Mestari

Gonna be honest. Nobody on mestaris train legitimately scum reads him, so Kohai feels opportunistic here.

Opportunistic or noob? Looks noob to me.

VTNL is retarded here, and it’s scummy to even suggest it.

Vote Mestari plz

Ooh, finally something worth talking about. Why is it alignment indicative for the player who outspokenly thinks DP1 scum hunting is worthless to suggest a VTNL DP1?

Further, once you explain why it is AI, explain why it is SAI.

For research, you can look at the sign up thread and my entire DDO history.

Someone else

Go read the discord before you embarrass yourself more.

I do kind of see Mestari's logic, but I don't think repeated VTNLs are worth denying ourselves the information from flips.

I explicitly believe that enabling power roles and having a night where both sides agree to use roles and not recruit is beneficial to the town. I have nothing more to say on the topic. I don't see how you don't get it.

@Magic, I hardly remember mharmon but the feeling the name gives me is good.

No math required. First off, we are on odds, so there's basically no reason to VTNL. Secondly, with this many roles, we have no way of knowing how the kill math could play out, e.g., there could be extra NKs, dayvigs, a lot of protection, etc. So I think we say fuck the unknown quantities and lynch for maximum information.

We're on odds, but there's no NK tonight.

@Luna your post is too long and I'm not reading it.

I dont immediately hate the VTNL idea but lemme do the math rq

also not gonna hop on your wagon just yet

The VTNL plan is to VTNL for multiple days quickly so we can enable power roles then use them, not just VTNL DP1.

And what do you mean by "just yet"?

Mestari would be right I think if Kohai was a guild leader, or even me. But Luna and Wylted tend to not have wagons build on them DP1 so that lessens the impact a bit. Still I personally would have kept that card up my sleeve to hit them with in later DPs but its not the end of the world.

Post facto justification.

Also, do you remember who I was on DDO/DART?

I remember there being someone named magic, but they didn't make enough of an impression for me to remember more.

Not town-confirming the leaders makes an interesting mindgame where townies could fake-claim to bait kills from the real guild leaders and the guild leaders would have to decide whether it's kill-baiting or scum trying to pocket town. I can see now why Mikal didn't officially confirm them.

Not really because the recruits can confirm them.

4 days.

I am Choi Jong-In)

Leader of the. Hunters

Who would have fucking thought. Hello there, the proof of my fucking point.

I still don't get the benefits. "If people push me they will be wrong, so let's preclude the possibility of any behavioral analysis being derived from said potential push." Wrong reads are still useful reads. How many times has town mislynched every single time until lylo then won the game? These are some of the most important wagons to analyze, and you stripped the tire off one before it even got going because you didn't want to spend time allowing the tracks to be laid.

Nah specifically make an argument for why revealing that the other town leader tried to recruit him will have a negative impact

Because he's already increased the likelihood of a certain subset of players could be confirmed town. Not only is this information useless to town at this point, it helps the mafia more effectively strategize.

But let's move on. Everything my good old friend Lunatic has done so far is not what I would have done in his shoes, but the discussion of his actions are getting to the point of distracting from the game. I said I'm done making my point on the topic, and unless there's a beneficial reason to continue, I'm done elaborating on it was well. It's become a distraction.

Look up a guy named Barney Vincelette and his Protest Sonata for Calliope of Diesel Truck Horns

Sir, there are too many words in that post that I either don't know or sound like a red neck reunion. I'm good not knowing more.

You probably missed it while I was shit posting. Understandable.

It's not complicated. If we mislynch we're going to go back and look at the wagon after knowing for a fact that the dead player is Town, and use that info productively, yes? So why not let a wagon build on a player who can confirm themselves as town before dying. You get to analyze the wagon and not mislynch. Fucking crazy idea.

Jeez we're really going all in on Mes right out the gate

We're going for the new gangbang world record.

Btw, I'm not going to claim. Mostly because I don't feel like it. It's kinda like when the homeowners association president told me I couldn't play loud music after 10pm so I started blasting white noise on the boom box outside their house.

Can we stop giving scum free info like the fact that the other guild leader attempted to recruit you? That says something about one of the confirmed town players. If we're going to just give a manuscript then speed lynch me instead. Trust me when I say to just let the structural components of the game go unspoken about for a day or two.

Don’t really matter cause there’s a chance scum know he’s the recruiter anyways

It's a sub 50% chance and one of the best opportunities we have to abuse scum lack of knowledge.

I take it the guild leaders are not officially town-confirmed and are expected to self-confirm whenever they want by not being counter-claimed?

Yes.

I agree. VTL Mestari.

What do you mean "what"? It's not complicated. If we mislynch we're going to go back and look at the wagon after knowing for a fact that the dead player is Town, and use that info productively, yes? So why not let a wagon build on a player who can confirm themselves as town before dying. You get to analyze the wagon and not mislynch. Fucking crazy idea.

Like, I don't understand my guy. "I don't want us to waste time getting reads that may be alignment indicative on me when I can confirm myself later. Let's limit the mafia's ability to make mistakes, and it's okay because maybe town makes the mistake too!"

Oh well, you already screwed the pooch so I'm done making my point. If the other guild leader outs though, I'm jumping off a bridge.

Bro you've been around long enough to know that the optimal play is to hide mod confirmability as long as possible. You're rusty.

You missed my vote on myself. It may be hidden under Mikal's voter suppression tactics.

This shit is why I say fuck the white tiger guild. Mid ass guild with a mid ass leader

Twat

You fucking twar

Absolutely not. Mafia doesn't know who is mod confirmed town until recruited. Let them push someone who can mod confirm themselves later instead of telling the mafia it's a fucking no fly zone

Nope. And the fact that I wasn't recruited already means the guild leaders are bad at the game. I'm the SJW of Mafia and they didn't want me in there guild. There's two words for that. Shit and wrong.

How do we want to deal with the recruitment thingy? We can't recruit and use abilities in the same night, so it may be beneficial to vtnl a few times to get recruitment up and activate more roles without shortening the game by lynching.

On a side note, I'm disregarding which guild wins in my personal consideration of whether I've "won" or "lost" this game. If town wins and my guild has less members, I win. I don't give a fuck what the Mod says.

This is 100% pandering to me. There's no way this person didn't read my posts in the pregame and think, "Oh my goodness, Mestari is such a good player and I want to pocket them so I'm going to be an echo chamber for their thoughts." And, to be honest, it's warm in this pocket.

Fuck ice. Fuck the police. And most of all, fuck the white tiger guild.

I'm not far right, you just can't read. The far right (Mikal) is the one engaged in suppressing my vote. I also wonder if he'll include my vote in the vote count or if he's truly devolved into tyranny.