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I am Scarlet.

I still am not comfortable with Mikal, but there should be no harm in claiming Scarlet since every other claim so far has been Scarlet, although that's what scum would do.

But there is very likely a hidden aspect that recruit that mafia don’t even know and it’s glaring obvious if you beat the game

I know exactly who scum can recruit cus endgame but I really doubt scum know that

Did you read these sentences to yourself before clicking "Post comment"? Now scum can punch in something like, "suikoden ps1 ending", on YouTube and get information that could win them the game. Way to monopolize your lorelordship.

Mikal said something interesting that I just now picked up on after browsing that Gensopedia that Magic linked. I'll stay quiet lest scum pick it up and it is somehow useful for them. Just thought I should leave a note here.

I have a hard time seeing scum mikal just openly disclosing his thoughts on the theme split like that.

If Mikal is scum and the theme split is actually Empire = Town / Toran = Scum, he surely guessed the split quickly even if Rex did not tell him, and he also would have known that this split is obvious enough that we probably would have figured it out without guidance from a lore god, so why not disclose it? If Mikal is scum and the split is different, then we are entering the zone of blind speculation, where I prefer to keep my extremities within the vehicle at all times, especially when I know jack shit about Suikoden beyond what I've read in this thread, but I would bet said extremities that there could be a metric fuckton of obscure splits in which scum-Mikal could fake-claim the obvious split and spin it to self-townlock and bait claims. Frankly, and I don't mean to insult Rex if the split is simply Empire / Toran, I would be miffed at it being so simple, but I would wonder if he intentionally left us the opportunity to overthink it.

He could be scum trying to throw us off, sure, but since he guessed the split in like post 11 multiple people have confirmed being in a similar category. His only motivation for doing that would be for town cred I suppose, and since this game has recruit mechanics I guess he could be doing that knowing that giving the theme split doesn't matter, but still feels like a bit of a stretch to me.

A hypothetical Airmax scummated with Mikal would be suicidal to claim that justification if the split were not Empire / Toran, which nearly proves that the split is Empire / Toran or that Mikal is town, possibly both. With Mikal, Kohai, Airmax, Wryly, and possibly Magic claiming Imperial characters, it is effectively public knowledge that there is at least one Imperial townie because four scum in a 13-player game is unthinkable. Five is right out. I'm thinking that the split is Empire / Toran with some additional layer that we will have to figure out as the veils are parted. I say 'we' because, if Mikal is town, scum are not letting him see another day.

How Many Times Do We Have To Teach You This Lesson Old Man?

Re: Post #70 - I missed the reason you gave for why Georg was not in that list. Sorry.

I know nothing about this game. I was neck deep in Legend of Dragoon around that time I think. I'd like to take this time to say I'm a total scum noob and anyone who recruits me is shooting themselves in the foot fuck off don't pick me bitch I will cut you

(Post #38) I was neck deep in my mother's womb.

First off,

Unvote

because my vote on Magic was an obvious joke.

That aside. The more I think about Mikal's actions so far, the more I see him as either behaviorally scumlocked or well-intentioned but misguided town. If I had played more games with him, I would probably be better equipped to choose which.

Mikal, your claim to lore godhood seems legitimate, so, if you are town, then whatever you piece together from the information you get out might help us, but are you presumptuous enough to think that this is worth the risk of enabling anti-claim? All the lore knowledge in the world will not equip you to come close to solving the game, if only because determining what is going on behind the scenes in someone else's game is a matter of modpsyche rather than just inferences that seem sensible to you, and the more information you guess at, the more variables you add to your equation and the more likely you are wrong about something crucial. That is before factoring in that Rex said in the OP, "Mafia are provided with some information on fake claims", so scum could likely deploy fake-claims that fit between the inevitable gaps in your analysis.

By the way, "Mafia are provided...", should preclude cult since I very much doubt that a 13-player game would have both. My guess is that there are 2 scum with a recruiter or 3 with a Yakuza. (Is there an agreed-upon name for a role which recruits someone but, unlike a Yakuza, does not suicide to do so?)

That is scumready enough, but Rex said in the OP, "revealing information about your character will allow scum to use their roles to much greater effect." That much greater effect would be that mucher greaterer in Mikal's lore-heavy hands, so, if he were scum, how eager would he be to persuade us that Rex's warning is less dire than it seems?

As a soft claim. I’d like the pre lock to be

im from scarlet moon

I’m from the toran liberation

I exist outside of those.

this will be useful later I would imagine.

(Post #16) This sounds innocuous, but, if the theme split turns out to be something other than Empire = Town / Toran = Scum, or at least some more complicated variant of it, then scum-Mikal could feasibly infer someone's character from this soft-claim, and do note that a hypothetical scum Mikal in a theme split other than Empire / Toran would know that is not the split.

Skep said there is no anti claim. So outside of fake claims. I will sniff bullshit out very fast. I’m a lore god at this game so there is value in character claims at some point especially with no anti claim. We should minimize that until needed as some characters will very likely be pretty fucking obvious roles.

(Post #19) "No anti-claim", no, he said almost the opposite. Notwithstanding that, if some characters' roles were, "pretty fucking obvious", to you, then you would want character claims that much more if anti-claim has frequency limits, e.g., 1x per night.

The ones I largely expect to be in game are kasim, Sonya, Kwanda, milich and teo

(Post #31) Why not Georg? Not a rhetorical question or attempt to pressure you.

character claiming won’t matter

(Post #56) This sounds oddly confident given that which character you are is most definitely information about your character.

I am not willing to vote Mikal yet, but I will do so eagerly if I get more evidence of him being scum.

No, I'm not playing your soft-claim game either.

Skep said there is no anti claim.

Not true. He said there is no hard anti-claim. I'm not sure where he would draw the line between soft and hard, but unduly revealing information does not seem smart.

I think I will be back to participate in an hour to an hour and a half, but I do tend to overrun deadlines, so, by predicting that I will probably be late, I have all my prediction-accuracy bases covered unless I am back early. In the meantime, I'm curious what the meta on here is for town/scum/possible neutral splits with 13 players. Are we thinking 10 town and 3 scum? That sounds right to me.

Also, VTL Magic for (1) trying to Rickroll me and (2) trying to Rickroll people with a Youtube link now that Youtube has disabled autoplay.

I’ll try and up it: May you never need to use a public toilet.

This would be sabotaged if you became incontinent and always ended up shitting yourself before you got to the restroom.

Based on my role PM as well I am in agreement with this. I wonder if we actually have a scum team or if it just town vs a cult.

Fuck, I hope not. I hate cults.

Y’all can lock my game in as Culture, i.e., the Culture series by Iain M Banks.

My head is too square to be oblong.

I love the intelligent exchanges we have on here.

In

I noticed earlier that the writing style of Casey's tailored role PM was obviously not in Lunatic's hand, which should have been a dead giveaway, but I missed it and so did everyone else. Let this be a lesson in how you can miss the most blatant tells if you are not looking for them.

Aside from scum's nasty anti-claim mechanic, which was what I guessed it was except that I figured it could likely only target one person per night, my ability was something of a town anti-claim mechanic, hence why I suggested the possibility in day 1.

I have to admit that agreeing with Mikal's win condition was effectively quoting my PM, that I was therefore partially responsible for this game turning into a shitshow, and, if I had been summarily modkilled because of it, I would have been angry but I think I would have considered it justified after I calmed down.

Re: the mafia anti-claim mechanic

Permanently roleblock, meaning during all future night phases? Jeez, that is nasty.

Could the anti-claim mechanic be applied if town fake-claimed?

DVC?

Wait, extra NK? Jeez. I gotta re-read this whole thread.

It made us kill you over Mikal lol. That and the fact that Mikal was more of a known quantity.

So you caught that I was the lie detector? And how did Unsaid die? I thought I just read that Lunatic was scum.

None of y'all realized that I said, "Unsaid's role is investigative", so I could lie-detect my own statement, and that it probably made Unsaid shoot me and die? Only three people had claimed basically nothing about their role near the end of day 1: myself, Rex, and unsaid. I knew I was town and felt okay about Rex, so I said something about Unsaid's role so I had the option of lie-detecting it in case I decided not to test anyone's claims.

Already beat you to it.

Then I suppose it was wise of me to not vote Vader, since I knew that someone could vote Vader while I was writing that post. I guess I learned my lesson.

Although in this case I think the hammer needs to drop.

I'm ready to break the tie by voting Vader.

Wait what?

Forget that statement for now. You'll understand when the time is right.

explain?

Can't.

Unsaid's role is investigative.

I was talking hypothetically.

More or less.

If Airmax adds someone to his neighborhood, do they get into the chat that night or the start of the next day?