He is claiming strengthener lol
He is claiming strengthener lol
This is the post he is claiming his "soft claim" is. It was also directed at rex who he is now defending
Magoroth wrote:
And exactly how is my iso a “treasure trove”? Wtf. People are capable of not playing the exact same way every game. That is literally all I’m being accused of, playing differently. How am I playing differently? This is miles away from my scum game lmao.
My scum game is I say weird scummy things. I don’t think I’ve said anything scummy and in any event. People are stating far too high a confidence on my slot considering all they can really say is “he’s different” without actually offering any proof in that regard. Not even proof. Like... an explanation please?
Let’s assume I am Town for a moment. How in God’s name am I supposed to defend myself when the accusations against me are “he’s playing differently” or “he’s offering fewer takes”? What do I say to that? Give me something specific I can actually reply to or I won’t even feel bad for being mislynched. Town’s fault.
Its not just about playing differently and I have explained it thoroughly.
Refer to these posts for "evidence" or whatever. Respond to any of that and tell me I am wrong. It's not about being slightly different, this is mega different. You haven't taken the wheels once and picked a solid direction.
Shining wrote:
Kohai wrote:
Less than 10 mins left. We can’t afford a no lynch
Bro why are you pinging me, I'm voting Casey. Blame Lunatic.
Lynch mago, blame me when we are wrong. I am okay with that.
Didn’t you say this last time?
I have never mislynched you. If you are town, why did you play this game like a passenger and not the driver? Why has every other town mago we have ever seen play like a driver, make decisioned reasons, and fight? Why is this mago we are seeing content with just letting things happen?
We have an hour and 8 minutes if it ends at 9am cst
Kohai wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Kohai wrote:
Can someone hammer?
Casey is not the way. Trust.
I don’t think Mag is either.
That said I think we learn more from a mag flip than a Casey flip
I've read through mago's ISO so much. His behavior if town makes 0 sense to me. I feel like his ISO is a treasure trove. I don't think I am wrong here. If I am I am open to change how I view this player in future games, but everything he has done has matched his scum MO more than it has his town MO. We can pressure the fuck out of casey tomorrow. Offline lynching her sounds like a recipe for failure though.
Kohai wrote:
Can someone hammer?
Casey is not the way. Trust.
Help me lynch mago.
Magoroth wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Kohai wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
I get it, I do. Inactivity hurts town. But it also feels like a waste to ignore behavioral analysis of over 700 posts of data by choosing to just go “meh” and vote an inactive.
This is true. That said I do have reasons to both town read and scum read the other wagons.
Lynch mago with me. I’ll take the heat if he is innocent next day phase. I feel good about this lynch. I’d have to run stats on my lynch accuracy, I’m not immune to being wrong but I haven’t mislynched in quite a few games.
Do you really want a recap of our first game together? I’m Town and you will not enjoy the shitstorm I will conjure up if you try that
The fact that you haven't tried already is whats pinging me.
The resistance to the Rex/ mago trains should be telling imo. They might not be both scum but I would be very surprised if both were town.
Kohai wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
I get it, I do. Inactivity hurts town. But it also feels like a waste to ignore behavioral analysis of over 700 posts of data by choosing to just go “meh” and vote an inactive.
This is true. That said I do have reasons to both town read and scum read the other wagons.
Lynch mago with me. I’ll take the heat if he is innocent next day phase. I feel good about this lynch. I’d have to run stats on my lynch accuracy, I’m not immune to being wrong but I haven’t mislynched in quite a few games.
I get it, I do. Inactivity hurts town. But it also feels like a waste to ignore behavioral analysis of over 700 posts of data by choosing to just go “meh” and vote an inactive.
Lynching inactives and being randomly correct like we were in the last game is a pretty rare scenario.
VTL: Magoroth
UNVOTE
Kohai wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Kohai wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Not all the way caught up. I see there is some push back on Rex. I personally don’t see him as giving anyone a good reason to town read him, don’t like his reads, and feel he is actively harming town the way he’s playing, not lynching him isn’t the end of the world. However if we don’t lynch Rex I think I’d be pressing magoroth as the lynch here baased on stark behavioral differences. Despite being one of the most active posters in the game, I don’t feel he’s done much useful with his time. This game looks very different than his town games, even acknowledging he isn’t being as agresdive with his votes, I still feel like town mago would have strong opinions on someone by now.
Hey Luna since you’re around let’s chat.
I am watching the Michael Jackson movie with my girlfriend right now so expect a semi distracted interaction for the next hour or so, but sure.
What is your second lynch choice other than Rex?
Read the thing I just posted fully. I literally just said magoroth lol
Kohai wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Not all the way caught up. I see there is some push back on Rex. I personally don’t see him as giving anyone a good reason to town read him, don’t like his reads, and feel he is actively harming town the way he’s playing, not lynching him isn’t the end of the world. However if we don’t lynch Rex I think I’d be pressing magoroth as the lynch here baased on stark behavioral differences. Despite being one of the most active posters in the game, I don’t feel he’s done much useful with his time. This game looks very different than his town games, even acknowledging he isn’t being as agresdive with his votes, I still feel like town mago would have strong opinions on someone by now.
Hey Luna since you’re around let’s chat.
I am watching the Michael Jackson movie with my girlfriend right now so expect a semi distracted interaction for the next hour or so, but sure.
Not all the way caught up. I see there is some push back on Rex. I personally don’t see him as giving anyone a good reason to town read him, don’t like his reads, and feel he is actively harming town the way he’s playing, not lynching him isn’t the end of the world. However if we don’t lynch Rex I think I’d be pressing magoroth as the lynch here baased on stark behavioral differences. Despite being one of the most active posters in the game, I don’t feel he’s done much useful with his time. This game looks very different than his town games, even acknowledging he isn’t being as agresdive with his votes, I still feel like town mago would have strong opinions on someone by now.
Claims list:
Claims:
Thoth- Oganesson- Hidden role until dp4 (post 4, dp1)
Kohai- ??? - Innocent child (Post 178, dp1)
Unclaimed:
Lunatic
RexFavilla
Shining
Mikal
Bullish
Casey
Banana
Whiteflame
Mag1cMan
Magoroth
Helz
Total posts: 412
Not counting the 20 posts from the host, we have a total of 392 posts so far. Here is a list of players and who has posted the most to the least.
Mago- 71
Thoth- 64
Whiteflame- 36
Lunatic- 36
Helz- 35
Kohai- 33
Magic- 27
Rex- 23
Mikal- 20
Bullish- 17
Banana- 14
Caseyrisk- 7
Shining- 7
Some interesting data
If I had to place a scum team right now it would be between rex, mago, magic, and mikal. Mikal is much lower on that totem pole though,
I would be most keen on lynching between rex and mago today though.
Full reads:
Rex- Scum lean- Rex has made a total of 23 posts this day phase. Reading his Iso doesn't do much for me. I don't feel like he is scum hunting. I agreed with some one the points helz made about him pressing kohai, but in general I just don't really see much of a reason to town read him. He hasn't added a lot of value to this phase, and comes off a bit trolly, uncaring, indifferent, a bit defensive, and just overall unhelpful. All I can gather from his ISO is a bit of omgus toward Helz, though he said he scum reads anyone pressing him, so its kind of a blanket omgus, all his other votes are RVS by his self admission, and he wagoned his recent thoth votes. My problem is that I don't know if scum rex acts this blatantly scummy though. I am noticing some similarities to terraria mafia where he was blatantly over-defensive towards me when I pressed him for defending supa, I got omgused a bit like he is doing with helz. Then you see town rex is solo leveling who despite being largely inactive, actually felt like he had a lot of genuine reads and takes. I found my opinions aligning with his a lot, in a way they aren't in this game so far. Overall I don't think dismissing him as lazy or uncaring town is a good idea. I think he is one of my top votes for an EOD elimination. I have given him a lot of time since my initial vote to do almost anything to change my mind, and his play has only gotten worse.
Shining- Null? - I don't know, he's made a total of 7 posts so far nothing really screams town to me. Thoth read is a nothing cookie, whiteflame townread is a pretty shared read, and he says he isn't seeing the mago read though because mago has a difficult personality. Which is funny because part of the reason I even suspected him to begin with was quite the opposite of that. Mago has had much more passive play this game, has barely been voting much at all, and ultimately has played this one safe. So this makes me think shining has not really been reading the reasons for why mago is actually being scum read and is just kind of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, which reeks of manufactured thoughts for the sake of looking like he's doing something. That said, shining is kind of one of the few players who I can see doing that as town, because he probably views mafia more like doing homework than playing a game, so I can see a lazy take like this coming from him lol. I am just gonna stick him in null because I don't really know how to read this yet.
Mikal- Null/slight scum- I pointed out already that I think it's weird that he's passing mago for activity, but I also don't think he's played in as many mago games as the rest of us and could just be mis-reading him here. Mago usually is pretty active as town or scum, there is a couple games I dinstinctly remember him being inactive in due to real life factors, which is MAGA and frienren mafia, but other than those mago tends to stick to a pretty consistent active basis. That said if mago is scum I don't think mikal would be blatantly trying to town cred him so there is a chance they are unpaired if mago is scum. Bullish and thoth being in his scum pile is weird to me. Both of these seem like easy targets and I am a bit suspicious that his scum reads are kind of lower active posters, and one of them has already full claimed on page one. I kind of expect a heavy shove on someone dp1 from town. I also feel like mikal usually is a lot more paranoid of me when he's town, so the fact that I am completely excluded from his read in 221 is interesting. The rest of his posts have been game theory debate between him and helz, kind of more of a continued discussion from Amber's endgame. I am kind of waiting for mikal to stand out here as town for me, and he hasn't. I feel like mikal kind of bleeds town easier than he is now, so the fact that he isn't is concerning. Could be due to genuinely being busy, but he is still posting, so at minimum its just a bad use of his free time to focus on this shit instead of trying to help us figure out scum, unless he's just that convinced of his bullish/thoth scum team.
Thoth- Townlean- The immediate claim from thoth is not something he does as scum from what I've noticed, so if he's scum, he's trying something completely different. Also his role pm and description add up to how I think pie would write a role like that. Also it's a custom role and I can kind of see pie adding something like that in his game. I mean lets be honest, we know how scum!Thoth claims, he claims wierd shit like leprechaun or unrecruitable back up nurse, shit that just doesn't make sense. And he does it after recieving immense amounts of pressure and waffling about his claim for a long ass time. Him not doing that here indicates to me that it's probably a legit claim that he wanted to get out sooner rather than later because he knew how a role like that would sound if he was forced to claim it later under pressure, and wanted to be fully transparent. He's been very open with answering questions about it, and asking his own to pie in regards to the role not a whole lot of conflicting information about it to worry about. His latest posts have been mostly fluff, which is in character for Thoth. I don't really get his town read on rex though. Also still waiting on those reads he promised us.
Bullish- Null- Out of his 17 total posts nothing really screams town to me here. Wierd town read on rex. But looks like he shifted back to null on him later. All unexplained. Gonna need more from bullish here to read him.
Casey- Null- Casey's made a total of 7 posts so far, a lot to be gained for analysis here. A bit of focus on thoths role claim, lecturing helz for his challenge thing, and then kind of just dis-appeared. Gonna need more.
Banana- Town- Banana has been low activity as well with only 14 posts, but I feel like they've made way more use of their time then others have. 0 fluff posting, all posts are either asking questions, forming reads, and behavior seeking posts. I am slightly paranoid she bandwagoned my mago read so easily, but because my read on mago hasn't really changed, I am okay with it for now. Still would like more from her.
Whiteflame- Town- I know I am shooting myself in the foot by town reading him, because he plays very townily as scum, but I just don't see a whole lot that makes me paranoid of whiteflame atm. Which probably means he is scum right? jk lol. Whiteflame has made 36 posts, and all of them have been fairly large bulk posts of analysis. He seems to have genuine excitement and interest in the theme, and he had some very detailed reads.
Magic- Slight scum- Still waiting on Magic to cook here and change my mind. He said he would give thoughts tomorrow morning, I am hoping he gives us something good here. I am not liking the mago town read, never really was. He hasn't highlighted a lot of scum reads either, which is unusual for magic. He kind of says he doesn't like the rex or the mago wagon, we already know he town read mago, but his latest response to rex made him seem largely null, so not sure why he is so opposed to that one. That said, I would be interested to see any alternative reads posted from him like at all. Magic has 27 posts but I don't feel like he's really made an impact this game so far, but that's a running theme with a lot of players so far. I feel like town magic is a lot easier to pick up on, is usually a bit more passionate and vocal, this magic not doing any of that reminds me of his scum play in solo leveling. I am leaning scum here.
Magoroth- Scum- Not a lot has changed for me about magoroth since my last big read on him in 261 and 285. Again he is playing drastically different in this game. He did say that he was trying to be over all more conservative and not throw out as many FOS'es. That's all fine and dandy, but he could at the very least find one and stick to it hard. Town mago is like a bloodhound when he catches a scent, he scum read me from dp1 in ruyi zhuan and never let it go the whole game. Since my previous reads on him, he states he sees me and banana on a scum team in 376, but then just votes bullish out of nowhere saying he is scum. While OMGUS is in character for town mago, not following up with it or doing anything with it isn't. So the only thing I would have to hang myself up on with mago is that he openly stated he was trying to switch things up. And I don't know if that's enough to excuse the trench gap between his normal town playstyle and his current one. Mago is one of my top scum reads right now next to Rex.
Helz- Town lean- I want to town read helz here, mostly because I feel like we are on the same wave length a lot this game with our thoughts and reads. As I was catching up, I was scum reading rex for the same posts towards kohai that he was, so him vocalizing my thoughts made me feel like a town meld was happening. I find myself in agreement with a lot of their reads, and I also love the effort posting. I feel like Helz has been carrying the town a bit on his back so far, so if he ends up as scum in this game it will be a bit of a shock, I've kind of just been dismissing them as town so far based on liking almost everything they have to say. One thing that could potentially fuck me with my helz town read, is that I distinctly recall helz NOT wanting to be overtly town read in solo leveling, and he went way out of his way to hint he was third party to get people to not see him as an inherent risk and thus not target him for a night action. He doesn't seem to have that worry here, and is posting pretty freely. Having never seen a helz scum game, there is very much a world where scum helz effort posts like this as well. That said, because I am in general agreement with a lot of his reads, I am going to let the paranoia about that slide for now for day phase one.
Kohai- Confirmed town- I wonder if Pie purposely gave that role to him to prevent what would have been a guaranteed town mislynch normally lol. If so thats funny as shit.
Thoth wrote:
I'm not saying that I'm scumreading him. It just popped into my mind that I hadn't even considered the possibility he wasn't town, and I don't know how I feel about that.
Not sure we've seen a helz scum game yet.
Whats made you question it?
Magoroth wrote:
what if you’re about to lose? something…
?
Going through your ISO I am not noticing you take any hard stances, mostly focus on your role, and fluff posting random shit. Where do you stand, who are you considering for a lynch this day phase and why?
Banana wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Thoth wrote:
I've gotten a terrible gutread on Magoroth so far. There's nothing concrete to back it. Just an unease with how he's phrased certain things. Listen to me or don't, I don't care either way.
This isn't effective scum hunting. Having a gut read on someone being scummy is fine, but what are you doing with it? Put pressure on them, ask them questions, make 'em squirm.
its page 2, u expecting him to have more than a gut read that early? thats a bit 2 high an expectatiun
I just dont see what saying that accomplishes. If he was asked for his reads or something that is different. If you suspect someone your goal as town is to convince others to buy that narrative, so if you don't have a narrative to push then your just throwing shit against the wall to see what will stick.
RexFavilla wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Yeah I should have made up some random bullshit about a gut read I got like two pages into the DP, that would have been 'town' of me.
So put yourself in my shoes, why should I town read you? Your only real focus here has been on shit talk the confirmed townie, and a vibe take on mago, now just doubling down and being defensive that people scum read that behavior lol
I think that hard town reading anyone DP1 is usually not justified unless something very extreme happens or they are a bad player with a super obvious meta. When people do it, I usually see it as fake or just naivete. So, you shouldn't. But I think pushing a lynch based on this behavior is suspect. I don't think my behavior has been objectively scummy in any way. But I think it's the sort of behavior that scum would see as easier to mislynch.
"Hard town reads" no one ever said you need to be that. But you should be at bare minimum trying to scum hunt more than you are, and if you have a limited amount of time, its strange that you spend it the way you are instead of trying to further the day phase
Yeah I should have made up some random bullshit about a gut read I got like two pages into the DP, that would have been 'town' of me.
So put yourself in my shoes, why should I town read you? Your only real focus here has been on shit talk the confirmed townie, and a vibe take on mago, now just doubling down and being defensive that people scum read that behavior lol