the pitt mafia

Thoth · 6 months ago

I'll just claim. I'm Banana's Shift key. I'm a perma-Commuter

DebateCraft Players Endgame

Thoth · 6 months ago

Fair point, but I actually gave the smallest player to scum lol. I wanted a non-regular on both sides.

DebateCraft Players Endgame

Thoth · 6 months ago

Which comment was making Rex look good?

DebateCraft Players Endgame

Thoth · 6 months ago

Pie told me he thinks Town Roleblockers are broken anyway. Maybe he's right.

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Thoth · 6 months ago

Good reads, but there's a big difference between (1) having both scum in your PoE and (2) destroying both of them with your night actions and getting town to lynch one

Town wins!

Congratulations to Lunatic, Banana, Shining, ILikePie5, RexFavilla, wylted, and Kohai.

Most Valuable Player: Pie

For the roleblock on Magoroth that made an already bad position for scum ten times worse, for the lie about being Odd Night tricking Magoroth into not using his Strengthener, for the roleblock on Wryly that would have hurt scum terribly if she hadn't waived it, and for thoroughly living up to all of his justifications. Second place is Rex. I can't imagine I would have left Caroler unclaimed, but getting that Carol to Shining cleaned things up for town, not that I think there's any way scum could have won after the Wryly mislynch and Pie blocking Magoroth.

Setup Design

I balanced the game around Wryly's Prisoner's Dilemma, and that might have even made this setup a priori scum-sided. Aside from balancing the game around one role not being the best approach to setup design, including an every-night Roleblocker was a mistake since it could block the Prisoner's Dilemma. Wryly waived it on night 1, so Pie's Roleblocker might have helped her by letting her get the Carol since otherwise she would have been away Neighborizing Shining. It sucks that I went to all that effort to concoct a wild custom role and then it didn't get used.

You may have noticed that this setup had a lot of confirmables or semi-confirmables. I didn't do that for the sake of it. It just so happened that a lot of the justifications I thought of as I was building the setup were confirmables. I figured this would be okay because even though the Innocent Child is obviously Town-confirmable, Fruit Vendor could plausibly be scum and Oracle even more so, especially when an Innocent Child being around could make people WIFOM whether or not Town would have that many confirmables. Also, the Fruit Vendor visits someone every night unless they waive, which goes against the Caroler. Still, I probably would have been better off cutting at least one confirmable, probably Oracle because that Fruit Pie Vendor joke was too good.

Hammers

I swear that y'all are never going to learn the lesson about mishammering. I'm not going to take a stance here one way or the other about when it's good for Town to pressure someone for an early claim, but, holy fuck, you people need to clearly state your commitment to voting someone and only VTL after coordinating. Y'all probably keep your finger inside the trigger guard at the gun range. It's like y'all put your hand on a hot stove to see if it hurts, then put your other hand on it to see if that will hurt too, then come back to the kitchen five minutes later and forget that it hurt. I would say that mods should enforce some system that prevents VTLs to protect you from your own stupidity, but let's be real, nobody would go along with it. Mark my words, there will be another accidental or "accidental" hammer on day 1 within the next ten games.

Game analysis

I think this game came down to bad claims for scum, and with better claims they would have likely won, especially if Wryly had gotten the Prisoner's Dilemma off on night 1. (Good job Pie for blocking that.) I actually didn't think the Reroller claim was bad other than looking like a cover for a Mafia JOAT, but the Dirty Bomb claim was a bomb, not least because y'all know I love hosting games too much to shorten my own game like that. It seemed to me like people weren't expecting Wryly to flip scum, but her claim forced Town to lynch her. I'm sure there are a lot of other things I could say here, but I honestly think the game result boiled down to the Dirty Bomb claim.

Theme split

The theme split was supposed to be that town played on DART or DDO and scum started on DebateCraft. I had Wryly as scum because I thought she hadn't played Mafia on DART even though she was active on the site. Kohai told me that he thought Wryly played on DART as Castin. I asked Wryly, and she told me that her first Mafia game was Terraria, which started on DART and moved to DebateCraft as DART died. I guess the theme split kind of works out, but I wouldn't have had Wryly as scum if I knew about that.

Funny enough, the scum players ended up being Wryly and Magoroth, who were the only players who didn't play on DART or DDO minus the kinda-sorta in Wryly's case. Random.org gave us a double theme split.

Roles

ILikePie5 (Shining)

You win with the Town.

As either alignment, you tend to appoint yourself as town's leader and dominate the discussion. Your reputation precedes you, and it's no accident that you currently top the site's Mafia leaderboard. Some players are in awe of your aura, but some find your bravado annoying, and that Venn diagram has quite a bit of overlap. Hence, you are Popular / Hated. At the start of each day, you are randomly chosen to be Popular, requiring an extra vote to lynch, or Hated, requiring one fewer vote to lynch. You will not be told whether Popular or Hated was chosen. You cease to be Popular or Hated at MYLO / LYLO, even if MYLO / LYLO is reached during the day. You also have another trait that is well-known among Mafia regulars on DebateCraft, especially those who have hosted a game you played in. Hence, you are the Fruit Pie Vendor. Each night, you may give a target player a slice of fruit pie. This does nothing except tell them that they received the slice of fruit pie and that it was accompanied by a note telling them to submit their night actions faster next time.

Lunatic (Banana)

You win with the Town.

You are famous for your use of inventive custom roles in the games you host, which makes you the Inventor. Each day, you may give a player other than yourself one of the following Inventions, letting the recipient use the ability on that night only, if they choose to. You may hand out each Invention only once.

Doctor: Target player becomes immune to lethal actions tonight.
Neighborizer: Start a private Discord chat between yourself and another target player.
Tracker: Learn who target player visits tonight.

Mag1cman (wylted)

You win with the Town.

In Legend of Zelda Mafia, you copy-pasted your role PM and got mod-killed for it, which immediately revealed you as innocent. In this game, we will focus more on the innocent part than on the mod-kill part, so you are the Self-Activating Innocent Child. At any time during any day before MYLO / LYLO, you may confirm your role by copy-pasting it into, or posting a screenshot of it in, the day thread and not getting mod-killed for it. WARNINGS: To use this ability, you must post your entire role PM verbatim, including these warnings. You may not use this ability once MYLO / LYLO has been reached, even if MYLO / LYLO is reached during the day. Breaking either of these rules will make copy-pasting your role PM punishable by mod-kill as usual. If it will be possible to reach MYLO / LYLO during a day after start-of-day, there will be a public warning beforehand. Obviously accidental violations of these rules will be forgiven.

Mikal (ILikePie5)

You win the Town.

Your personality tends to dominate any room, or forum thread, where you are playing Mafia, so much so that your approach to the game has been called a bullying act. In this game, you can use it to your advantage by bullying people out of their lunch money, and by lunch money, I mean night actions. You are the Roleblocker. Each night, you may target a player, blocking them from performing actions, including the night-kill, that night.

Ultracrepidarian (RexFavilla)

You win with the Town.

You have played two Mafia games on DebateCraft: Deltarune and Suikoden. In the former, you were inactive as a scummate, and in the latter you were almost completely inactive. The difficulty of reaching you makes you Ascetic, immune to non-lethal actions. In Deltarune, scum chat was apparently so inactive that you and your scummate might as well have been in Dreamland. Your ability to share Dreaming with others makes you the Caroler. Each night, you may target a player for a Carol. The Carol is a list of three players, at least one of which is scum. The list is randomly chosen from all groups of three living players which contain at least one scum. If your target visits another player, they will be away from home, so they won't hear your Carol.

Vader (Lunatic)

You win with the Town.

It has been suggested, perhaps jokingly, that you can call out the scum team when angry. It almost seems as though you are getting information from somewhere, from a supernatural source. Hence, you are the Oracle. Each night, you randomly learn one role which a living player other than yourself has. You learn the name of the role and a brief description of what it does, but not the character, justification, or which player has it. For multi-ability roles like JOAT, you do not learn what the individual abilities are. This ability does nothing if you have learned all roles possessed by living players. This action is processed after kills, so you will not learn the role of a player who dies overnight.

whiteflame (Kohai)

You win with the Town.

You are renowned for your in-depth analysis and high-quality reads. Hence, you are the Potentially Repeatable Lie Detector. Once per game, at night, you may ask the game host (Thoth) about one statement made during the previous day phase and receive a guaranteed-correct answer as to whether or not the statement was true when it was made. If your first Lie Detection returns True, you may use this ability a second time on a future night.

This statement must be a self-contained piece of information about either the role of the person who made the statement or an action they performed. Examples of statements you can Lie Detect:

"I am character X"
"My role is Y"
"My role has an effect that does Z"
"I visited W on night 1"
"My justification is [supposed paraphrase of justification]"

You may not Lie Detect statements that somebody made about somebody else, nor statements which are ambiguous, unclear, or implications rather than statements. You may not Lie Detect alignment claims, e.g., "I win with the Town". If you are not sure whether or not you can Lie Detect a statement, please ask the game host before asking about the statement. Along with each statement, please tell the game host in which post it was made.

McDonaldsReal (Magoroth)

You win with the Mafia.

Your only Mafia game on DebateCraft was Casey_Risk's Deltarune game, in which you were Jevil, a Dreaming God with four abilities whose effects you were not told. This time, you are Jevil 2: Electric Boogaloo, a Mafia JOAT with four Jevilish abilities inspired by your corresponding abilities in Deltarune Mafia, and you do know what your abilities do. Each night, you may use one of these abilities. You may not use any ability more than once.

DEVILSKNIFE: You will be told a random non-scum player. If that player is lynched the following day, you become a permanent night-Commuter, immune to all night actions.
JEVILSTAIL: Target a player to make their night action(s), if they use any that night, immune to interference. (Note: If used on whoever is carrying the night-kill, this effectively makes them a Strongman that night.)
CHAOS BOMB: Swap two target players to make other night actions that target one player that night target the other and vice versa.
THE WORLD REVOLVING: Target a player to learn either who visits them that night or who they visit that night. Which of these to use is your choice.

Wryly (As Herself)

You win with the Mafia.

Like many, if not all, Mafia players, you often find that your brain isn't braining despite your love of playing the game. Sometimes you aren't sure whether your brain wants to cooperate with you or not. Hence, you are the Prisoner's Dilemma Wardeness. Once per game, at night, you may target two players to make them partake in a Prisoner's Dilemma. This action happens at night, but please declare your targets as soon as possible, preferably by the end of the previous day. Each prisoner will be told the rules of the game:

You and another player have been forced to participate in a Prisoner's Dilemma.
Tonight, you must choose cooperate or defect.
You will be told who the other prisoner is.
You may not communicate with the other prisoner. If you and the other prisoner have a line of communication, it will be shut until you have both chosen cooperate or defect.
Tonight, you and the other prisoner must choose cooperate or defect.
You will not be told which choice the other prisoner made until you have made your choice.
If you both choose cooperate, scum learn both of your full roles.
If one of you chooses defect and the other chooses cooperate, nothing happens to the defector, and the cooperator is permanently roleblocked, including abilities used tonight and on all future nights, as well as day abilities or passive abilities, if applicable.
If you both choose defect, you are both roleblocked tonight.

If this action is redirected so that both targets are the same, instead you play the Prisoner's Dilemma with that player. If you play the Prisoner's Dilemma, you will not be told whether your target chose cooperate or defect until you have made your choice.

Actions

Day 1

Shining becomes Hated.
Banana Invents a Neighborizer for Wryly. She submitted this action after day 1 ended, but I allowed it since she couldn't have known that the day would end so early.

Night 1

Lunatic learns that there is an Innocent Child.
Shining sends Pie a Fruit Pie with a handwritten message telling him to get his night actions in faster next time.
Magoroth kills Banana.
Magoroth watches Pie. He sees himself and Shining visit.
Rex sends a Carol to Wryly, which she receives. (Since scum will probably lie about the Caroler list anyway, I just told Wryly that she got a Carol instead of randomizing a list.)
Pie Roleblocks Wryly.
Wryly waives her Prisoner's Dilemma.
Wryly attempts to Neighborize Shining, but is role-blocked, allowing her to receive the Carol. She still could have used the Neighborizer on night 2. I ran it like this by analogy with the fact that I would let someone keep a charge for an X-shot ability if they were roleblocked.

Day 2

Shining becomes Hated.

Night 2

Lunatic learns that there is a Popular / Hated Fruit Pie Vendor.
Shining waives his Fruit Pie Vendor.
Pie Roleblocks Magoroth.
Magoroth kills wylted and uses DEVILSKNIFE. Both actions are Roleblocked.
Rex sends a Carol to Shining, which he receives: Shining, Pie, Magoroth. (For future reference, should it be possible for the Caroler and/or the Carol recipient to appear in the Caroler list?)

Day 3

Shining becomes Popular.

the pitt signups

Thoth · 6 months ago

/in

Town wins!

Most Valuable Player: Pie

Setup Design

Hammers

Game analysis

Theme split

Roles

Actions

Day 1

Night 1

Day 2

Night 2

Day 3

Final Vote Count

The DebateCraft community drops the in-game banhammer on Magoroth. He was Mafia.

All threats to Town have been eliminated. Town wins! Congratulations to Lunatic, Banana, Shining, ILikePie5, RexFavilla, wylted, and Kohai.

Vote Count

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Lynched on Day 2

Game information

Graveyard

Living Players

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