1) Wryly and Luna are both scum
tbf I didn't even want to vote kohai remember? You were spam pinging me and I voted directly after that, so we could move on from it.
1) Wryly and Luna are both scum
tbf I didn't even want to vote kohai remember? You were spam pinging me and I voted directly after that, so we could move on from it.
hmm...
Did you read the first day phase at all? Because pie made it extremely obvious why he wanted kohai to claim.
wya
Inb4 "Scum got two fake claims and three questions for roles"
Yeah I know. We can still try to determine which role claims are fake or likely to be scum, etc.
I usually don't suggest these, but this might be one of those rare situations where I could be okay with a mass claim. I can confirm myself at least my role (as long as I claim before the person I can confirm claims), and if that person happens to be in those three that can help sort out the results a bit. Something to chew on.
Oh, and I have no fucking clue who it is. I wanna townread Shining for how specific he was about his meme thing, but he claimed a kind of unverifiable role. Obviously I was mad at Pie for pushing so hard on that Kohai wagon, but that's kind of just Pie being Pie. I'm null on him and Rex behaviorally and mechanically.
Of those three rex is the only one I don't have any sort of read on yet. I townread shining for the claim for mechanic reasons, doesn't make sense as a scum role and its technically verifiable if we wanted to gamble it, which I imagine is a real possibility in this player pool, thus not a good fake claim for shining to make as scum. He also claimed really early and risked a CC which is something I doubt he would do, especially with out easily he could have been CC'ed. Popular is a very common role these days. Pie is more of a wifom based read, but I still feel good about him.
That's true if somebody will claim they sent that gift it would probably make the. Town and they in fact may be in the results and it could give us confidence in wrylys results to some extent. But then against why would anyone gift wryly that when she hammered Kohai there and we can't easily trust she is being honest even if given a gift the DP is so short several people could have town read her and it would be hard to narrow down who potentially gave her the gift
Wryly receiving the result after a mishammer is partially why I am dubious. Also consider that there could be an actual caroler who gave scum the results, and scum just altered their results. If thats the case, those three people are town and it majorly reduces POE. If by the end of this wryly is suspicious, lynching her could almost game solve. But yeah let's be thorough.
Ngl it kind of took some of the wind out of my sails for this game. Starting out with a costly and completely avoidable fuckup tastes pretty bitter. Especially considering they got the Inventor too.
Chin up butter cup, we got scum to catch! Look on the bright side. Like I said earlier, scum don't have as much POE to work with as they could have if we pressured like 5 people for claims just to mislynch anyways. I lowkey think this was a good thing. I almost want to suggest quickly yolo lynching people dp1 in future games, but the other side of that is it ruins the fun for the person being lynched, and I know I wouldn't wanna be that person. At the end of the day, if you aint having fun, why even play?
I received a Carol, someone sent it to me.
Were you just told about receiving a carol and thats it? Were you given any information about the caroler and its mechs? Did you ask any questions about it etc? Basically any extra information you can give here would be great if you have any.
Who out of those three people do you think is likeliest to be scum and why?
So wryly lunatic team is bothering me. Lunatic would do an accidental simultaneous hammer play. It's in his playbook and so is the dreamer thing to get multiple mislynches in a row and so he would give the ideal to wryly.
Not saying I believe this but I think I have to maybe figure out how to test that theory if shining flips town.
We should take these results with a major grain of salt btw. Being down one mislynch, going through and lynching down the line of results is a guaranteed way to lose this game. Trust me, I used this exact strategy as scum before. Until we can town confirm wryly in some way, I am not eager to jump into pressuring these people. Also I at the very least want whoever the caroler is to claim.
Did someone send you results or are they your own? I assume its not the latter but I am double checking.
I'm not the one who was pressuring me for a character claim
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no. it’s not Kohai’s fault. you don’t run a guy up to L-2 not even 3 hours into game start. THE DAY STARTED WHILE I WAS FUCKING ASLEEP AND I SLEPT THROUGH ALL OF IT.
Since when has stamping your foot down and saying "NO IM NOT CLAIMING" ever helped or worked out for town? You are going to get mislynched doing that every time. If you are a good liar, at best you lie, if you can't, the safest bet is to just come clean and hope it works out. I am not arguing that the reasoning for pressuring him was surefire or anything, just that at a certain point you either comply or be lynch. It is known.
https://music-memes.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/b153c3da-27cd-4eaa-b6fa-27fc2cbac60f/gif
Fact checking claims like this would've been invaluable
Yeah guess you shouldn't have hammered him you fiend!
Just checking in, I just woke up, going back to sleep. See you later
Literally what was the point lol
I received a Carol. There is at least one scum in ILikePie5, RexFavilla, Shining
How did you recieve results if you were roleblocked? Asking thoth about this real quick, maybe since you were given them it works different.
Why you holding out on the results girl
Also I doubt pie would kill banana as scum unless he had some reason to think she was a power role. I really don't know why banana was killed. My guess is because she wasn't really part of the mislynch fiasco yesterday and maybe scum thought she would get too much town cred from her lack of participation in it? That or it's a noob scum team, or someone trying to make it look like a noob scum team.
I get the game started a bit late, but seriously where tf is everyone? I figured this day phase would be poppin after the short one from yesterday.
Also a little bit of a wifom town read on Pie, we all know pie wouldn't have taken ten years to submit night actions.
I'd venture to say if pie is a character in this game, he's probably a compulsive visiting modifier or something like that, because thoth has made multiple references to Pie's impatience in the past lol.
Looking back there wasn’t even a full minute that passed between mine and wrylys vote. Yeah I can give her a bit of leeway for that
I’m not opposed to some wryly pressure on the off chance that was an intentional hammer. She says she has some information though so we can wait it out
Do you know I am town or is it somebody else. If it's somebody else we can really narrow the scum. Pool here. If it's me than its pointless .
I don't know who it is yet, but if they soft at any point or are good at hinting I can probably figure it out. I am not super worried about it atm. They will be town confirmed regardless.
If it is 2 scum with one TP and the TP sides with scum it could be problematic though
I think if you wanna fuck around with third parties as a mod, you need a bigger game than 9 people. Hopefully thoth is a reasonable mod.
Also KOhais fault for being stubborn. Then again if you are going to be picked on that way I also think it's useful to take a stand and just refuse to claim as well. But only after a few games in a row, not the first game out the gate where you get tested that way
Yeah he probably should have claimed at l-2. Honestly not the worst thing that could have happened though, limited mafia POE a lot, usually we always fuck up and have half the players give up too much info dp1 just to mislynch anyway, then mafia just has a fuck ton of POE. We might have some results now. Sucks we lost inventor though.
Also are we at MYLO right now?
I don't see how, but if it is, we are in a very scum sided game.
How convinced are we that that was an accidental hammer. It's unlikely for two scum to coordinate that but honestly I would do it as scum if I thought we could get away with it for WIFOM reasons
I am open to the idea, I wasn't super serious about that wryly town read. I can also see it just being legit an accident as either affiliation.
Bro, I even said in the OP I am not the original author. It was tvellot (sp?).
I wasn't trying to say you were the original author, just that you were the guy who posted that thread. Thought maybe she would recognize you better from that since your name was permanently archived at the top of the games thread for years because of that thread.
...also not a name I recognize? xD Though after looking them up on DART I can't recall that we had ever interacted.
He was the creator of the famous mafia guide that was pinned in the games section for years.
I have some light information, but I don't see any point to out it at this moment. It really just kind of town confirms someone who will be town confirmed anyway, so unless I see any information that gives me reason to oust this, I will keep it in the back pocket for now.
I was typing to respond to you when the day phase got closed, but the reason I don't think Lie Detector is a major loss is honestly because historically the role kind of sucks. There was a period of time on DDO where the role was very commonly used. However is slowly got phased out. A straight up cop is much less of a head ache most of the time.
But you run into issues like: What statements can be lie detected, yes or no statements only or anything? Does a lie neccesarily mean scum? Town lie frequently to bait night kills, or if they have a strong role and don't want scum to know, or say if someone says they are a 1x doctor and you lie detect it, find out they are lying, but the reason they lied is because they were an every night doctor and didn't want mafia to night kill them because they want them to think it would be wasted, etc. Like there is just so many nuance situations with it. Then we had a meta where people would start every game saying "I win with the town" specifically for the lie detector role, but certain mods thought that was unfair and just didn't allow it because at that point you might as well just call it a cop. Idk the role has backfired a million times before for town, it just kind of blurs the lines. There might be an odd game or two I remember it actually catching scum, but I definitely don't remember ever being blown away by that role.