Wryly

And now Banana is saying I betrayed my own guild. Come on guys. If there's reason to suspect you have a leak and one of your guildmates is refusing to full claim, what are you supposed to do? Put your guild before town?

I've only ever played mafia on this site, and refusing to full claim when there's evidence against you has always been regarded as a scumtell here.

Interesting assumption. Why does it have to be Neutral v Mafia and it cant be some form of Mafia v Town?

I'm grasping for a model that explains all the data. Scum Shining/3P Helz explains both Shining's bad claim and your suspicious behavior.

from what i seen and read, his character seems pretty legit, as in not very side char ish. i think maf used there fake claims already, unless u think they got 3. getting items from his dad makes sense with the claim. the roles dont seem scummy.

But all the other Solo Leveling characters have only one ability. There's nothing about Jinho that seems to lend itself to tracking or doctoring. He gets items from his father sometimes but never goggles specifically.

He's gone from trying to deflect blame to me and Rex to trying to deny that I ever made my intentions clear in chat at all. It just seems like scummy behavior.

What do you think of Helz's claim?

Shining and Helz FOSing each other like this points to an unpairing there. If Helz isn't town then this seems like a scum/3P split.

Your argument is that I just said "Pie confirmed" without explicitly replying to Lunatic? Okay, I guess. I feel like it would still be easily discernible to someone in guildchat that I was targeting Pie.

I've been talking about this so long I'm just losing the thread here. All his "you'll see when I flip, I'll laugh so hard" shit is making me second-guess myself. And I townread Banana so her opinion is definitely not nothing to me here.

i think he has some odd ideas about meta but it seems genuine and id really rather not lynch someone because they are disagreeable. n lets be honest thats what it seems like

This is kind of throwing me. So you just think he's being stubborn and my false result on Pie is unrelated to me announcing who I would target in guildchat?

Feel free to leave out how much was said between those time periods and that we were mid conversation on some random bullshit.

Ok? I mean I don't know what your point is here. Are you trying to argue that we don't have a guild leak because you guys chatted in between Lunatic telling me to target Pie and me saying "confirm"?

I just knew this guild shit was gonna be a melodrama lol

Can you reiterate why are you against a Helz lynch exactly? Sorry busy day and I don't wanna dig back. :p

I mean your defense seems heavily OMGUS-y. That's one behavioral argument I have. Instead of engaging any of our arguments for why full claiming makes sense you just go in hard on how stupid, inept, and apish we are, and how we deserve to learn our lesson.

Lunatic said in chat "Go ahead and investigate Pie." A half hour later when I got back on I said "Pie confirmed."

Honestly, someday it may be healthy for this community to host a few mountainous setups and let players hunt without constantly demanding mech info when there is none.

That's up to the moderator, as Thoth said DP1. If Mikal had made a game with mostly Vanillas and Goons we'd be playing a behavior game here. But if everyone has a unique role, mech analysis is on the table and it's silly to ignore it as a means of game progression.

If I am a Bodyguard or an Armorsmith or BP or a doctor or have a commute function? How does any of that info help the town in any way? It just gives scum knowledge that lets them kill around me if I use that function.

I mean I'd like to know for balance reasons. If you're a Bodyguard or Armorsmith that seems a strange choice to include with a Doctor/Poison Healer. If you're a Commuter that would be different. Role redundancy matters.

Helz.

with all due respect I’m not buying your claim nor am I buying your ATE

What is ATE, sensei

But yes, I asked to leave and got effectively told I could leave chat. I voiced that I now see my guild leader (Wryly) as potentially scum and would like to separate if possible but all I could do is leave chat. Which is pointless. Even as we disagree and fight about the mafia stuff we have been super respectful to etchother and there is no advantage to me having less information.

But yeah. Lol. I did just try to leave the guild over Wryly revealing my protective function to the town then voting me. That just screams scum to me.

I implored you to tell me your full claim and said that I wouldn't reveal it to town if I agreed it was too sensitive, that I would be fully in your corner if I could be convinced you were town. You obstinately refused to understand why you were under suspicion, why you should full claim, why I thought our guild had a leak, why I am likely town, why it made no sense for you to withhold info about your protective role when you were likely going to be lynched anyway, why it made no sense for you to be willing to claim to Lunatic but unwilling to claim to me when Rex would have seen your claim in both cases regardless.

At that point, I could only conclude you were cornered and OMGUSing scum, and there was no reason to hold any information I had back from town.

You cuck your husband, don't you?

Only if he was into it.

I don't kink shame.

I'll be busy for the next hour.

This is unrelated to cucking my hypothetical husband.

Mikal said that in chat?

Yes.

Haven’t caught up yet but wow this is like Mag1c level in Zelda game crash out

Hey hey hey. Don't dis Mag1c like that, that crashout is still unmatched.

I'm tripping over whether Mikal saying his wincon is still tied to the guild is an indicator he's town. He clarified that he meant "if he's town, his wincon is still tied to the guild." Eh maybe I'm making something out of nothing.

Helz asked to leave in chat and Mikal said he could leave but his wincon is still tied with the guild. It's kind of mindfucking me. If he's scum his wincon isn't tied with the guild.

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I told you I would save said vetting for the DP thread, and I did.

For the millionth time, analyzing your full claim helps us in determining alignment probabilities.

VTL Helz

If he flips town I may become homicidal.

If you'd come clean with me this would be a different story bestie. But you just OMGUSed and gave me the run around, so I haz a sad.

I like you though, no hard feelings. You're a great dude to bullshit around with.

Clunky ass sounding verb.

"This wagon is edging me. I need to be cunninglingused again."

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I got shit to do and I don't want developments to develop without me developing them.