Wryly

Are we not focusing on how Wryly got a Carol when he was visited?

Bro are you not doing any research or what

Eh I get it. Like your arguments in Andor LYLO, it's all WIFOM. Either you buy that I would have no reason to do any of this or you lynch me and make good choices at MYLO. If I was a better player you'd have more reason not to think I would make a fuckup like that, but alas, I am no whiteflame.

Or you claimed the carol results before talking to your partner, or your partner dropped the ball and forgot they were supposed to claim caroler, or you didn’t account for a mass claim and hoped people would lunch within the results before ever claiming, I mean you likely would have only needed two more mislynches and the results account for three. Multiple possibilities that make more sense than a 3rd party maybe existing and taking a Hail Mary play to take out a town player instead of getting free town cred.

1. I wouldn't have done anything without talking to my partner
2. I wouldn't have claimed a Carol even if I had no input from my partner, it's too risky and I wouldn't be a bold scum player I can tell you that
3. Claiming Carol and having my scummate claim Caroler is the dumbest scum play, if my scummate dies or I die we're both lynched
4. Whether you mass claimed or not doesn't matter, there would still have been a clamor of "who was the Caroler? anyone wanna claim Caroler" and a town Caroler would've had every reason to confirm themselves even if no one else claimed -- so the absence of any Caroler claim at all would have looked hella suspicious even if there was no mass claim

And even I know you don't make a claim that will be proven false if your scummate dies.

Yall are placing way too much stock in this third party theory. Like sure it’s possible but it seems more likely that she just scum slipped imo. It happens. She’s not a bad player or anything, mistakes happen. Maybe her partner was supposed to claim it and forgot or they weren’t in to coordinate during the mass claim. Who knows. I feel like this would result in a lynch on basically anyone else this happened too though. If she’s town then we can lynch in those carol results but we should have a lot more POE going into next day phase as well as results and confirmables anyway. This is a pretty safe lynch imo

I'm fine with it but baffled by what you imagine the scum slip even was. Confusing what a Carol is?

Thoth refuses to answer whether the TP can joint win or mot

I'm shocked

Honestly lynching me may be the play here. It will put us at MYLO tomorrow with possibly a 3P in the remaining 3 but eh, at least you'll have your POE

Because DP1 ended before I had a chance to do jack shit, I thought I was putting Kohai at L-1 and then we would get a claim and move on

As for balance I have no clue

And I've already explained why I think a mafia Caroler is a stupid idea.

Yeah it's pretty clear to me there is a Caroler 3P in the game.

1. There is no conceivable reason I would be scum and fake a Carol. I would know there is no Caroler in the game, and if I was scum I would nervously double, triple, and quadruple check all the roles I would be considering fake claiming, so I would know a Carol requires a Caroler. It would be the biggest risk imaginable to just yolo a Caroler-less Carol and hope WIFOM saves me.
2. We know there is probably a 3P in the game.
3. We know the 3P was given a fake role claim, per OP of DP1. If they were given a fake role claim, why on Earth would they straight claim their Caroler? Just give me the Carol and watch me squirm, soaking up all the heat and dominating the conversation DP2 so that the 3P Caroler can lie low.

1x Neighorizer. So no, Pie, no one would have been able to protect Kohai NP1. He could not have been doctored or watched.

At this point, you need to reveal everything

Fair enough. Banana gave me an invention last night. I was informed I received it but told I could not use it because I was roleblocked, so it would be saved for NP2 when it normally would have disintegrated if not used NP1. If you decide it's more a benefit to town than to scum for me to tell you which invention it was, I will.

How would you know if you were role blocked if you are a dirty bomb?

The answer to this has to do with that other thing I mentioned in #32

Or the Caroler is a 3P, and we know there is a strong possibility one is in the game

They give me the Carol and then don't claim Caroler to turn up the heat on me. I get mislynched, flip town, and now the Carol POE is confirmed and that also turns up the heat on scum. The Caroler plays both sides against each other and makes it to endgame.

Why are we entertaining the possibility of a scum Caroler?? They would just waive, or give the Carol to their scummate

Wryly is already sus because she was both roleblocked and had a carol.

Ask Thoth yourself. Even if you're roleblocked you can still receive things.

Okay I actually feel like I went too far with the wylted profanity. I can't handle this level of inhibitionlessness. I'm discontinuing.

Jesus Christ.

First of all, why the fuck would I make up a Carol if there's no Caroler? I would make up Dreamer if I was gonna go that route you fucking numbnuts, not that I would go that route at all. If I make up a Carol there's a loose end and I'm insta-lynched when no one claims Caroler. Exhibit A: what's happening right now.

And no, there is no way Thoth put in a mafia Caroler, that's retarded. But a third party Caroler is within the realm of possibility and something Thoth might even do.

The mass claim was a good idea even though it kind of kills the usefulness of my role, but I guess being given the Carol at all already did that.

I'm wylted, as my wylted-esque posts should indicate to you. Due to my trigger-happy playing style, I am the 1x Dirty Bomb. If I'm targeted for the NK I take the scum down with me, but I also kill anyone else they may have visited that night.

I'm gonna go pass out now

Oh, and I have no fucking clue who it is. I wanna townread Shining for how specific he was about his meme thing, but he claimed a kind of unverifiable role. Obviously I was mad at Pie for pushing so hard on that Kohai wagon, but that's kind of just Pie being Pie. I'm null on him and Rex behaviorally and mechanically.

Were you just told about receiving a carol and thats it? Were you given any information about the caroler and its mechs? Did you ask any questions about it etc? Basically any extra information you can give here would be great if you have any.

Who out of those three people do you think is likeliest to be scum and why?

I am super super tired but I get that I have pressing questions to answer here.

I was just told I received a carol. I was not told who sent it. The followup questions I asked were can the Caroler be in the results (yes), and could the results show a third party but no mafia (no).

I'm hoping the Caroler is Pie or Rex

Yeah guess you shouldn't have hammered him you fiend!

Ngl it kind of took some of the wind out of my sails for this game. Starting out with a costly and completely avoidable fuckup tastes pretty bitter. Especially considering they got the Inventor too.

Did someone send you results or are they your own? I assume its not the latter but I am double checking.

I received a Carol, someone sent it to me.

Why you holding out on the results girl

I'm not the one who was pressuring me for a character claim

But you run into issues like: What statements can be lie detected, yes or no statements only or anything? Does a lie neccesarily mean scum? Town lie frequently to bait night kills, or if they have a strong role and don't want scum to know, or say if someone says they are a 1x doctor and you lie detect it, find out they are lying, but the reason they lied is because they were an every night doctor and didn't want mafia to night kill them because they want them to think it would be wasted, etc. Like there is just so many nuance situations with it. Then we had a meta where people would start every game saying "I win with the town" specifically for the lie detector role, but certain mods thought that was unfair and just didn't allow it because at that point you might as well just call it a cop. Idk the role has backfired a million times before for town, it just kind of blurs the lines. There might be an odd game or two I remember it actually catching scum, but I definitely don't remember ever being blown away by that role.

I admit I didn't consider all that, but dude look at the kinds of posts Kohai could've Lie Detected:

1. "I am character X"
2. "My role is Y"
3. "My role has an effect that does Z"
4. "I visited W on night 1"
5. "My justification is [supposed paraphrase of justification]"

Fact checking claims like this would've been invaluable

All right serious shit, I got stuff to report and it's been a long day

1. I was roleblocked last night
2. Something else happened that I will keep to myself for now
3. I received a Carol. There is at least one scum in ILikePie5, RexFavilla, Shining

that nigga wylted is based af

I think the Greeks were right about wondering womb syndrome. think my wife has it. idk what else can explain her hysteria about strange men who come to the door at night, wailing atm e that I shouldve told her I ordered doordash. I came to that bitch's door one night and now we're married, whats the difference. I stg she'd be smarter if I hollowed her out and used her as a golf bag

kinda pussy shit is this? pressuring me without even VTLing lol. gay

except when Daddy Pie does it. so alpha.

I definitely do but I'm dealing with some stuff at home, gimme a bit