Last night I activated a Commuter, which I assume is why there was no NK. The lack of inquiry into this is curious to me.
Hmmm, seems like a very good NK target if I was being set up as the final mislynch.
Last night I activated a Commuter, which I assume is why there was no NK. The lack of inquiry into this is curious to me.
Hmmm, seems like a very good NK target if I was being set up as the final mislynch.
MeowMix wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
MeowMix wrote:
rex who is the scumteam this game
You, Ultra, and a third player. My guess would be either Mikal or Whiteflame.
Yeah, pairing me with your scum partner doesn't actually work btw. And I didn't mean ultra either.
You were literally distancing yesterday.
Wait are you scum reading Mikal lol?
MeowMix wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
MeowMix wrote:
rex who is the scumteam this game
You, Ultra, and a third player. My guess would be either Mikal or Whiteflame.
Yeah, pairing me with your scum partner doesn't actually work btw. And I didn't mean ultra either.
You were literally distancing yesterday.
Lol, my 'scum partner' whom I came to within a hair of lynching DP2 and whose wagon I helped to start, and whose ass you saved by doggedly refusing to consider any lynch other than Wylted? Yeah, he really looks like my scum partner.
And yeah, if you want to call not lynching town for two DPs 'distancing', thats a novel use of the term.
MeowMix wrote:
rex who is the scumteam this game
You, Ultra, and a third player. My guess would be either Mikal or Whiteflame.
VTL Meowmix
Apparently not.
I am town, the vanilla statement is true, and you and ultra are scum.
This is reality. It makes sense given your and my actions this game and ultra's fumbled wincom paraphrase. The others do not. Only hope town sees it and we can bag two scum.
MeowMix wrote:
damn I thought rex would actually put up a fight or claim something else or anything. what the fuck is happening with the wolves this game
What's there to fight about? You set up a 1:1. Nobody townread Ultra. You derailed the DP2 wagon on him to fixate on Wylted, a townie, resulting in a no lynch. Your slot was awol DP1. DP3 you did very little except apparently work on this fakeclaim in scumchat and set up a fake LD statement hunt, as you knew we were lynching town that day and only had to worry about driving that final mislynch home.
I fought the Wylted wagon for two days and tried to lynch Ultra DP2. You've done nothing productive this whole game, and plenty to kneecap town. One of me and ultra has to be town if the vanilla statement is true. One of me or you is town if your LD detector results are true. So its down to if town thinks:
I am town, the vanilla statement is true, and you and ultra are scum.
I am scum, the vanilla statement is true, and you and Ultra are town
I and Ultra are scum, you are town and the vanilla statement is false
I'm holding out hope that they're smart enough to make the right choice
MeowMix wrote:
Why the fuck would lie detector be immune to redirects or some shit?
Because it targets a specific statement, not a specific player.
MeowMix wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Which means you're guaranteed scum and lying. If town isn't retarded this at least gives us a sure kill today.
You aren't even asking me what I lie detected from you dude. You're just squirming.
I literally stated my wincon last dp. If you aren't going to claim to have lie detected that you're retarded.
I really hope Ultra is scum because if he's town we're fucked with him being awol. But Meow being scum makes it much likely that Ultra is as well.
Which means you're guaranteed scum and lying. If town isn't retarded this at least gives us a sure kill today.
Lie detectors are pretty much immune to redirection, thats why they're broken.
MeowMix wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Imagine not being able to fakeclaim cop cause the LD is dead so you claim you scavenged her ability to clinch the final mislynch.
From your perspective, you should be disputing if the claim was manipulated, but you aren't.
We were just confronted with this question in another game.
Imagine not being able to fakeclaim cop cause the LD is dead so you claim you scavenged her ability to clinch the final mislynch.
This is an even lazier mylo gambit than I expected.
Helz wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
How are you so certain REF is town?
Cause she's town and not in a PM which is a scum brainstorming session.
Okay bro, then help me understand
Just read the last few DPs. Wryly and I have been the only ones trying to solve this game. All of you were doing nothing but mewling last DP because we weren't lynching town fast enough. If you Mikal and WF had your way we would have lynched Wylted in 20 minutes and we would have had zero behavior to analyze at all. How many times did Mikal do his soap opera routine about how dumb town was for not wanting to lynch town right away. No exploring other options. He's scum. If you're going to lynch me go for it. I'm sick of this game. Wryly is the only other competent town player here, the rest of you are either scum or retarded/lazy.
If Wryly is scum she deserves to win for at least being capable of simulating intelligence.
assuming you are town and disregarding the information I have that you do not, where do you feel I should push today?
Im looking at either a very tight PoE or a hard mech lie but I would love to hear your thoughts
Mikal was conveniently absent for the Ultra lynch. He pulled that whole failed vanilla shit to try and implicate me. He attempted to railroad the Wylted lynch yesterday. He was one of the only targets Banana could have tested aside from Wryly and would have been heavily incentivized to kill her as her other targets are now confirmed town and Wryly was a highly unlikely LD target compared to Mikal who Banana had FOSd.
WF has been carrying water for him all game and using rhetorical tricks to chip away at any counter-Mikal argument without ever steelmanning the case against him. His play is extremely scummy. But he also could just be being bamboozled by Mikal again.
The middle scum is I think either him or Meowmix. Meowmix and Helz pushed the Wylted wagon that stalled the Ultra wagon which resulted in a no-lynch. His play also reads as highly opportunistic to me, going after weak targets and diffusing scumhunting energy by starting wagons on a target who was in retrospect town. He's also hard defended Ultra.
Ultra I feel is scumjust by the way the players I think are scum responded to his wagon. WF hopped on at the last minute- so he would know whoever his other scummate is would not hop on, while Mikal 'couldn't log on' and Meowmix doggedly pursued a pointless counterwagon. All of these things seem like scum responses to a scum wagon. In the absence of Ultra actually posting, this makes me think Ultra is scum.
Lemme guess what happened:
Helz was pulled up into the scum treehouse because he has had an irrational hateboner for me all gane and I was the mislynch for today.
Hes the obvious NK target and it's going to be MYLO. Scum will win after mislynching this DP whether they killed last night or not. So one of them pretends to have protected him to get ironclad towncred for the final DP while they waive the kill. Its either scum are smart enough to do that or they're dumb enough to kill the obvious protection target and get blocked. The way they've been playing, I'm betting on the former.
ILikePie5 wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
How are you so certain REF is town?
Cause she's town and not in a PM which is a scum brainstorming session.
Okay bro, then help me understand
Just read the last few DPs. Wryly and I have been the only ones trying to solve this game. All of you were doing nothing but mewling last DP because we weren't lynching town fast enough. If you Mikal and WF had your way we would have lynched Wylted in 20 minutes and we would have had zero behavior to analyze at all. How many times did Mikal do his soap opera routine about how dumb town was for not wanting to lynch town right away. No exploring other options. He's scum. If you're going to lynch me go for it. I'm sick of this game. Wryly is the only other competent town player here, the rest of you are either scum or retarded/lazy.
If Wryly is scum she deserves to win for at least being capable of simulating intelligence.
ILikePie5 wrote:
How are you so certain REF is town?
Cause she's town and not in a PM which is a scum brainstorming session.
Why are you asking me for a claim? I claimed two DPs ago. I'm Canadians and Vanillan
Damn, well at least I dragged the DP out and got some people to engage rather than just railroading a wylted lynch.
To be completely honest the only thing that makes me consider town wylted is you two wanting to just turbolynch him at a juncture where a mislynch could be deadly.
We have very little time left in the game. Why not explore other options and contribute even if we lynch Wylted in the end? I see no occasion to throw a tantrum and sulk over people playing the game - unless you're scum lol.
This feels so performative from Mikal. And last DP he also lied about Pie and WF both supporting his crackpot vanilla theory in the PM only for them both to come out and poke holes in it.
MeowMix wrote:
We can just lynch you instead and Mikal tomorrow. If Wylted is 3P he can hang out until he stops making me laugh. I'm okay with that gameplan.
If you lynch me the game is over so have fun with that.
We've got plenty of time to poke around before deciding the lynch, I think these two wagons are quite nice as is.
MeowMix wrote:
Sorry, I mean.
Whats you're wincon.
Pretty sure the first time was right?
MeowMix wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
MeowMix wrote:
Different idea actually @RexFavilla are you there?
Yes?
What's your wincon.
I win with the town.
MeowMix wrote:
Different idea actually @RexFavilla are you there?
Yes?
I focused on living players. Apart from Mikal, Helz clarified his wincon, though we know he's town. So did Pie (he said "You win with town" but that was in response to a question about his PM). So did Wryly. So did Wylted. Yet this was your argument:
Pies statement is not LDable. Wylted's is of limited LDability due to the 'you'. Helz is confirmed town. Wryly's I did miss due to the way I ctrl-F'd, but behavioral she seems very town and Mikal seems very scummy. Wylted iirc also popped in on DP2 to say Banana was obviously LD. Do you see him doing this after he just killed her because he surmised that?
whiteflame wrote:
The post above is a great example. I think the reasoning is shockingly weak for you. Banana took the risk of exposing herself to extract those clear, LD-able statements. The idea that she would then forego those affiliation-testing statement for some other random one is bonkers. Especially considering she was deeply suspicious of Mikal because he also claimed his character was described as smelly. He was absolutely the prime target, yet you are looking for reasons to handwave this away.
There is a difference between being uncertain of someone because of a piece of information and outright sussing them as a result. I am uncertain of Mikal. You are outright sussing him.
You look at this evidence, ignore that other people also gave affiliation confirmable statements in the same DP that didn’t follow that exact format, and then just assume that Mikal is most likely scum because..: his statement is more direct? Am I reading this right?
I really don’t love how your argument is basically just straw-manning my point: that your means of POE here doesn’t make sense (as though the only two people Banana would have plausibly used her role on are either dead or Mikal), and bringing the entirety of Banana’s reads down to calling out Mikal’s claim of being smelly. Yes, that was one thing she mentioned. She also talked about Ultra and his intransigence DP1. She pushed on MeowMix to tell her his wincon and, because Wylted hammered Kohai, only got pushback. You’re telling me that she wouldn’t search for anything indicating alignment in their statements just because it wasn’t exactly what she was asking for?
None of this is a solid indicator to me, it’s just suggestive at best, and it should place a lot more people into POE for you. I don’t get how you’re so certain at all.
Do you have an example of either of those players making a clear LD-able statement? I know Meow didnt, he sarcastically replied with 'I win with fruit'. I dont recall seeing anything from Ultra. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of being curious about this, investigating, and finding these hypothetical posts that could broaden the poe you are approaching the argument like a debater on the other side of the issue, looking for any chink in the armor for the sole purpose of debunking. It reads either like tmi or carrying water for a scummate, and it absolutely pervades your posts this game.
It also makes your trepidation about Mikals affiliation seem fake, given that you were bamboozled by him in a PM just last game as town. It would be natural for you to be more suspicious of him, and warily looking for any slip ups. Instead, you seem to be looking for any excuse to townwave him while also performatively expressing doubts that never materialize into a push.
Yeah, I now have a better idea of what to look for. I’m also not the only one in that PM and not the only one with a townread on him after a good deal of conversation. That doesn’t mean I’m “townwaving” him, but no, I’m not going to sit here and pretend I see something I don’t see.
Wylted is null to me, and if anything he is sheeping me. I've been banging the Mikal/Ultra drum since yesterday.
Why? What makes you so willing to just null read him after everything that he’s said this DP, including claiming he’s the TP and backtracking? Are you just planning to ignore the fact that he was clearly trying to draw Helz into claiming his character last DP? Coming into this DP, saying that his exact set of 3 players is correct, and then immediately voting seems like sheeping to me, but hey, you’re the one following the lead of a… null read.
This also reads like an attempted smear of an opponent rather than a good-faith attempt to scumhunt. It doesn't address the fact that I was gunning for Mikal and Ultra, trying to pressure the former and lynch the latter, for most of last DP. I voted Mikal this DP and used Wylted to build a wagon. Its just dishonest framing to paint Wylted as the one driving the wagon and me following along because I townread him. If Wylted is TP he can still be used to scumhunt.
whiteflame wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
wylted wrote:
Decent chance end game is posted but if not remember we actually do have confirmed scum team of
Whiteflame, Mikal and ultra
Really starting to agree with you on this scum team at this point. I almost don't want to lynch you and go for Mikal or Ultra instead.
Can you explain this read… at all?
Mikal was one of the two players to write 'I win with the town' DP1 and banana ends up dead. I dont see scum killing her unless they realized she was LD after posting something she was likely to check given her status as a ripe moslynch target. The other person who did this is now town confirmed is now town confirmed.
As several people have already pointed out, those two weren't the only ones to post some variation of a wincon, though setting that aside, I don't think this is a very strong read. Banana could have used her LD to read any post someone made, so the idea that she would only consider those with stated wincons doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
His play feels limp and soggy, like he's flopping from one target to another with bad reasoning and then playing dumb. Like the vanilla poe from last DP.
You've seen he's been on Wylted all DP long, right? I get that he jumped around a bit last DP, but he's been clear and discussing his reads on every one of you who have claimed Vanilla in the Mason chat. It was pretty clear why he was sussing Vanillas as well. Hell, I was doing it and still am in this case. I wouldn't call it "bad reasoning" or say that he's playing dumb. This is so vague, man.
He also pushed a mass claim which lines up with scum that are sniffing around for Jews.
I didn't like the push for the massclaim either, but Wylted was practically shouting as often as he could about the existence of a Jew in the game. Mikal's general push stands out, but not Wylted's specific push? What is that?
For you its the fact that you are making arguments that feel forced to a certain conclusion and those conclusions are leaning consistently in one direction - supporting Mikal. But you are my weakest scum read out of the three.
It'd be really nice if you could actually point to posts where you think I'm doing this because I don't get it, man. I support Mikal in his conclusion in this case because this seems absurdly obvious.
The post above is a great example. I think the reasoning is shockingly weak for you. Banana took the risk of exposing herself to extract those clear, LD-able statements. The idea that she would then forego those affiliation-testing statement for some other random one is bonkers. Especially considering she was deeply suspicious of Mikal because he also claimed his character was described as smelly. He was absolutely the prime target, yet you are looking for reasons to handwave this away.
It also makes your trepidation about Mikals affiliation seem fake, given that you were bamboozled by him in a PM just last game as town. It would be natural for you to be more suspicious of him, and warily looking for any slip ups. Instead, you seem to be looking for any excuse to townwave him while also performatively expressing doubts that never materialize into a push.
Ultra is just such a nonentity this game that I think he's scum coasting like Shining in the last game.
Fine, I have my reasons for sussing Ultra as well.
So... where's your townread on Wylted coming through in all this? *gestures at the rampant flailing Wylted's been doing all DP long* Any thoughts on this at all? I just don't feel like I'm getting your reads at all. Why are you suddenly sheeping Wylted of all people?
Wylted is null to me, and if anything he is sheeping me. I've been banging the Mikal/Ultra drum since yesterday.