SatanLucy
Your parents are wealthy, that's why you can scratch your tiny balls all day long.


My parents also love me enough to give me money. Well, my dad doesn't, but I still have enough money and can be lazy all day. I am also smart to make savings, so I can keep being lazy if my parents die before me, which with my lifestyle is unlikely.

SatanLucy
But if you vote AS the debate is going on, you only have to commit to memorizing 1 or 2 arguments at a time


I dont memorize arguments, I just copy paste them side by side and weight by weighing system. tho I cant say I enjoy voting. It is probably least rewarding part of debating, because it takes a lot of work to do it right. If I miss something, and debater challenges it, then I have to re-write my vote. Also, my memory is bad, so I do have to divide debate onto main points and definitions. No way I can remember 10000 characters.

SatanLucy
Well, I've always been tempted to sit down on a confortable coach watching TV and scratching my balls all day long, but let's be honest, that's not an option


It is, just make enough savings which allow you to do that.

SatanLucy

I can agree that rape is very harmful. I just can't agree that it's more harmful than drunk driving.


Drunk driver who kills a kid on a road will always be worse in my eyes than a rapist.


And some drunk drivers kill entire families.

SatanLucy

RIP Kyle Busch

SatanLucy · 4 months ago

I don't encourage self-harm. I don't know why it's so popular and why so many people do it. It usually leaves scars, and those scars sometimes never heal and leave arms looking ugly. I don't judge people who do it cuz it's their thing, but the idea of it creeps me out. I don't really understand how someone gains pleasure or relief by doing that. To me, it just seems like a way to ruin your arms. And the scars aren't cool. They probably creep out people who see them.

SatanLucy

RIP Kyle Busch

SatanLucy · 4 months ago

So, pedophiles are claiming it's real in an effort to "manipulate and groom vulnerable children".


Lol a lot of people believe in Spawnism. Tho the ones which added self-harm to it are probably a bit crazy people.

SatanLucy
OMG, you are going to run for President, aren't you?


Yes, and my slogan will be "Make American Penises Great Again".


I will start my speech:


"I see a lot of these small penises in America, and they are not great. they dont do a very good job. For decades, the crooked politicians have led this country, and the average American penis has suffered. they never talk about it, you know. they never talk about American penis. they dont mention it. they dont care. I care. I want to do something for this country. And it starts by banning circumcision. thats a start. We will have big beautiful uncircumcised penises everywhere. It will be beautiful to watch. thank you in advance for electing me."

SatanLucy

"Cause and effect" is a foundation principle of science.


However, due to infinity regress, such foundation fails.


For every "why", there is another "why", making causation chain impossible to happen, because:


everything needs a cause to exist = cause must be outside "everything", which is logically impossible unless we assume supernatural.


the only thing thats left is uncaused cause, and such is supernatural too as it denies the foundation of science.


tho what uncaused cause is, is debated. Empty space is uncaused, but there is nothing in empty space so it cannot cause anything. Smallest possible things could be uncaused, and their combination forms other things which are caused by them.


However, they suffer from problem of infinite regress of time.


The Paradox of Infinity: Thinkers like William Lane Craig argue against the reality of an "actual infinity." If the past were infinite, you would have to cross an infinite amount of time to reach the present, which some argue is logically impossible.


the only "scientific solution" to this is that time had a beginning, and infinite past doesnt exist. But by taking such stance, it is not possible to explain why time even started, because "why" demands a cause which is not possible to happen before time existed.

SatanLucy

I dont know who tells people that God loves humans. God doesnt love humans. God is merely playing a video game and humans are playable characters.

SatanLucy

Research indicates that between 15% and 34% of individuals with Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) will attempt suicide in their lifetime.


Depression is actually a major suicide risk, much bigger than rape. And those who are victims of rape were often depressed before rape even happened, because they had other conditions causing depression.

SatanLucy
1% of 500k is 5k. There are 10x that many suicides in the US per year.


Not among women. Suicides among women are 10000 per year.



Suicide attempt rate is under a percent normally vs. 13% for rape victims. So most suicides by rape victims are due to the rape.


Actually, the suicide attempt rate varies greatly among different groups.


there are 1 million suicide attempts in USA by women per year, while about 500k rapes probably.


Even if we were to assume 13% number (which is incorrect), it would mean only 65k suicide attempts out of 1 million are purely done due to rape, which is less than 7% of all suicide attempts.


Further, the number is incorrect because it assumes suicide attempt rate is purely due to rape, which it is not.


It is well known that rape victims actually already have high suicide risk before even being raped, because they are more often addicts, depressed, lonely, experienced violence, alcoholics, from bad households... these are all high risks for suicide, before rape even happens.


So the suicide attempt rate cannot actually be fully blamed on rape either.


Also, one can recover from rape, with enough support. One cannot recover from being killed by a drunk driver, or being severely injured by drunk driver to the point of life ruining.

SatanLucy

Reported number of rape cases is 128k per year.


If we account for unreported cases, it could be still as high as 500k because around 30 million women report experiencing attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.


If we were to assume 1% suicide death rate among those women, it would be 300,000 deaths among them, or about 5000 deaths per year over 60 year period.


But such suicide rates dont exist, because women in total, all women commit 10,000 suicides per year. Most of those have many different causes. Depression, violence in marriage, caregiving obligations, trans issues...ect.


the claim that rape has 1% chance to drive victim to suicide is only true if you assume no one among 30 million raped women would commit suicide if werent raped.


But with standard suicide rates of 5 per 100,000 for all population of women, it means the 30 million by default would have similar suicide rate anyway, which is about 1500 suicides per year.


So only 3500 suicides can be potentially blamed on rape when assuming 1% suicide rate among rape victims.


that is about 8 times lower than number of people killed or severely injured by drunk drivers.


And when we account for SA too, death rate becomes much lower. So the claim of 1% death rate caused purely by rape is not true.

SatanLucy

Reported number of SA is 500k per year. If we assume 50% is reported, then it becomes 1 million per year.


Number of women who commit suicide per year is 10,000.


Even if we blamed all those suicides on rapists and SA, the death rate would be 1%. But most of those suicides arent due to SA, so the death rate falls under 0.5%.


As I provided before, the injury rate from drunk driving is 76 per 100,000.


Reported rape rates are 34 per 100,000, and SA rates are probably 295 per 100,000 when assuming unreported cases.



That's not per capita though. Drunk driving is much more common than rape.


If everyone in society was rapist or SA, death rates from suicides for women would be 855,000, and this is even assuming current suicide rates from victims, and not that suicide rates change because women adapt.


Even if we were to assume 1% suicide rate, deaths would still be 1.7 million.


If everyone was a drunk driver, there would be 5 million deaths, 5 million severe injuries and 30 million injuries per year, as driving when really drunk increases risk of fatality by over 12x.

SatanLucy
So rape has about a 1.3% chance of killing someone


Almost all victims of rape are women.


Women commit about 10,000 suicides per year.


Even if we were to blame all those suicides specifically on rapists, drunk drivers kill 12000 per year, severely injure over 14000, and injure 270,000 each year.


But many women who commit suicide have other reasons for it.


In fact, the suicide death rate is way higher among men, even tho men are less raped.

SatanLucy

Alyssa


...am I agreeing with something SatanLucy said?


If you check the big issues page on my profile, we are 66% in agreement. So we actually agree a lot.

SatanLucy
All politics is a call for violence. What do you think happens if the legal framework changes and people do not comply?


true, unless the president is Jesus, and he wouldnt be president for long.

SatanLucy

Also, having an age preferance doesnt mean someone isnt heterosexual. If that were true, then anyone who is not map couldnt be heterosexual because he would have age preference too. I really doubt there is any heterosexual out there who doesnt have age preference, because that would mean being attracted to all ages equally, which sounds terribly unlikely because someone attracted to 18 year old usually isnt nearly as attracted to 90 year old.

SatanLucy
The entire Pride movement has clarified that this is why it is wrong to call a homo-oriented pedophile a homosexual because they're actually not into grown adults of their own gender.


It sounds more like emotional reaction than an argument.


And not even true, a lot of maps are attracted to adults too. the idea that one part of population is attracted to only over 18, and another part only to under 18, is probably the most autistic view of society I have ever seen.

SatanLucy
I'm pretty sure there's nothing about the definition of hetero that specifies the age of the person you're attracted to.


RM uses his own dictionary. He doesnt actually speak English. All words he says have different meaning than what reader would think they mean.

SatanLucy
Drunk driving causes accidents *sometimes, and thus causes harm *sometimes. Drunk driving is not directly equated to harm. Irresponsible, stupid, selfish? 100%, but harm is not a given.


Sometimes causes harm = causes harm



Some people aren't harmed by being violated you say? Thats incoherent.


the degree of harm greatly varies. Some people are not affected by it later at all. Some women even send love letters to their rapists.



The CDC cites 125 million instances of driving under the influence every year. Your numbers are vastly overstated


that is per one ride. It doesnt mean 125 million Americans are constantly driving drunk. the numbers which I gave came from a simple statistic that driving when really drunk increases chances of fatal accident by over 12x. So all current US deaths and injuries from car accidents would be multiplied by at least 10, if everyone was constantly driving really drunk.


How do you rationalize the chance of hurting someone as being worse than hurting someone?


thats easy. If I was given choice between punching someone, or pressing button where that same someone has 10% chance to die, I would just punch them. Maybe punch always causes harm, but death rate of 10% is greater harm generally.

SatanLucy
OP was comparing DUI and rape, not drunk driving incidents and rape.


Driving drunk causes drunk driving accidents, and thus harm.



while driving under the influence is always a bad idea, it doesn't always cause harm.


this point is irrelevant. Maybe some women arent harmed by rape, but we are not going to say that rape is never harmful.



If some movie horror scenario forced a choice between driving under the influence or raping someone, the former should ALWAYS be chosen because of this.


If entire US population chose former, result would be 500,000 deaths per year and 30 million injuries per year. In just 10 years, it would be 5 million deaths, and 300 million injuries, rendering entire population effectively harmed to the point that society can no longer function long term.

SatanLucy

I am proud to be straight. I appreciate all the contributions of straight people to society, and a struggle to recognize that being straight is not wrong but cool and something to be celebrated, and that celebrating straight history, straight culture and straight community is good.


While all of us sometimes act a little gay, we wont let society define us that way. We were born perfectly straight, and we cant let people turn us gay, even tho many are trying.


Karl Marx was straight. Many great people were straight, some straighter than others, but all were straight in their own way, and they deserve to be celebrated for that.

SatanLucy

Next topic can be drug dealers vs. rapists.


Rapists are more hated than drug dealers, even tho drug dealers kill 80,000 people per year in USA.


So drunk drivers are next to drug dealers, and both are worse than rapists.

SatanLucy
you continue to minimize inappropriate and unwanted touching


No, the topic is about drunk drivers vs rapists.


unwanted touching as a whole has nothing to do with topic, but lets say it did. I would rather be touched by women without my consent 1000 times than be hit and killed by a drunk driver, or hit and severely injured by a drunk driver.


False reporting is statistically low (2-10%) while un-reported sexuall assault (which includes rape) is as high as 80%.


this is an assumption, because if its unreported, then you dont even know if it happened.


"approximately 1 in 5 women (about 19.3% to 26.8%) in the U.S. report experiencing attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. This translates to roughly 17.7 million to 33.5 million American women."


How many do drunk drivers hurt?


"In the United States alone—where the most comprehensive long-term data is tracked—alcohol-impaired driving has claimed roughly 400,000 lives and caused millions of non-fatal injuries since the mid-1980s."


"That rate corresponds to roughly 260,000 injuries per year (525,600 minutes ÷ 2).

Over 40 years, that would amount to approximately 10.5 million injuries."


"About 1 million people have been killed in U.S. drunk-driving crashes since the mid-1960s. Using the injury estimate from the previous answer (roughly 12–24 million injured), drunk driving in the U.S. over the last 60 years has likely resulted in around 1 million deaths and tens of millions of injuries"


So drunk drivers injure more people than all murderers and suicides combined.


the rate of injuries from drunk driving is 76 per 100,000. this is higher than homicide rates, suicide rates and rape rates combined.


The yearly reported forcible rape rate in the United States is roughly 37.5 per 100,000 inhabitants.


So I am afraid drunk drivers still injure more people than rapists.