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My main concern is that if you refuse to tax the poor and blindly aspire to the religion of jealousy, you are essentially constructing the perverted "2 wolves and a Sheep" style of Democracy, where you create a majority of wolves by removing accountability from the poor. And that is why they vote up unlimited spending bills. They suffer nothing for doing so. The incentives guarantee deficit spending.

If your country hadn't experimented with the idea of having the most progressive tax scale on the planet for 40 years, I would take you more seriously, but many people in your country continue to chant "tax the rich" as a sacred mantra as if the past 40 years never existed. It gets tiresome beyond fatigue. You say you are prosperous, but the past 40 years of the most progressive taxes on the planet don't show it. The very existence of Trump refutes your prosperity claim.

If the poor aren't footing their fair share of the spending bills, they will initiate force through voting to enact more spending laws to drive the nation into bankruptcy.

Even Europe isn't stupid enough to not tax the poor and middle class for this very reason. Yall had an experiment for 40 years with the most progressive tax scale in the world, and the debt has spoken.

The difference between the left and right when it comes to Trump is that the left judges Trump by the same standards as we judge any president.

I've watched enough videos of people testing the residents of deep-blue Marxist cities in America. They cite a quote from Obama, tell them Trump said it, and they instantly denounce it. Every. Time. It's a cult.

Obama was worse than a bad president.

He was irrelevant.

Obama was dressed up as the beginning of a new political age, but perhaps he was actually the end of the previous one. Biden was but a nail in the existing coffin.

Singapore basically said "Fuck off Marxists, go ruin another country"

Again, you called me everything but a liar.

You called me every name but a liar. Continue with your moral justifications for jealousy based taxation policy over practicalities. As if jealousy is the prime sacrosanct blessing from the god of Marx. A sacrament every red striper should wear proudly.

Switzerland's constitution explicitly guarantees both property ownership and economic freedom.

Article 26 guarantees property and full compensation for restrictions equivalent to expropriation.

Article 27 guarantees the freedom to pursue private economic activity, unlike the USA post-Wickard decision.

Article 94 requires the federal government and cantons to respect economic freedom and says departures from it, such as bureaucratic regulations restraining competition, need constitutional authorization or specified cantonal authority.

And ultimately this is all a distraction. The ultimate point is that rich people shouldn't be paying less than they used to while putting it the middle class and we shouldn't be borrowing money to pay for it all. 

This reads as a moral tax, and not a utilitarian tax. When socialism sweeps through your country and destroys the last shreds of private property rights, there won't be any people left to punish. Because like all socialist countries, the only people with property rights will be those working for/in the government. And they won't punish themselves for being rich. That kind of inequality is perfectly fine and righteous.

I wonder what system this revolution will bring. I don't think socialism is the system people want because the problem of liberal economy is just the corruption and the speculation. Socialism, on the other hand, sucks everywhere with or without corruption

After the violent dismantling of the US government, the new constitution will look more like Singapore's, where it's not easy at all to run up national debt. And hopefully, way stronger private property rights.

I've been talking about it several years ago. I thought Trump was going to tackle the problem but it was all the contrary.

Trump is but one branch of a massive weedbed of government. Violence is the only solution for reform at this point.

You need something to compare to instead of just complaining taxes are high for the rich already. Historically taxes were higher in the usa for the wealthy. If it was good enough to get our country to where we are its good enough now right? Your generation raised taxes on the middle class while lowering them for the upper class. How is that fair? If you want a mega military and mega healthcare instead of national health care that costs half as much like the rest of the world you have to fund it. Our welfare spending is well below the rest of the developed world while we have similar tax and expense situation so you cant really blame welfare. Completely immoral and idiotic to borrow money from future generations and run up debt to give mega tax cuts to the rich. If it wasnt for reagan bush and trumps tax cuts our debt would be half of what it is and manageable. Completely immoral to say, I got mine, while borrowing to fund your lifestyle while fucking up the budget then making future generations deal with it.

USA currently has one of, if not the most progressive tax scale in the civilized world.

Let's see what AI thinks:

Yep. Let's fully grant his fantasy and put it next to the actual debt numbers.

In 2023, the top 1% reported about $3.135 trillion of AGI and already paid about $823 billion in federal individual income taxes.

So imagine:

The government does something vastly more extreme than “tax the rich more”:

It takes 100% of every dollar of the top 1%'s income after their existing federal income tax.

That gives approximately:

$ 3.135 T- $ 0.823 T = $ 2.31 trillion.

Now compare that with today's fiscal situation:

DollarsFantasy confiscation from top 1%

$2.31T

2026 annual federal deficit

$1.9T

Debt held by public

~$32T

Current gross national debt

~$40T

CBO puts the 2026 deficit at $1.9 trillion and debt held by the public at about $32.1 trillion. Gross national debt just crossed $40 trillion this month.

So under the completely impossible fantasy:

Confiscating essentially the entire annual income of the richest 1% would raise about $2.3 trillion.

That would cover roughly one year's current deficit plus ~$400 billion.

If instead you devoted every penny to the existing $40 trillion gross debt, you'd eliminate only about:

402.31​≈5.8%​You'd still owe roughly:

$37.7 trillion. And then comes the killer: you can't do it again next year, because nobody is going to earn millions of dollars of taxable income when the government takes 100% of it. 😂

So even after granting the most ridiculous possible version of “tax the rich”, we've demonstrated something useful: there's enough money there to make a major dent in a SINGLE annual deficit, but nowhere remotely close to enough to pay off the accumulated national debt. And the structural deficit still has to be solved year after year.

Are you really surprised that the party that prioritizes illegal invaders over American Citizens promotes a political ideology that mirrors every American rival?

It's a ridiculous attempt at soft assimilation. Migrants know to ignore these threats and colonize wherever they want to. As a human right of course, the human right to colonize anywhere.

My God, first they kick a car, then they touch the reflecting pool, one even wrote numbers in the sand with seashells, 

Unfortunately, Pretti won the Darwin Award for taking the seashells as a manifesto from political cultists.

Pretti had a gun too, until he didn't.

I'd say Pretti didn't lear enough to ignore political cultists asking the public to physically confront and fight law enforcement.

Insurrection: an organized, usually violent revolt or uprising by a group of people against an established government or civil authority.

What's missing?

Alex Pretti kicking an established government car and violently grabbing an established law authority.

Technically, he was killed before he could go to trial as an actual insurrectionist.

I think hyperbole should be encouraged. It helps empower stupid people.

See, they already have the privileges as a minority.

That's why MAGA is panicking.

Why panic? Being a minority in America grants a ton of extra privileges.

"A person's concept of self as being male and masculine or female and feminine, or ambivalent, 

Cool, so scientifically there are exactly 3 genders. The mystery is solved Scooby Doo, get back in the van.

Some people might be assigned AH at birth. That was a choice of somebody with cold, big hands.

SkepticalOne wrote:

It might be recognized, but not chosen

This is either incorrect or misleading. The fact that there are more than 2 genders in the rainbow dictionary implies a Hogwarts Sorting Hat ceremony.

Abortion is also healthcare.

He won the Trump Prize.

Unearned wealth is one of the most toxic of human creations. No matter what form it takes. It strips the soul of gratitude and wonder and purpose, making happiness eternally unachievable.

We have over 100 years of evidence. It's not even a prediction at this point.

Mamdani has already done way more damage to his city than the twin towers. Nobody can pay back that much.

The already weak UN is doomed to increasing obscurity because it suffers from a basic contradiction: where nations agree, they rarely need the UN to force agreement; where powerful nations genuinely disagree, the UN usually lacks the power to resolve the dispute. The Security Council's veto allows any permanent member to block substantive action, and recent conflicts have repeatedly exposed that paralysis of inaction, especially in recent conflicts. Meanwhile, declarations and resolutions without meaningful enforcement more resemble statements of platitudes rather than concrete governing authority. The UN cannot provide useful humanitarian coordination, diplomacy, standards, when there exists a forum where virtually every government can talk, but not translate proclaimed universal rules into consistent consequences. An institution that claims global human moral authority while depending on varied and rival sovereign nations to voluntarily supply nearly all of its practical power is simply a very expensive world debating society.