Lunatic

That would be weird, though, since this came up two days into the DP. Setting aside concerns about the theme split and how it would break down without Jin-woo in town, you would have to believe that Jin-woo refused to accept an invite to a Guild, Mikal waited two days in the DP, and then he posted this.

I phrased that poorly, what my theory with that was is essentially that Jin woo is third party and had to mae a choice before the end of dp1 to be able to joint with town, scum or stay independent and maybe the wording of Mikal’s post indicates he made a choice to stay independent. Kind of a shot in the dark theory but it made sense to me as I was reading it.

Weird Sung Jinah can't join a guild for theme reasons but monsters could still join despite theme reasons, but I suppose Mikal could've handwaved that for game purposes.

No I said monsters can’t join guilds lol

I don't remember our last game played together but clearly it impacted you, so let me apologize for whatever I did or said in the past. I don't think you're an idiot. I just disagreed with the approach of outing as a guild leader and tried to pivot the plan to make the most use of what had happened. I entirely understand how it could come across as particularly harsh when I called you a twat after you claimed. That was me being dramatic in a silly way because the claim came almost simultaneous to me saying for the guild leaders not to claim. It was a Jim panning to the camera moment.

I appreciate that. You don’t have to hold back when talking to me or anything, you should see the shit we say and call each other these days in mafia, we just kind of take it as part of the game and are all friends in the next game. I just didn’t know if there was external shit behind it but if you don’t even remember it then there likely isn’t and we are Gucci.

Also, Tarkov grudge? I don't even remember that lol. I was actually thinking about when we played Tarkov together and the good memories which is part of why I've been so shocked at how our interactions this game have gone.

Im not particularly good at shooters and I remember you going hard on me for sucking one time in reserve and I think I crashed out hard back on you and I’m pretty sure that was the last time we had ever talked lol. It sounds like I read way more into that interaction than you did though lol. My bad.

Shit went off in a tangent answering your question and missed the actual question. No monsters cannot join guilds

Can monsters join guilds in the show

The monsters are kind of inherently bad in the show. They come through these portals and wreak havoc in random parts of cities where they open up. The hunters association created a solution to this by ranking the dungeons by difficulty and sending hunters with matching power levels to kill the monsters and harvest valuable resources from them which enables them to close the dungeons portals. There is only like one case of a “good” monster I can think of that Jin Woo interacts with, but generally they are all pretty destructive and evil. The worst ones being the ants on jeju island who are just leagues above even the best hunters. Jin woo being the only exception.

I am truly sorry that you are upset, but making it easier for players to catch up and engage is more important than your ego (and yes, getting upset because "Mestari called my posts spam is an ego reaction).

I don’t think it’s ego, I think maybe I was a little on edge with you coming back. You probably don’t remember but last time I had interacted with you it didn’t end the best. I was a little wary playing with you because of it but I had kind of mentally prepared myself for some conflict to happen. The the game starts and you immediately call me out for outing that I am guild leader, kind of disregard my reasoning for it, and I was getting the vibe you were just calling me an idiot, so maybe at that point I read deeper into other things you said as being douchier than you meant them. I thought you had a grudge against me for the tarkov thing 6 years ago and were bringing it back into this game which I was finding a bit infuriating. If that’s not the case then I apologize for misunderstanding.

If the MC is 3P, what do you think the mafia/town theme split is?

probably heroes/players Vs monsters based on guild recruit mechanics and the post Mikal just made. But it’s too early to say for sure.

No, I'm not rage baiting. You've multiple times already mentioned that you have made choices to try to get an advantage over Wylted. You can say that you will put finding scum over the guild wincon, but the way you talk about your choices makes it clear that the line lies somewhere in the middle. You prioritize the guild wincon, but only to an extent. It's in the space occupied by that extent in which your self interests to supercedes the interests of the town.

Like I said the only reason I even give any sort of shit about the game

mechanic of the guild thing is out of respect for Mikal who asked me to try and take it seriously but I even directly told him I would but that hunting scum would be more important. That said I have been trying to be compliant and open with information and immediately agreed to ousting my recruits. Wylted did not. If anyone is playing into the guild mechanic heavily it’s him. The only thing I said was that I was bluffing that helz accepted my recruit but that’s not a negative impact to the town and the best possible outcome of that result is that Wylted decides not to try and play guild mechanics which is what you claim you want right?

If you think your posts were unique enough to provide sufficient value to outweigh the players catching up having to trudge through layers of shit to get to your posts, well that's just a difference in evaluation.

I was questioning Thoth who you seem to want to turbo lynch anyway and made a call to action for several players to join me in pressuring him. Not saying that every post we made was adding extreme value but there’s not many people posting over night which is usually when I am on and posting so I am only able to talk to a limited amount of people during that time, Thoth just happened to also be one of those people

I wish I knew if this was just a scripted hint or if it heralds some new development in the game mechanics.

It is tied to something that happened in game because in the show Jin Woo helps on jeju island and Mikal is saying that Jin Woo is actively choosing not to take a side or participate in jeju island. I think there is a third party or something who is Jin Woo and they had to make a choice to joins guild or remain 3p and they chose to remain 3p. Or something like that.

not lynching isn’t how you catch scum lol.

You would Vtnl over voting Thoth?

In all seriousness is this a Thoth thing?

Remember back in the day when mods would write theme lore in their OPs and sometimes include hints in them? I think the this is one of those things. It’s basically talking about Jin Woo the MC. And I’m pretty sure it’s alluding to him being third party. Could be wrong maybe it is a mech due to a player role.

I think you don't know what I am doing and that it will be fun to discuss later when we can be more open.

Judging by this set up the discussion will not come before dp3 and potentially could have to wait until the endgame

Tbh the only reason I am really entertaining the idea of fulfilling the guild wincon thing is to humor mikal. He explicitly asked me to try and fulfill my wincon. Out of respect for him and the time he spent making the game, and also being my friend, I told him I would. But hunting mafia is truly all that matters to me. I told him I would do it, but that prioritizing scum will come first, and if at any point the guild thing impedes that, it becomes secondary to the main goal of hunting scum. So I am begrudgingly doing it, but you know idgaf about these type of things. If I am third party I will try to joint with town. I didn't even want to do the 3p joint win with pie and whiteflame in ruyi zhuan, I compromised by simply letting town hang themselves instead of trying to help scum get a mislynch. You can ask whiteflame i outright rejected him like 4 times when he asked, before I finally caved.

Just curious. Do you get the vibe that we are fighting it out for our own self interest and putting it above the town? Because I thought we've been pretty amicable so far.

You are constantly whining about how the day phase has been going on to long and you want a lynch already. I haven't moved my vote once, and when I was arguing your case for you about thoth and literally trying to garner support for lynching thoth, you come back and tell everyone to ignore everything I said and dismiss it as spam. You can't tell me this shit isn't personal.

I'm not putting the outcome of the game in the hands of 2 players who are putting their own interests ahead of town.

I think you are just rage baiting at this point, because this really makes 0 sense.

My second post in the game I said this:

"As far as Mestari's point here, I am going to try and fulfill my win con and be the biggest guild, however if at any point not being the biggest guild becomes an issue between finding scum, I will 100% be okay with not getting first place if it means beating scum."

I claimed guild leader immediately, if I was serving my own interest there is no reason to do this. You asked me to out my recruits and I did immediately. You voted thoth, I agreed with your reasoning and voted him right after. If you have beef with me or something just say it. I am literally damned if I do with you, damned if I don't. What the fuck did I do to you?

Just a heads up I will not be entertaining a wryly vote, and I town read her.

I'm not clear on what TMI is. Does it mean you said something you should not know if you are town, or does it mean you shared information that could help scum? Or both?

"Too much information" Basically saying stuff you shouldn't know. I think I used it loosely in the last thing I mentioned and used it as more of a "You are giving us too much information about what your scum play is and hoping we think you wouldn't do that as scum therefor you are town"..

Fair. Would be good to have a train and counter train just so a decision gets made by people.

We kind of have that in the mestari train, he at one point was the largest wagon and had something like 5 or 6 votes on him didnt he? Now he's widely townread. It would not surprise me one bit if there were a couple scum on that wagon.

The person in my thread is 100% town. No question and I guess we will find out who that is if he ever gets close to being lynched

Cool I feel the same way about Rex atm.

This used to piss me off about him but it's been useful at bringing this community together and making this site even happen. He was very useful as the focal point and the glue for this

Agreed. Mikal is probably the only person who could even attempt to get a 17 player game together lol

So this game has a huge advantage for D1 in a single respect. That there is two confirmed town.

What if we get the entire player base on board with sheeping whatever vote one of the two of you decide? This would undercut any Mafia counter train from existing and as a strategy (right or wrong) would place the lynch in the hands of a town.

Do you to feel this is a good idea? Can we pressure players to follow through with this?

Its not a bad idea, but it seems me and wylted are already in line with our thoughts on thoth being scum, both of us are already voting that way. I think thoth's lynch is already guaranteed to happen, the only thing we are waiting for at this point is to hopefully see shining, vader and airmax post literally anything.

I'll shamelessly admit that, as I've said openly before, I prefer playing scum and high activity from me is a mild scumtell, but in this game I've been especially active mainly because I'm excited to have a game on here with this many players.

(sigh) This feels like more TMI and banana actually said the same thing. Sadly this doesn't help your case.

Lol the person you are referring to I felt town at the start but I dunno. I know my vote was on him there. But then KOhais actions legitimately felt scummy and then Mestari moved more to the null category at some point. It comes down to how much I trust my read that Kohai is scum. The more confident I think that Kohai is scum the more likely I think Mestari is town.

Alright let me rephrase that without the sarcasm joke lol.

Let's pretend for a sec that you didn't recruit mestari. Do you trust the person in your mason thread right now is town or is it still up in the air?

I know I'm not always a paragon of activity, especially at posting reads, but it baffles me why people sign up for a game and then don't participate, at least if they're clearly not too busy in real life to check on the thread.

I imagine it is because mikal is a great salesman. I can't get max to do anything, even download a video game to play with me. But I kind of take one "no" for an answer and move on. Mike will beg and spam post til they sign up and he somehow knows how to work max over lol. I see him convince max to do shit all the time lol. As far as the other inactives, they kind of are just always inactive so its nothing new.

I just know had I not been a guild leader than you made a mistake by not even attempting to recruit me.

I would kill for you. I would pick a target and take them down at your behest. I would be your greatest warrior.

Now I will probably be killed, but my sacrifice will not be in vain. I will go down as a super hero, as a legend as some sort of saint even. My guild will carry on and I will be the wind beneath their wings

I am not even joking when I say I actually was going to recruit you. I submitted it and everything, then as soon as mikal said Skeps was replacing FT, I removed you for him because I thought that town confirmed him for OGI reasons we don't have to get into, but yall know what im talking about.

I don't think it improves our chances of catching mafia for me to out the recruit and I don't think lunatic should out any of his either tbh.

Maybe after a few DPs when it's likely that we both fucked up somewhere and recruited scum

How confident are you that the *cough cough* anonymous person *cough cough* whomever that may be is town?

okay nice reads. You are cooking here. I am kind of town reading you.

The stalling of the Thoth wagon becomes odd if he's town, unless mafia is among the inactives. I think the slightly active players have had enough chance to join the wagon by now.

I don't think getting thoth lynched will be an actual issue, I just don't think people are as eager to end the day phase as you are. Many people myself included are really hoping to get an activity surge from inactive players before moving on.

Guild leaders wont test it? Why not?

tl;dr it accomplishes the same thing as just lynching him. If we succesfully recruit him we find out he is scum. If that happens whatever person recruited him is an automatic disadvantage against the other guild, since we need to be the biggest faction AND kill scum to win. If we need to get a lynch anyway, it just makes more sense for that person to be thoth. It gives us a lot of information from associative tells and will heavily implicate alyssa if he's scum, and if hes town its not the end of the world, its not like a mislynch dp1 is extremely uncommon. There is at least a lot of support both behavioral and mechanic going into thoths lynch, its not like we are doing it blindly.