Wryly

Lol are you joking? It sounds super powerful, this loss hurts

unvote just in case

It was hammer. wylted, Pie, Shining, you, me.

DP is over without like a third of the players posting

It fucking was

*headdesk*

GODDAMN IT

Fuck it vtl kohai

DUDE NOOOO

Fine. You've convinced me.

VTL Kohai

Lol all right dudes I'll work on my head-in-the-game ruthlessness.

It doesn’t really matter if it helps POE. Plus if he’s Cop or something, a doctor or watcher can use their action on him.

We don't know the setup.

Just seems like setting a bad precedent. We just gonna insta-wagon him every game because he's bad at fake claiming?

We could also be handing scum a potentially important town role just because a member played suboptimally recently

Nope. Thoth tells me jack.

So we're in the same pickle of not being able to verify it.

Still, I think I wanna townpile you for now.

Let’s get the claim from Kohai

I can't fault the strategy

but it feels mean D:

Okay, so I just reread my DM and I randomly flip between Hated and Popular at the start of each day. Thoth really wanted to spice up my role.

Lolwut

Are you told whether you're Hated or Popular for the current day phase?

Hey guys I am either a Popular or Hated. Thoth has randomly picked between the two and I could either of those. Also, I have a visiting role that is basically a meme (Thoth said it was useless, but it does something funny), but its obvious given who my character is. I'll character claim if I must, but I feel like holding off full claiming right now.

You mean your role card doesn't tell you which you are? That's an interesting turn on things. Not sure how to read this. I wanna give it town points for being so specific, but if you don't know if you're Popular or Hated we can't confirm your role without risking a lynch

Yea I admit it. I’m a complete retard at mafia and somehow even more retarded when I’m scum.

Don't sweat it KoKo. What matters most is to have fun! We're here to make good friends and good memories, not agonize over every little decision and plan them out like we're at work or something lol. The point isn't winning so much as community building and good vibes. It's not a competition, it's an opportunity for connection. Skill and strategy can never take the place of a positive attitude and try-hard spirit and I'm basically just gonna keep going until Pie kills himself

Also good

Losing a whole day phase's worth of data on someone? Eh, don't love it but it's an okay compromise

Probably tomorrow since I'm also running a game on my Discord group.

Ah so Monday isn't good for you scheduling-wise?

Are you guys ok with waiting for Vader

I did not expect the game to fill nearly this quickly

I scream, you scream, we all scream for this theme

Monday is muy bueno, let's wait for Supa

I was gonna say put me in if you cant find anyone, but I guess I'll be backup

u did good kid, u did good

we all play different I just know that scum is never going to eliminate our POE for us ever at any point. They want a larger POE so that we we are more prone to mistakes at LYLO. So this means the mago death (mago was in POE) was always going to be from a town kill which clears Thoth.

I don't think I am going to convince anyone of this but I just needed to state my piece

I did say multiple times that scum wouldn't have NK'd Mago because he was a mislynch target. But I was questioning if scum!Thoth would have NK'd Mago just to make that very claim -- "who would shoot within the POE but town? I'm being framed clearly". In hindsight I was being way too paranoid and wifomy lol

Tbf all my mislynches seem dumb in hindsight

It came down to me not being able to buy that scum would give town an extra day phase. I thought they would much rather shorten town's lynching power and go into MYLO with a wider pool of suspects, but I didn't count on whiteflame being so averse to Banana being in MYLO and like Savant I didn't consider that it would drag things out for scum when they could have a time crunch advantage instead

Appreciate it, and same to you.

So I think Banana would've been more of a wildcard. She might have been convinced, but it would have been a rough road to get there and I wasn't sure I could. My other concern was that I thought Rex had given out an item on DP1 (he apparently didn't), and I was really concerned it was the Bomb. If he had done that, I figured you were much more likely to have gotten it than Banana was.

As for why I passed up on MYLO, that's POE. Thoth would have been confirmed, so I would have had to just kill him. So it would have been me vs. Luna again, and I would have had to argue with you and Banana over it to get there and win you both over. Same problem, higher wall.

Alas! I considered this explanation at one point but told myself that scum would rather keep the pool of suspects as wide as possible by having a MYLO 3v1 instead of a LYLO 2v1.

I'm surprised you thought Rex had given me the bomb, I felt pretty null-read DP1.

A lot was said back and forth about whether I would put certain roles or characters in the game, and the explanation for most of my decisions are that I mostly just wanted to have the most solid role justifications for each character used. I think (hope) I achieved that, because no one’s justification was said to be a stretch, besides maybe wylted’s at one point. I also consulted with Pie about balance and making it not too swingy a few months back when I first designed the game, so that factored in. But he hadn’t seen the show, or he may have pointed out that I was giving town all the major characters.

I often think roles are only very loosely suited for the characters they are paired with, but I have to say this was the solidest list of character-role justifications I can remember seeing. Leaving a couple major characters out would've really balanced things better for scum, but in your defense you didn't know how much emphasis we would put on character claims. That may have been due to us being a bit starved for role confirmations late game, aside from Banana's.

I see Lunatic's BP was activated NP3, but I'm still kind of confused about your back-and-forth with him over whether it was passive, and also how it was used without him being attacked.

Well played, despite your setbacks.

Couple questions. Why Banana NP3, and why did you pass up going to MYLO just to frame Thoth?

Why did you choose Strengthener?

Well in the end it only added to my growing list of things I figured Lunatic would not possibly choose to make up, so it all worked out