Hard to say if she knew. Not sure how much info scum were given, and it doesn’t seem like the scum team has knowledge enough to figure out this would happen
Good catch. Doesn't look like it was in her role card.
Hard to say if she knew. Not sure how much info scum were given, and it doesn’t seem like the scum team has knowledge enough to figure out this would happen
Good catch. Doesn't look like it was in her role card.
Lost Wolf would mean the big dogs are back in full plausibility as well. Pie could be scum. whiteflame could be scum. Even willingness to lynch Alyssa or Thoth becomes moot when you consider they could've thought they might be lynching the queen and increasing scum's firepower.
And Alyssa may have just fallen on her sword to usher in the king. Put up just enough fight to make herself a convincing target.
A Lost Wolf could explain a lot. That means scumchat only had 3 players in it. If the third player was underactive or unformidable or both, much of scum's game makes sense.
It’s 2 mafia we got versus 1 town died with no other big claims. Relax.
You shouldn't have claimed unprompted if mafia still possess lethality. Mag1c wasn't even being sussed yet so I'm not sure what your motive was here.
Worse: They didn't even need to invent fake claims. Mikal handed fake claims to them!
Mikal was dodgy about whether they were handed full or partial fake claims. I think the Thoth and Alyssa evidence indicates they were given partials.
If the Ant King is outside scumchat until the queen dies, then questionable fake claims from scum are still possible even with a veteran scum
How much time do we have
You're good for my anxiety, pass the blunt.
Mm, you're right. I could have represented it better as a desire to limit excess than a desire for shortness.
We go into tomorrow with another night kill, more recruitments, more role uses, and overall more POE. Furter discussion is going to be more beneficial with that stuff in mind then it will be here.
Granted, but he's worried we go into tomorrow with four fewer townies than we think we have, and we aren't even discussing the possibility.
When I suggest we take more time, I get a lot of "how damn long do you need the DP to be, we got what we need" grumbling. I think there's a general desire for snappy day phases, conciseness, brevity.
tl;dr, while there's merit in your proposal, I just don't think it's popular.
Seriously Shining we will find a pfp for you if you're struggling.
How about season 1 surly Prince Zuko? That's kind of what I picture in my head.
Not cool
Disagreeeeee
I honestly expected Alyssa to fight back a bit more. I know this is WIFOM but Pie might not be mafia because if he was, he would be absolutely raging in the Discord if is was. I disagree it was inevitable.
He would've been raging at Thoth's Mestari slip, Thoth's lame explanation for it, Alyssa's "maybe he learned it from Mikal" distance play (if Alyssa turns out to be scum), and Thoth's odd claim. All of it.
Based on just behavior I'm leaning town yeah.
I'm townreading Rex and Helz, and I'd like to townread whiteflame, but he's always a risk. Casey is null.
I'd rather kill Pie in the same way I'd rather just open Schrödinger's box than write out the math on whether the cat is alive or dead.
I'm gonna ask everyone a similar question to the one I asked yesterday. If you had to vote for someone other than Alyssa today, who would you vote for and why?
Depends on variables I'm still weighing.
I haven't fully dismissed the possibility Thoth was tailored, but I can't strategize around that; it just creates a minefield of uncertainty and I'm not gonna deal with that until I see Alyssa's flip.
Another variable is whether Thoth's last words were an attempt to manipulate NP1 actions or a more long-term distancing play. If the former, maybe he was just trying to get people to waste investigatives on Casey or whiteflame or the fake Jinwoo POE; if the latter, some of those people could actually be scum.
It almost hurts to make my brain jump through mafia hoops after having to problem solve all day, but I read back through the DP. Tiredbrain ftw.
I'm a little surprised there's been no investigative push on post #2, but maybe more experienced players have deemed it best left alone.
I think I have permission to share this.
My team has a lynch reversal role in it, which feels like it would be a direct counter to Alyssa and also align with how Mikal balances the game
Didn't give this post of wylted's enough attention. I'm not sure if he means one of his guildmates has a lynch reversal power or the guild itself has lynch reversal as a faction power, but either way, that makes it very unlikely that Alyssa is town and has a similar power, though it would still be possible if she was scum. wylted has lied to scumhunt before, but I don't get the sense he's lying now.
It may be largely moot since we're lynching Alyssa anyway, but this tidbit matters to me because I think her self-vote and her phrasing ambiguity are a bit of a wash; wylted's info here and the odd redirector argument are the salient points for me.
"Bite" doesn't sound like it goes with Roleblocker. Sounds like it should be the Poisoner ant, honestly.
I cannot shake the paranoia that Thoth has been tailored. It irks me because, if Thoth really was scum, tailoring paranoia is precisely the sort of chaos he was probably hoping to stir up with his twilight deception.
I remember playing as a Tailor and I could not alter alignments.
whiteflame altered Casey's alignment when he tailored her in Alien mafia.
I played Heartbreaking Bears Mafia with WF and we tailored Rex when he was mislynched DP1. So Thoth getting Tailored isn't impossible, just unlikely. Just throwing that out there.
How tf did I forget this. That's right, you switched role cards with him.
Shit. My paranoia has been seriously ratcheted up.
I think there is a few potential conclusions and I will strongly push the town to stop looking at Alyssa as some slam dunk confirmed mafia and start really hunting and questioning how valid the case is. I see 4 potentials
1- Its just gravy train and Alyssa is belly up mafia caught with their team mate bussing
2- Its kinda more fucked but still good with flipped mafia actually pushing until they realized 3p potential (more likely imo)
3- Its just town shoving town without bothering to think or verify details. The awful potential
4- Weird world the mafia have a framer and are driving some clever misslynch as we think we are up 1 mafia but could actually be close to having a situation where we are down 2-3 town adding in the poisoner
Things to consider. And btw, Poison sounds like a logical killing thing for an ant. Hmm
I share your paranoia, but I thought Framers simply make their targets investigate as guilty. I would think only a Tailor could alter Thoth's role card flip, and I had the understanding that Tailors can only alter NK targets, not lynched townies.
Thoth himself told me this was the site meta for Tailors when Mago and I were considering a similar twilight ruse in DC Player Mafia.
If Wryly could not add 7 spam posts to every page, however, that would make me happy.
Oi, fluffposting is a character flaw of mine like yours is being a self-aggrandizing edgelord with the compulsive need to condescend his peers.
Now let me hear a "fair enough", bitch.
Having one of those nights when I'm desperately tired but can't sleep.
There is a lot of tangential focus on their slot and a point I have never herd from anyone is the question of if Mestari was actually aligned with Thoth. Everyone is obsessed with this “How could Thoth possibly know they are a good player” situation and nobody has even breached that subject. Kinda glaring that subject was never breached.
Because Mestari was himself the one who caught Thoth's scumslip there. If Mes was scum, he wouldn't have drawn attention to it. The only way I could rationalize a scum!Mestari there was if he was so sure someone else would pick up on the slip that he decided to bus Thoth immediately.
Good post otherwise. Not a stupid wall at all.
First is called Widely Admired - I require one additional vote beyond the normal majority to be eliminated during the day phase. Once this ability triggers, the vote count resets and this ability is consumed.
My question is then why you were not lynched. Mikal says he counted it as 10 votes. That's one more than the normal majority. Instead, it reset.
Popular + Reset. I can't decide if the two are contradictory or redundant. If it's just going to reset, why not just reset at majority? Why the extra vote? And if it's going to reset, why advertise it as "I take one extra vote to lynch"? You effectively take 10 extra votes to lynch. One more than majority, then nine more after reset.
Sorry I haven't caught up yet. I just moved and the hot water tank failed. I've been dealing with the basement flooding for the past few hours. Please don't hammer and end the day before I can catch up and post my thoughts.
Calcium corrosion, the silent killer. Thy anode rod has breathed its last.
Good luck and may your shut-off valves always work.
Yeah, mafia tends to give up more easily. Town tends to think that scumreads on them are BS and will defend for a long time. Whereas mafia knows the scumreads on them are legit, which kinda frustrates them when trying to find a way out. So if it's damning enough, they're more likely to give up than town. I saw a lot of it during the MU anniversary mash from a while back. Outed scum would just shitpost until they died.
Okay, this makes sense. That's enough to increase my suspicion on the self-vote.
Okay, you guys are scumreading the self-vote hard and I'm kind of lost. Is it a thing that town never self-votes but scum do?
Why Mag1c? Hm.