Wryly

Yep, just had another frustrating round-and-round with Helz in guildchat.


Was able to get him to claim his second ability is a protective role and a "form of kill protection." He won't clarify further and just keeps saying the reasons for him being on trial at all are absurd and basically that he won't dignify it with more info. So I can see where this is going. If he's town, he's just screwing us over here out of spite.


VTL Helz

Wryly
I see, so not exactly claiming an odd day tracker, but rather an inventor, creating a delayed tracker capability.


Still seems an odd fit. Inventors don't give themselves gifts and they don't "receive" gifts from characters who aren't actually in the game (Jinho's father -- unless he is in the game, which would just make this weirder). Also, every Inventor gadget I've ever seen has to be used on the given night or it evaporates.


Sure wish I knew Helz's other ability here.

Wryly
rex ghosting u feels like it could be telling. maybe he is the mole.


It's not outside the realm of possibility, but I feel like Rex would come up with a less scummy-sounding fake claim. He was also on the Thoth wagon, the Alyssa wagon, and he voted Helz.


Wryly

Your paranoia concerning me seems pretty misplaced. There are mechanisms that could easily explain my two false results, and fake claiming Cop is an exceedingly risky play from someone with very little scum experience.


Think about it. I would have had to know there are no Cops in the game, and Mikal did not say scum were given any role questions. The fake claim evidence suggests scum were not given role claims. I didn't claim some weird multi-ability power like Thoth, Alyssa, and now you. Claiming Cop would be an exceedingly risky blind play from someone with scant scum experience.

Wryly

Unvote


I want a mass claim. If Helz is 3P this will at least possibly flush one more scum out before we lynch, and if Helz is scum it could flush the 3P out. I also want to see if anyone else has an odd/even night ability or multiple abilities.

Wryly

I'm tired af, what is it you want me to confirm? If Helz offered to claim but Lunatic said he didn't have to? It happened before I joined, but yeah. Helz said he preferred not to claim because he couldn't completely trust Rex or future guildies, but if Lunatic demanded the info he would give it. Lunatic said he wouldn't force Helz to claim unless he had reason to scumread him. Rex claimed shortly after. Then I joined and claimed the next day.

Wryly
Okay, and what were your results?


He told me he has no results. He has to "request" the goggles from his father on even nights and can use them on odds. He says he requested the goggles NP2, and NP3 would have been the first chance he would get to use them.

Wryly
I think there was some legit reasoning for it. Its a rather weird assumption and take. Most of what Thoth said seemed to have some connection to details they knew were in the game. Then we have the aspect that there was a developed player into the ant king.

This (and the fact there is not an additional KPN in a 17p game) made me feel that them giving a pool reflected them having some mech info on who might become their Ant King. This is part of why I feel we are looking at a 3p mafia and not a 2p today. It makes sense for balance and otherwise Thoth making such a position is out of place regardless of if they replaced all the names and such.


This perhaps explains why Thoth gave a POE, but not why he put those names in particular in the POE.

Wryly

To be clear, the timeline went like this:


  1. 4/6 I say Alyssa investigated as innocent.
  2. 4/10 You note the inno check on Alyssa was wrong; you don't seem surprised to recall this; you don't challenge me on why I didn't fight the Alyssa lynch.
  3. 4/10 You say the Alyssa inno check is weighing on you.
  4. 4/11 You act shocked I got an inno check on Alyssa and suddenly want to know why I didn't fight the Alyssa lynch harder.


I don't understand this.

Wryly

Had to look up this insane modifier you guys keep mentioning. This is for when the moderator is just like "fuck town" I guess.

Wryly

The post I had to link you to in guildchat was the one where I announced I would be targeting Pie, since you were kind of challenging that I ever announced it.

Wryly
You can make whatever assumption you want there but there is a reason earlier today I was like "Wait, what? You had an inno on Alyssa?" That was the first time the information actually registered to me. You even had to link a previous post in the chat to show me that you had said as much.


What? Yesterday you were saying that the inno check on Alyssa was weighing on your mind. What do you mean it only registered today?

Wryly
Yeah, somehow I missed it. I was doing a lot around that period of time. Really hurting for time and I was not vetting our discord chat.

To be fair I probably have 1-2k posts there and the chat on our discord is probably much larger than the chat in all the game threads combined. Is what it is.


You're such a stickler for detail though. I can't believe I told you I had a result, you acknowledged it, but then you didn't press for more.


At the time, I hadn't revealed my role yet. I just said I investigated Alyssa. I'm wondering if you asked no follow-up questions because you were wary I was actually a Tracker or a Watcher and had seen Alyssa visit Mag1c.

Wryly

Why were you so unaccepting of the security threat to our guild implied by my false result on Pie? I wanted to come clean immediately after Pie revealed himself as the true Hunters leader. Rex resisted at first but then eventually came around. You were mad as all get out, said it was a total mistake, and refused to even admit that Pie was town confirmed.