a guess of what you think my role is. I don't like that at all.

You're just not reading my case at all then, which tbh is NAI for you.

Yeah I skimmed a lot of that. I skim a lot of whiteflames bulk posts too. My bad.