Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/3/2026 at 7:31 AM (post #42)
There could be hidden role elements as well - scum could have a role that requires them to guess the targets role, for example.
This is such blatant TMI that it's ridiculous
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/3/2026 at 7:31 AM (post #42)
There could be hidden role elements as well - scum could have a role that requires them to guess the targets role, for example.
This is such blatant TMI that it's ridiculous
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/2/2026 at 12:50 PM (post #17)
Love that anticlaim mechanic.
Casey had a similar one in Deltarune Mafia.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/2/2026 at 10:34 PM (post #38)
You compassionate hand wringers are really cramping my anarchist zest here. It's a perfectly kosher play, it's not like we're breaking his game. It will probably be disastrous anyway.
If it succeeds, hosts will have to design their games to make it at least much harder to do again. I presume that scum receiving fake-claims started because forcing claims out of people proved too effective. For all I know, that might predate DDO/DART/DC and have been imported from another community.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/2/2026 at 4:18 PM (post #28)
Pros and cons of a mass role claim.
Pros:
We can finally say we did it, and if it blows up in our face spectacularly we can always point back to Jim Carrie mafia as a cautionary tale.
Like people on this site learn from previous games.
Right away we'll be able to eliminate the PRs from the POE.
And put them in Mafia's sights. Notwithstanding that scum can claim PR. This is probably just putting the same weight on the other side of the balance.
Late claimers or resistors could narrow down the POE still further; weak or shady role claims could narrow down the POE still further.
Tbf I think my justification is shitty
After we tighten the POE as much as reasonably possible, we could demand character claims from those in it, this DP -- so they basically have to think of an entire fake claim, role and character, right out the gate, which is a scum nightmare. They'd have to make their invented role at least sorta kinda fit with their character, and they still wouldn't know which characters of the four are safe, so decent chance to trap them in a CC.
This is why I think this game is uniquely suited to a mass role claim. If we are ever going to do it, might as well do it here.
We could potentially get a correct lynch DP1.
Possible anyway
Cons:
It's crazy.
This is a pro
Everyone has to agree to it.
If enough people agree, the others can be coerced into agreement.
Ideally everyone should claim at the same time, which is difficult to pull off. It's easy to just stall and plead irl stuff.
Maybe the right approach is to let the day phase continue naturally so we can decide who is sussest, possibly with a claim or two, and then have people claim in order of susness. This ranking could be decided by vote or by appointing the towniest member to decide.
We give away our roles to scum and basically forfeit the night game. Our PRs would be dead quickly and our mech game would be crippled by the transparency we will have brought on ourselves.
I don't think this is as much of a disadvantage as you might believe, especially since it makes friendly fire less likely.
Whoever is last to claim will have great advantage if they happen to be scum.
Fair, which is why I think a mass role claim should not be immediate. Although if it happened now, it would not be immediate with respect to start-of-day.
We could easily still mislynch despite a mass role claim and then we just dropped our trousers for nothing.
When I was a kid, I thought that the phrase, 'caught with your pants down', referred to urinating
Lunatic will have a "smh" attitude with us at endgame and that will just be the worst.
This is true regardless of whether it works or not tho
Kinda shitty to do that to someone given that they may have been looking forward to hosting and it will probably be several months before their next turn in the host queue
I will respond to each of Wryly's points in a bit, but my biggest qualm with it is that, if it goes horribly wrong or stunningly right, Lunatic might not like his game effectively ending on day 1
I have been curious how a game would play out if we all claimed our roles on day 1. I am not saying that we should, but, with scum receiving no cover roles, this would be as good of a time of any to try it lol
So Jim Carrey is the guy from How The Grinch Stole Christmas. I always thought that movie was way older
Worth NOTING
Worth nothing that scum were apparently not given fake-claim roles
Who is Jim Carrey?
Current Games:
None
Sign-ups:
Lunatic - Jim Carrey Movies
In the Hopper:
Helz
Rex - Female rappers
Magoroth - Standoff Mafia
Thoth - Smiling Friends
Kohai - TBD
Whiteflame - Dungeon Crawler Carl or Princess Bride
Banana
Pie
On Hold:
Wylted - Lulsec
Mag1cman
Casey_Risk
Shining
Mikal - re zero
In
I thought I was on the chopping block for DP3 because it looked like I was defending Rex over Banana.
Notice the sus hyperlink in Lunatic's role card. Pie out here copy-pasting roles from the Mafiascum wiki
If I had to shoot anyone earlier in this DP, it would be wylted due to higher activity and more opportunities to learn from his previous interactions after he flips, even though I am more sus of Banana
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/27/2026 at 11:26 AM (post #261)
Is this just a gut read or is this coming from somewhere? I still have no idea what your reads are.
I am still seeing you as town. Mild townread on Magoroth, and on Lunatic due to Kohai. Banana and Rex are null-ish, but I do get a better gutread from Rex than from Banana. I think I have a gut radar on Rex that I don't have for Banana. That leaves wylted, who I suppose I see as slight town, but I have been hard fooled by him before.
I get the Rex wagon but something tells me he is likely to flip town
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/27/2026 at 10:39 AM (post #245)
Originally Posted by wylted on 27/10/2026 at 16:13 (post #242)
We do actually have mago in a verified lie with the hint at being a vigilante
Fascinating. How is that lie pro-scum? I have lied literally every game I've been in, and I lie as Town a lot too
I dunno if I like that meta as town, but it is true that you lie a lot as either alignment
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 10:57 PM (post #218)
I'm seriously just trying to get a handle on your thinking, Thoth, so I'm just going to put the focus in one place. You don't have to respond to the above, just address this.
Why did you want other claims to come in before you were willing to claim? Statements like "it will do more harm than good until more info comes out" imply that even stating that your night action had failed was dangerous prior to getting more claims. Walk me through the logic there. I get that you wanted to see if someone would just claim that they had interfered with your action, but why wait? What was the danger? What was the value in waiting? I get not wanting to claim, but I don't get this.
Right, so I think you are looking for a specific chain of reasoning or a specific role I feared cpuld be in the game, when my reasoning was just that I did not know how other claims would pan out and I was defaulting to not claiming without a speciric reason. Dunno why you seem to think claiming is the default.
I am up early (for me) so I can participate for about an hour and a half
and Pie said that he can only answer for specific scenarios.
In the scenario I just mentioned of someone Rolestopping my target, my action would fail
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 5:05 PM (post #163)
While we’re at it, have you asked Pie about order of operations here with your role? Like, what could block you?
I have asked
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 7:14 PM (post #198)
That doesn’t really answer my question. You said you “kinda sorta got info”, so I’d like to understand, what info did you think you got? You already knew by the time you posted this that I’d claimed to be responsible for shifting the lynch, so I’m still unclear what info you thought you’d gotten beyond you being RB’d by someone, which didn’t require any claims to clarify.
Right, so what I meant by, 'kinda sorta got info', is that I definitely had the information that my action failed, but was not sure that this information was useful.
I don’t get this. So you held off on claiming because… it would have done more harm than good to inform us all you’d been RB’d?
I didn't know that I had been roleblocked, and I suppose that I still don't know that. At least when I posted this, and probably still now, there were many reasons why my action could have failed, and at least some of those would likely hurt town if scum put the puzzle pieces together.
I don’t see what information could’ve been garnered from getting more or different claims beyond banking on a town RB. How does your claim help scum?
"How does your claim help scum?" The default assumption is that claims help scum, or otherwise we would massclaim at the start of day 1. Which I would actually like to try sometime to see how badly it fails, but I don't doubt that it would implode spectacularly.
Same lack of clarity. Give me a scenario where you could’ve looked up, seen someone post something, and decided not to claim.
If someone claimed to have Rolestopped you, assuming that their action had precedence over mine. In this case, the mystery of why my action failed would probably be solved, and there would be no reason for me to claim my role and thereby out that there was a mystery from my point of view.
But I still asked to be sure
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 8:46 PM (post #207)
He stated before that he was surprised by the answer.
Yes, I was talking about Commuter blocking Strongman and strengthened actions because that defeats the purpose of strongman if you ask me. Having multiple levels of 'overridingness' is wild game design