Mestari

Why are we not lynching Pie again?

Also, somebody tell me who Thoth is please.

You refuse to read the support.

Lowkey Alyssa might be the godfather. There are reasons for this I will not disclose at this time. Just putting it out there.

For what it's worth, no NP1 kill means we treat the game as if we're on evens.

On evens you get a free no lynch. 6 players, 2 scum, 4 town, if you no lynch the mafia reduces the game to 2v3 reducing the poe.

Okay well if you remember transformers mafia at all then you'll know to trust me.

We shouldn't talk about when we received role PMs. There's all kinds of reason for variance. Let's drop out of game info being used as analysis.

You are TUF, right?

Why are we talking so much about softs? God gave us Viagra for a reason.

What name?

Do I know Thoth from DDO?

Lunatic

I had two succesful recruits where wylted only had one so far, so I am already beating him. Also I would have to trust him not playing to his wincon and him trust me for this to work.

You don't even know that you are beating him. If you recruited 1 mafia and he didn't, you're tied.

Now chop chop and tell us who you recruited and who you are going to recruit.

Lunatic

Not opposed to this, I will have to think about the pros and cons a little longer though to make sure this is optimal.

It is optimal. If it's not then blame the loss on me. You modded transformers mafia. Have some faith.

The point of the Mason comment isn't saying that they don't have chats, it's saying that we're not assuming mafia aren't already in them and strategizing in private.

Thoth

I think it's actually wiser to say fuck recruiting and just use your actions. With probably six people in guild chats, there's a good chance that Mafia have zero wiretaps now and I don't think taking that risk is worth waiving night actions.

We're not operating under the assumption that guild chats are mason chats. That's silly. We want more power roles active. There are a lot of night phases to go. Let's get long term value. Trust the process.

Lunatic

Mestari isn't dumb. He is actually imo the best we've seen on DDO. I hate saying that because I don't want to boost his ego. He is a bit of an asshole, but that is neither here nor there.

Fixed that for you.

Whiteflame

Been meaning to come back to this. I think this is an excellent idea. I think recruiting NP1 should be a given (no NK definitely helps there, and each Guild needs to build up its numbers so they have more night actions to use), then it becomes a question of how often they would agree to do it. Seems worth considering, especially if the Guilds can joint win with the same number of recruits.

I specifically think that the guild leaders should out who they have already recruited and who they will recruit at night so that we can maximize the number of recruited players for the night where we agree to not recruit at all and use all of our actions at the same time. Wasting recruits by targeting the same people means less roles get activated on the big night.

No because mafia who are recruited already and people who die later don't count. It's a stupid mechanic that I'm choosing to ignore because it sets the town up to fail. This is a prisoners experiment where winning is ignoring it altogether. The idea that you play towards the guild wincon means (1) sacrificing the use of town power roles to gain numbers that do nothing to help the town win so long as you continue recruiting, and (2) creates scenarios where you must lynch town over mafia deliberately to win.

Wryly

Why did Mikal need to specify that dead players don't count toward faction totals

Are there roles that have utility after death and might blur the line enough to require that clarification?

Because the town is going to cannibalize itself trying to have more players in their guild.

For further clarification, there's a valid reason to use generic frameworks to read players you don't know. But then rejecting the opportunity to later actually analyze the player as they play in favor of continuing to use generic frameworks, that doesn't appear to me as legitimate scumhunting.

Yeah, I'm going to stick on Pie for now. He's pivoting between targets he sees as easy, not making reads directly tied to player behavior, shifting the burden of accuracy from himself to a confirmed townie to dissolve himself off accountability. It's giving either scum, or if he's town it's giving FT vibes. What I mean by that is refusing to ever accept being wrong and positioning himself to claim he wasn't wrong if it was clear he was. So if you tell me it's FT in a trench coat I'd buy he's town, but I'm happy with where my vote is for the evening.

His writing style would indicate he is legitimately drunk right now though so I would be cautious about attributing too much to analyzing his style at the very least but his thoughts should be harder to veil in that state

I'm not about to make a game relevant comment, but how does one get "legitimately drunk" off Moscato?

CreamPie

Doesnt really matter to me cause it’s WIFOM. Base case objectively it’s scummy, or you’re just dumb, which is a possibility I’m starting to warm up to.

To be clear, you are rejecting confirmable player specific behavioral tendencies to instead overlay a generalistic scum behavior framework? And you're backing off that push, not with behavioral analysis but with a non-committal ad-hominem. And you're doing this as the wagon shows itself to be dead. And you're moving into the next easiest wagon?

So you have no actual stance yet that actually relates to trying to read a player as a player. You're using non-specific principles to pressure people at this point in the DP?

VTL creamPie

Please don't dodge my questions. It makes me sad.

Thoth

I'd like to suggest that we DISCUSS softing whether we are a show character or ourselves. Not that we do it, but that we discuss whether or not we should do it.

No.

Magic

Do you think mafia would be risky enough to suggest a VTNL tho? No matter what, it attracts attention to the person suggesting it.

I think it's just his idea that's not really a good idea

Since you don't know me that well, I will inform you that you shouldn't town read me for drawing attention to myself. Drawing attention to myself isn't alignment indicative at all. I'm just a middle child.

He made a joke and you're overanalyzing it. Go sleep off the wine

To further expand, I famously open claimed godfather once as godfather in a game with a lie detector and got the lie detector lynched when they got a "True" result on my statement that I was the godfather. It was a throwback reference.

I admit I may be a bit tipsy from my four cups of wine but bro your reaction isn't giving you any town points

How do I say this kindly... At no point will I ever give a fuck about earning town points. My reaction is about not being a complete jerk to someone I don't know.

On a side note, what's the wine???

The mod disclosed that there are 4 mafia

My brother or sister in Christ, I'm not a kind enough person to explain this to you. I will let someone nicer than me have this discussion with you.

What chat were you supposed to put this in?

I was supposed to put it in the chat that I put it in.

You are new! That's cute. We have a pup to raise!