Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/7/2026 at 2:11 PM (post #270)
With the vig dead we should be able to VTNL
let’s not make a decision just yet.
VTL: No Lynch
im dead tonight but with 6 townies here we improve our odds of getting helpful night results… as opposed to us doing this earlier.
The vig being dead is irrelevant because he could kill town or scum. It doesn't give us additional mislynches.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 2:07 PM (post #267)
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/6/2026 at 5:07 PM (post #181)
Ugh I'm done phoneposting just lost my giant wall post. Long story short I think WF and Luna are in a semi1:1. If Luna is the town BG I dont see scum WF pulling this, hed just keep that info to himself. Luna, if you ARE town redirector I think WF is scum pulling the rolecop gambit. If Luna is scum roleblocker well then WF is town and Luna is scum. Will elaborate further later.
Are you going to elaborate on this point at any time, or are you just going to keep pretending you did and that I've refused to address it?
Everything WF has said has kind of not helped my impression of him. I also think his flip will be more revealing. I also feel like WF's analysis of me particularly has just felt off. Like he's not trying to really figure out if I'm town or scum but is rather trying to cut the legs out from any argument that could frame me as town. It really reminds me of his play last game where he was TP.
In my last response to you, I asked you to expand on the argument you made so that we can actually discuss your read of me. Your response since then has been to claim that my lack of response to your conclusion somehow implicates me. I've been waiting, even said I'd respond first thing this morning if you posted it, and you've continued to provide nothing. I don't know what you want me to analyze, but I've been asking for more and it doesn't feel like I'm getting anywhere.
I was going to post a larger iteration of the basics of that post, which were that I thought the possibilities were
Luna/WF T/T - Luna is bodyguard
Luna/WF S/T - Luna is scum redirector
Luna/WF T/S - Luna is town redirector
My thinking with this setup was that if you were town you would immediately take umbrage at the third - that if Luna was a town redirector that you could not earnestly scumread him as a town player. I feel like if I were town and had worked through the possibilities of your results in my head and somebody precluded me from sussing a town redirector as town it would be something I would immediately call out because I would have done just that in my own head. But if I was scum faking it? It wouldn't immediately stick out to me as much because I wouldn't actively be reasoning through all the possibilities trying to make sense of my results. If you had picked up on that I would have townread you on it. You didn't. And ever since then the DP has felt very political - like you didn't want to drive a wagon on me but wanted to cut the legs off of any argument that I was town to build consensus against me and let other people build it - maybe your scummate, maybe just mislead town.
I don't support a no lynch. I'd honestly rather you lynch me so you can see I'm town and pick up on the way WF has been acting this DP and move the game forward. If we no lynch the game will just stagnate,
Everything WF has said has kind of not helped my impression of him. I also think his flip will be more revealing. I also feel like WF's analysis of me particularly has just felt off. Like he's not trying to really figure out if I'm town or scum but is rather trying to cut the legs out from any argument that could frame me as town. It really reminds me of his play last game where he was TP.
Like the idea that I could go after any kind of target as town or scum. It's not a hard stance or anything that can be pushed back on, just argumentative grey goo that dissolves an argument that somebody else made.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/6/2026 at 10:48 PM (post #218)
I need everyone to name exactly one person who they would lynch right now, gun to your head
WF. This whole time I set up my criticism of him where if he really was town I feel like it would be natural for him to question why I was setting my poe up in a way that precluded him from being town and being genuinely sussing a town Luna redirector. I feel like if he were town that would ne the natural first response - why could town me not be suspicious of a town redirector luna? Instead he's been more lawyery then I'd like and it feels a bit unctuous.
You can lynch me, I'm not claiming just because I replaced in. Going tor claims in this game is retarded anyway, it's completeky open ended. We already forced the doc to claim for literally no reason.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/6/2026 at 9:21 PM (post #204)
Originally Posted by wylted on 7/6/2026 at 5:22 PM (post #196)
Lunatic essentially admitted to being a redirector. Mentioned the balance thing after Thoth claimed so immediately soft claimed it essentially when 1x bullet proof would be easier .
I but the theory that this is a role cop thing and he's like "fuck I guess we can't kill lunatic and steal stah claim"
So he does the second best thing
It's a very plausible thing.
It feels like whiteflame is scum every time I play with him though and I have a pang of guilt for sussing him
I did not admit to being redirector. You are reading too much into that, the comment about balance was also made before whiteflame said his result on me.
If you were BP you'd be trying to lynch Magic right now.
Really think we should lynch between Luna and WF
Magic's claim complicates Luna being BP which is the only situation where I see Luna vs WF being T/T
Originally Posted by wylted on 7/6/2026 at 7:22 PM (post #196)
I but the theory that this is a role cop thing and he's like "fuck I guess we can't kill lunatic and steal stah claim"
So he does the second best thing
It's a very plausible
This was my thought. You've git a JOAT. Rolecop is the suckiest ability so you blow it NP1. Get a redirector on a town player. Optimal play is to make up this role caroler thing to create mislynch pressure. Then you can gain town cred by picked a claimed town player that you've pocketed and use your fake role to 'confirm' their role after faking a scum read on them.
Ugh I'm done phoneposting just lost my giant wall post. Long story short I think WF and Luna are in a semi1:1. If Luna is the town BG I dont see scum WF pulling this, hed just keep that info to himself. Luna, if you ARE town redirector I think WF is scum pulling the rolecop gambit. If Luna is scum roleblocker well then WF is town and Luna is scum. Will elaborate further later.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/6/2026 at 10:21 AM (post #156)
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/6/2026 at 9:38 AM (post #154)
VTL: whiteflame
I'll bite: care to explain?
Bad vibes.
VTL: whiteflame
So three day DPs. I will be pretty busy for the weekend of the fourth, but I should be able to post a lot more on Monday.
Love that Thoth and Mikal both lied about their roles, which made it appear like more of a CC than it was, and then neither clarified. Love when town lies for no good reason and then gets mislynched.
Mikal kill is weird. Maybe he had scum in his scumreads and they were afraid of getting shot? With Thoth flipping town he was a good mislynch target due to the pseudo-CC, as well as vig generally being a good mislynch target.
VTL: Thoth
Damn this shit is almost over.
I'm leaning Thoth. Negative utility role that is basically a CC of Mikal, behavior looks shitty, lots of interactions with other players and wagoning to analyze next DP.
Christopher Langan is a character? Several old DDO members have actually corresponded with him pretty extensively. One older member even got Christopher Langan to say 'I love you' to him in a Discord chat.
A fun addition to the off-topic Jew discourse:
Liking Wryly so far, not liking Thoth. Mikal and Thoth seem to be in some kind of CC as their roles both can't exist - some kind of PGO and an every-night vig in a ten player game? There are definitely scum on my wagon earlier today - inactive towny is a perfect ML target because they are easy to push and because the flip isn't really useful to town.
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/3/2026 at 5:54 AM (post #174)
Bananapeelingpiling on my wagon so enthusiastically after Wryly is odd, but almost TWTBAW. I’d vote there for now if it weren’t a sort of OMGUS.
This seems scummy. Who cares if it's OMGUS? If they seem scummy, that's a good enough reason to vote them. Seems like a scum mentality of being self-conscious about hopping on wagons they know are town and justifying it.
It's late and I don't have time to read this shit, I'll chime in tomorrow. Don't kill me, I'm town!
I think I will just delay the game for a couple weeks as everyone just looks like they want a break from Mafia.
I honestly think the ooo thing is such an edge case it doesn't matter. An unbalanced game has so much more of an effect on the gameplay and sportsmanship than that ever would and we dont regulate that outside of shittalkimg in endgames.
I mean you're talking about bizarre role interactions in a theoretical complex setup where things can get murky and in which nobody asked the mod a clarifying question about a specific bizarre interaction which then happens. So in this extremely obscure and uncommon situation, our Schrodinger's mod might press their finger on the scale. That's a risk I'm willing to take for the added excitement that open ended and custom roles bring when town is in the dark about them.
Tbh I feel like a lot of other sites strip a lot of fun out of their games to autistically min/max fairness.
ILikePie5 wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Thanks Wylted for making the game on-theme and vibing with Wryly and I in your last DP. Thanks Wryly for keeping me sane. Helz you were super frustrating lol, you being confirmed town is the only reason my scum reads were 100% accurate. I would have scumread the hell out of you without that.
If it makes you feel better, I put you at 90% town at the end of NP1, and Mikal wanting to lynch you over Ultra basically outted him, so I had to act to stay alive and get actions off
Yeah your behavioral/logical 180 in the last DP was when I knew 100% there was a recruitment mechanic lol.
Banana wrote:
so why was i told i could replace in and then ghosted…
Affirmative action, already admitted too many Asians
Thanks Wylted for making the game on-theme and vibing with Wryly and I in your last DP. Thanks Wryly for keeping me sane. Helz you were super frustrating lol, you being confirmed town is the only reason my scum reads were 100% accurate. I would have scumread the hell out of you without that.
Wryly wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Do... do you not want to win with us? No reason you can't.
I don't want to win with you. I'd rather lose with Banana, wylted, and Kohai.
Fuck Thoth I guess.
whiteflame wrote:
So yeah, I'll lay it all out.
I'm the TP. I wasn't lying about what my role did, save one caveat: I'm also the Cult Leader and everyone who accepts my offer is not only protected from the NK on that night, they're recruited to my cult. Currently, that includes everyone in the Mason chat, so Helz, Mikal and Pie. We determined that there's no reason to leave anyone else out of the fun at this point, hence the lack of a NK last night. As long as we VTNL and scum continue to waive the NK, I can recruit each of you over the following 3 nights. That means everyone's in the cult, and only two players have to be before we reach parity for the cultists to win. We win above all other factions, so it would be just the 7 of us taking home the W.
I literally had this crackpot theory in my head last DP, that's why I asked you if you were actually the Mason.
