Wryly

Why has wylted been in your POE? Apologies if you've already said

Voting Luna because he spent too much time on Thoth is slim, but I guess we're at grasping-at-straws hour.

Decent possibility Luna was just distracted from the game by sheer irritation. Good tactic as scum though. Not much to base a vote on.

Feel like we're in the position again where we're just targeting inactives, which is so hit or miss.

It's also unpredictable and dangerous for scum these types of last minute things as one choice on the line is usually scum and there is a lot of information to gather in these periods due to separate factions scrambling

Good point

I wish mods would either give everyone a justification or no one a justification, this whole "one person wasn't given a justification" shit irritates me

Not advocating for a VTNL per se, just saying I understand why it was brought up. This is exactly the kind of climate of uncertainty that lets scum nudge the crosshairs where they like

There's not much good reason to vote anyone rn so we're just floating between people based on half-reasons or quarter-reasons and not much else. Everyone is a coin toss. I get the motivation for a VTNL.

Did you ever say who you targeted NP1?

only thing that gives me pause on Rex is that I scumread him in Chicago Bears and he flipped Town.

This kind of shit messes with my head all the time

Can't answer that ahead of time

I'm actually townleaning on Rex

Could be wrong

You up? Time to claim

All in all, though, he's a bit of a null.

What are your thoughts on Luna

I did wonder if he kept riding Thoth so hard DP1 for the Epstein pfp as a way to take up all the conversational oxygen in the room, distract the narrative. And there is this post of Rex's that's worth some consideration.

Fine. Your losses.

I will paraphrase because the phrasing is rather short.

Basically there is nothing in my role card that says “You are Vanilla” or “You have no abilities"

It says, and I’m paraphrasing, “You have the power to vote”. More specifically it says that’s my ability, to vote.

I'm... even more confused. How does this out anyone else?

There are 3 people on right now other than me with mago in the POE and we have one hour left. Is there something we are waiting for?

There's no reason to lose the last hour when I could learn more here

For you to think I’m scum, you’d have to believe that scum weren’t given fake claims or I fake claimed some random shit I came up with in my head. And that’s why I can’t give a justification. But considering what Kohai said - and that it seems likely scum were given fake claims - I have no idea why you’d believe this. I’m not giving my justification. Not because I’m scum, but because the way of saying Vanilla (it does not specifically say I have no abilities) is uncommon and would likely out other Vanillas.

Yeah I'm nothing but confused by this. Why couldn't Kohai have given you "Peatrice - Vanilla" as a fake claim? Why are you acting like we want to know how "you are Vanilla" was phrased when we actually want to know the justification for Peatrice being Vanilla? Why would you giving us this information out other Vanillas unless they also divulged some hyper-specific information about their PM wording?

"She's a bored clerk with no magical or martial powers" is some kind of big secret that could give scum a target, is it

Bro you're in danger of a lynch here. Why is Peatrice a Vanilla and why could that possibly be sensitive information?

What's the justification brochacho

Still want a character claim from you

I ain’t waffling on shit. I’m not giving the justification. I already said why.

Cuz you're afraid it's "angle shooting"? Come on

What options are you willing to pursue?

Mago, Lunatic, whiteflame, Pie

Would be really nice to know where the votes stand rn

We have 4 people on line 3 of us are probably town we can direct this anyhow we want with plurality. What are we doing

Wish I knew

wait no. Can you just tell me if your character is in ocarina of time?

Why is this significant?

Kohai specifically mentioned Impa as well as Zelda and Link. Ofc my theory could just be wrong. I’m honestly at an impasse, and we’re running out of time

Agreed. I have few town leans.

If there’s sufficient interest, I will claim. I am thoroughly surprised by Mharman’s flip.

I'd like a character claim.

Booooo

I don’t want to rehash this, but him not hammering earlier is a red herring. As for not seeing the claim, that’s just as bad.

His self-immolation has dominated the conversation this day phase and prevented us from mining any other veins of ore, so I might as well milk some reads from it.

And no, pretending he didn't see the claim because the posts were sent at the same time would not be nearly as bad as pretending he didn't double check his PM before a counter-claim.

I was operating off the idea of a Magoroth/Magic scum team, because I found the sudden Luna push strange. This meant that Magic hammered once Thoth claimed, because they panicked about the wagon reverting to Mago after the earlier floated Luna wagon failed to take root. That they were taking a gamble that Thoth would have an iffy claim and they could push a lynch through anyway and look better/more reasonable, but instead he claimed the protagonist, and they panicked a bit and wanted to make sure the lynch went through before the wagon evaporated.

I also thought the way Magic expected to be townread for it to be very scummy. You're right that it's a risky move for scum to pull, but if the expectation is that it's so crazy that you ought to be town read for it it's not. If Magic had come into this DP contrite for fucking up and claimed when subjected to pressure I feel like my scum read would have evaporated pretty quickly. It's the way he doubled down and acted like he had additional town cred for what was, at best, a colossal fuckup, and at worst a brazen hammering of a claimed critical character. It rubbed me the wrong way. I know if I made that kind of mistake I would be fucking embarrassed the next DP, not feel entitled to scream at other players to claim while refusing to claim myself. Hell, I feel a bit embarrassed now after Magic committed suicide. In retrospect I think I was tunneling Mago and scrapped my perspective of the game entirely to reassess who I was scum reading.

As an aside there were some other things I wanted to respond to, but this is the week from hell. I will try and get back to the thread later tonight.

Hugs for the hell week.

I get a lot of what you're saying here, you thought he @'d Thoth to be LAMIST and then panicked when Thoth laid down an ace and the crosshairs switched to a scummate. I just don't get why scum!Mag1c would choose the dumbest of a handful of better tactics in that pinch.

Reminds me of that scene in Scary Movie where the girl is confronted by a masked murderer and sees five items on a table -- a gun, two knives, a grenade, and a banana -- and grabs the banana to defend herself with. "It's just crazy enough to work" makes sense when you don't have many other good options, but he did. And yeah no argument here that he could have handled it better, indignation followed by ragequit was costly for town and he could have shed the heat a lot sooner with a claim.