Thoth

Are you sure that your role PM leaves zero chance that your character is one specific Xenomorph?

I will full-claim if, and only if, you promise to pressure the SHIT out of Kohai if and when I die and flip town. I expect everyone to hold you accountable for this lest the scum team is you and Kohai.

That still does not make sense. And at this point you’ve said enough where scum are going to target you anyways, so just full claim.

no u

Wait a minute. My role card implies that adult Xenomorphs are scum. Even before considering that Vengeful Townie seems like a claim designed to keep votes off of you, how in the blue fuck did I miss that?

unvote

VTL Kohai

I’m going to push back on this and say that you need to full claim. How do Facehuggers go against the interests of xenomorphs? That doesn’t make sense at all

I don't want to full-claim because knowing my role could give scum opportunities they should not have. Yeah, I know how scummy that sounds, but in this case it's true. It's not that the Facehuggers are going against the interests of the Xenomorphs, exactly. I know that could have been worded better, but I wasn't sure how. Let me try again.

My justification is that the facehugger interacts with another stage of the xenomorph life cycle in a certain way that causes a certain effect, and, assuming that Xenomorphs in this stage are scum, this effect goes against their interests.

Am I losing my mind or did you just change your profile picture to have a different-colored background?

I don't think I can say much without giving away at least what category of role it is.

So then how does the Facehugger go against the interests of Xenomorphs? Color me confused.

You n me both pal

Eh. Fine. I'm the Facehugger. Not a specific Facehugger, just the Facehugger in general. I'm fine saying that because I don't think anyone will guess my role from it.

I'm not suggesting that we should definitely do this because it might come at the risk of giving away too much information, but, for the sake of modpsyche, I'd be interested in seeing people claim how hard it would be to figure out their role from their character. If all y'all threw every dart you could think of at the target for days, one of you might get my role and justification eventually. Not to say it's a stupid justification, just that I don't think it's obvious a priori.

In his defense, Lunatic said the theme split was not obvious. There's no way in hell that it's humans vs xenos.

I was thinking that Mikal might be the chestburster. It would fit with facehugger and I think the chestburster is a shoe-in since the chestburster scene is probably the most famous part of the movie.

You need to claim

Eh. Fine. I'm the Facehugger. Not a specific Facehugger, just the Facehugger in general. I'm fine saying that because I don't think anyone will guess my role from it.

Seems kind of weird for Lunatic to give people individual xenomorphs from the species but give you the whole species, but not impossible, I guess.

to be clear is your character of the Xenomorph species?

Not an individual Xenomorph. A specific stage in the Xenomorph life cycle.

So you’re a type of a xenomorph? While the whole xenomorph species is encompassed by David’s role?

I think he was claiming to be the specific Xenomorph from the original movie.

I’m curious on how you know Thoth’s character?

Is it really possible for two folks to have the same character?

Upon re reading I think I may have misunderstood Thoth. The only issue I have is him claiming a Xenomorph but my character is the Xenomorph. I admit that I know nothing about the Alien franchise so I had thought the Xenomorph was an individual character and not necessarily an entire species.

I was under the impression that all aliens are called Xenomorphs and "the alien" refers to one specific Xenomorph that hunts the humans in the movie. My character is a type of alien, in the same way that Rex had Wargals last game. The role PM sounds like I am a Xenomorph but the justification for my ability is that it goes against the interests of Xenomorphs. I know it's weird.

VTL Mikal

Pressuring a new player for a claim explicitly because she is new is so scummy it almost loops back around to not being scummy, but I'm willing to put it here for now.

I did know one more fact about Alien that I did not mention earlier because it only came to mind a few minutes ago, as I was brushing my teeth. I usually have my best ideas when doing household chores.

Some of you may have heard of the Bechdel Test, which a movie or other work passes if: (1) it has at least two women characters; (2) there is a conversation between at least two of these women; (3) they talk about something other than a man. Many movies fail it even today, let alone in the 1970s. As pointed out in the comic strip that introduced the Bechdel Test, Alien passes because Ripley and Lambert have a few exchanges. That could be the theme split.

If I got that right, everyone here is going to side-eye me until the end of time, Lunatic and both scum will start wondering if I hacked into their computers, and I will get voted out the instant one of them flips scum.

Does anyone have an idea for how I could randomly pick a number from 1 through 9, or whatever number of players, for my first vote and prove to everyone that the number is really random?

If I have no good reason to vote someone specific by 6 September 2025 at 12:30 P.M. Central Standard Time or whenever I get to this thread, and if the winning numbers for the Florida Lottery's Pick 5 are available by then, I will choose my vote by adding the numbers, taking the remainder modulo 8, and adding 1 if the result is greater than 2. I believe that this is unimpeachable, and that the chances of choosing anyone are close enough to equal that they might as well be equal.

Mind you, I don't recommend that you do this because then we will all be voting for the same person. A better method is needed for randomly selecting votes with independently verifiable integrity. I'll keep thinking about it.

The drawing is technically today, but it feels like tomorrow since I stayed up past midnight.

I'll start. My character is a Xenomorph. I might as well claim that lest someone think the split is as easy as human = town / xenomorph = scum, and I doubt it is vice versa either.

Or lest a townie be afraid to claim a Xenomorph because they think it will look scummy.

Probably a good idea to soft claim something if anyone has any ideas

This should not be too risky, since the theme split is supposedly not obvious and scum know it anyway.

I'll start. My character is a Xenomorph. I might as well claim that lest someone think the split is as easy as human = town / xenomorph = scum, and I doubt it is vice versa either.

I almost suggested we all do a different soft-claim, then realized how much it sounded like I was baiting you into some weird custom-role ability.

Miller, PGO, Gravedigger are the top ones I can think of

So SOP-claim roles are ones liable to hurt town, especially if they give misleading results?

I could imagine PGO claiming some high-power role to bait the night-kill, although that would be very risky and very likely to draw profanity your way should it misfire.

romulus is included, sorry it is also canon

You're sorry that you forgot to mention that it's included, or you're sorry that it is canon?

Since I would not vote for myself, I would pick a number 1-8 and then add 1 if it is greater than 2.

Does anyone have an idea for how I could randomly pick a number from 1 through 9, or whatever number of players, for my first vote and prove to everyone that the number is really random?

About all that I knew about Alien before this game started was that the original is a horror film infamous for the scene where the alien comes out of a guy's chest. I only learned today that Alien is the original, since I had heard of some of the sequels to Alien without realizing that they were sequels. I've read up a bit, but am not at all familiar with the lore.

Which roles are considered SOP-claims (standard operating procedure) on here? Mikal brought up SOP-claiming early in day 1 of last game, and I'm just curious for future reference, as I don't believe my role is likely to qualify. Before someone asks, "Didn't you bring up gender soft-claiming last game with an ulterior motive and the intention of playing the curious-noob card if someone pointed out how few women are major characters in Ranger's Apprentice?", I don't see how knowing which roles are SOP-claims could hurt town, or, for that matter, hurt scum unless it caused someone to SOP-claim. I know that y'all will be scumreading everything I say with a microfiche reader for the foreseeable future, but I tried to save you the effort of wondering what kind of ploy I'm hiding behind this question, since there is none.

VTL Thoth Better safe than sorry

I diagnose this patient with Post Thoth Stress Disorder.

One thing that really threw me off is why Mharman had such a hardon for lynching Mikal DP1. As scum I would want to keep him alive, especially if Thoth had a redirect.

We asked Pie whether or not we could Redirect a Hider, and he said lol no. I left the scum chat server, so I can't check, but I think he said that Deflector and Bus Driver would have worked.

In my first Discord game, I had a mentor who could see everything I could see, answer my questions, and give me advice on how to play, although I made all decisions. One tip he gave me is that, when confronted with seemingly irrefutable evidence, I should assert that something must have gone wrong because the chance of success, however small, is better than nothing. I deployed this tactic in DP4 against the inexplicability of Magic's self-visit, and I guess it worked.

I thought for sure you would've conserved your 1x Strongman until later.

That was Magic's idea. I disagreed.

Also, the Strongman role card had a typo in it: "Each even night..." Pie confirmed that we could use it any night, not just on even-numbered nights, and edited the role in scum chat accordingly, but the original version is in the OP of this thread.

So the goal was to gin up suspicion that there was a scum role that interfered with role results?

Partially, but the main reason was to explain why I had not claimed earlier.

How will you break a tie in votes?