Thoth

I’m ready to vote Vader also.

Let’s say that I had an action which, when used on someone, does one of these two things with equal probability and without telling me which one:

1. If they are town, I see “town”. If they are scum, I see “unsure”.
2. I see “unsure” regardless of whether they are town or scum.

Who would you most want me to use this ability on?

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Vote: Pie

Unless I missed something big, I’m actually feeling worse about Pie.

If whiteflame does say how his role works, I might be able to clear him, but that will depend on the role. With mean anti-claim mechanics publicly known to exist, it might be better that he does not. I guess if he is 100% the elimination today, he might as well tell us during twilight.

I would be okay with voting whiteflame, Pie, or unsaid because they are all in my scum pile and, with no claim that I recall, I doubt that I can clear them.

I have not caught up completely on everything, by the way. I got on, saw that we were close to hammering with two claims, and needed to ensure that the day would not close before I could check whether or not I could clear awesome and Vader, or, much less likely, catch them in my wolf trap. Sorry for the inconvenience.

"awesome's and Vader's claims" meaning probably only one of them, but there's a small chance that it could be both. I don't want to give away which one I thought I was more likely to be able to clear.

I was thinking that awesome's and Vader's claims interact with my role in a way that I could clear at least one of them overnight, provided I make it to tomorrow, but, after asking some questions to Kohai, I don't think I will be able to.

Carry on.

DO NOT DROP THE HAMMER YET

I'm catching up with the thread now.

Do not hammer anyone until I have caught up or end up day is less than an hour away.

Trust me on that.

Vote: whiteflame

I could go after awesome, Pie, or unsaid too, and I'd like to see more from Vader, but this is where I am getting my worst vibes currently.

Airmax can be looked at tomorrow if needed, but, if a townlock is neighborized and tells us so, that pretty well confirms Airmax as town since a scum neighborizer is almost as unlikely as Mr Rogers being scum, NAI-flavor notwithstanding.

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I will post something later tonight, or, technically, later this morning since it's past midnight here.

He probably knows the role as a Mason Recruiter. MU uses a lot of the same roles we've used for decades but with different titles. Even my role has a different name than what I commonly understand it to be.

Since Masons are town by definition, I can see the wisdom of not calling it a Mason Recruiter. I almost wrote, "unless the person you target is only added to the chat if they are town", and then saw the problem there.

Edit to post #310: I mean anti-claim mechanics for scum that work on roles but possibly not on characters.

Based on how much Mafia Airmax has played, when he played it, and how long Neighborizer has been around, what's the chance he is lying when he says he does not know what Neighborizer is?

I said claim your role and not your character. If there is anti claim shit. It would only make sense from a character perspective unless mafia have roles that actively counter ours. Been saying this

Anti-claim mechanics for scum would make more sense if they did not actively counter our roles, since then it would add value.

It’s affiliation confirmable

(Post #263) Why?

I'm noticing no one's given you a straight answer to these questions. The answer is, it depends on the nature of the anti-claim mechanic. The most recent example (and I think the one most of us are considering when it comes to this game) came from the Deltarune game run by Casey.

That anti-claim mechanic is not what I would think of as extremely nasty. I'm thinking more like having your ability permanently removed or your results being tampered with without informing you. Worst-case scenario would be death, but I very much doubt Kohai would go that far.

Better hope Thoth doesn't hold a grudge.

I do, but not enough to get in the way of trying to win.

If your character is obscure enough that you think that my inferences last post were wrong, by all means, say so. No anti-claim mechanic in the world is going to test obscure vs famous character. Like, if you think this is a trick to get you to activate an anti-claim mechanic where I do something mean to you if you claim that your character is not famous, you should seriously be asking yourself why Kohai would put that in the game.

Kohai said flavor is NAI, which makes me think that, even if we knew one scum character, we would not be able to guess the other, but I could be wrong.

At the risk of providing fodder one of those nasty anti-claim mechanics, I'm going to say that my character is one of the more well-known ones from the 90s/early 00s. I'm willing to infer that most or all characters in here are also well-known, which makes the pool of likely inclusions shallow enough that fake-claiming characters could be risky, especially since Kohai said nothing about mod-provided fake-claims. Town might also have an investigative role that can check characters. This means that scum are likely to straight-claim their characters. Therefore, town could plausibly have anti-claim mechanics.

What’s the utility of that for townies?

Potentially plenty, if scum straight-claim their characters. The chance of scum straight-claiming their roles is inherently close to zero, but Kohai said in the OP that flavor is Not Affiliation Indicative.

Post 97 from Thoth bothers me a lot. First he proposes the whole “Commit” thing for pressure, then he just goes and adds his vote onto Max anyways and says he’s not responsible if things go sideways.

This is coming off of last game where we had a quickhammer and he explicitly said: “Do not put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire,” later on after being hammered and in my PSA thread.

It doesn’t add up behaviorally

You know what else does not add up? Three votes to a majority. The only way that could have turned into an accidental firing squad is if three people voted within a window narrow enough that they either did not see each other's vote or could plausibly claimed not to have seen them, and people would probably treat those triplets as having one or two confirmed scum.

YO I CAN EDIT AND DELETE MY POSTS LMFAO

This is why the distinction between "can" and "may" is so important. See rule 5 in the OP.

idk if talking about this shit is allowed on this site but i'm gonna angle thoth scum here

Y'know, because Lunatic and I could not talk privately somewhere else if we were scum.

Shouldn't it be 5 votes for majority? You would never vote for yourself short of being a tanner (role that wins by being voted out), so 5/9 is effectively a majority.

This reminds me of when im at my dads during a football game and he tries to recap the first half with a mouthful of chicken and mash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akwm2UZJ34o