Wryly

Gotta get busy now and by the time I'm back on I don't feel like I'll get much opportunity at interlocution, mon capitaine. Any extension you might grant would be appreciated.

I think Pie has a point about the possibility that scum were given a substantial character as a fake claim, which is probably why he's still wary of you.

This could either be town paranoia or scum!Pie laying the groundwork for a push on major characters. I'm at a 50/50 seesaw right now on all matters Pie.

Since I know Link is town and Zelda was town, that kind of destroys that theory of his for me. Actually, I don't know of any major characters besides Zelda and Link... if there are others, I guess his theory could hold water.

meant to tag you in above

I guess I'm just having difficulty believing that you guys really thought scum!Mag1c would do something that dumb. I mean, he had the opportunity to hammer without even @ing Thoth, he didn't. He had the opportunity to say he didn't even see the Link claim when he hammered -- both his VTL and Thoth's claim were posted at 9:38 -- but he didn't. He could even have said he thought he was putting Thoth at L-1 instead of hammering. He had a lot of safer options he could've used than "I straight up got confused about who I was, oops".

Caveats are that I doubt a Rex/Pie team bc it's just smarter for one scum to aggro while the other hangs back, and I've never actually seen wylted play scum so I have a harder time contrasting his scum and town plays than the rest of you.

So I take it the push for Thoth to full claim was largely due to inactivity, which was no fault of his due to technical issues, and I plan to be active now anyway.

Got caught up on DP1 and re-skimmed DP2, my reads so far:

Magoroth -- Gotta say he's been acting really (gasp) normal this game, in contrast to how I'm used to him playing, and it's raising an eyebrow for me. Vanilla Peatrice could easily be a fake claim. I should take a look at MAGA mafia to see what his scum game looks like, but for now, null.

whiteflame -- Unreadable as ever, null.

Mag1c -- If you're reading this, you shouldn't feel bad for misreading your PM, but maybe a little bad for seppukuing our Cop.

Pie -- The big decision for me here is whether to scumread him for the Mag1c push. I think most people seemed largely willing to overlook Mag1c's mistake until Pie started putting the pressure on. If Pie is scum, very possible he could've smelled an easy pimple to pop and started squeezing. An argument can be made that Pie is just as much a bloodhound as town, so I haven't made up my mind yet.

Rex -- I'm liking Rex for what he's been saying about his PM, but he tunneled Mag1c as well, so again I'm questioning if it was honest suspicion or opportunism.

wylted -- A possibility. I don't share your guys' townread of him, the misspellings he's talked about could easily just be in a fake claim provided by Kohai. Only way Kohai could have adjusted the game to allow character claiming is if he changed the theme split or gave fake claims, so I'm guessing fake claims are likely in the game.

Lunatic -- He spent most of DP1 railing at Thoth over the wylted policy lynch, but this DP I did like his read of the Mag1c/Pie situation.

tyvm

I remember when I had to put you at L-1 to get you to soft claim in Chicago Bears mafia. Why were you hunky-dory about softing in this game?

Heyo guys o/

Got a nurse coming out I gotta meet, will post more afterward

Preliminary thoughts, was surprised people tried to push the argument that a scum!Mag1c would have decided to fake-CC Thoth after the Link claim. Smart play as scum would be to back off the wagon at that point and switch targets. Going for an "oops hammered him by accident bc I misread my PM" is such an unnecessarily dumb and risky scum play, especially if he was just gonna go on to fake claim a character whose gender was opposite the one he initially softed, that I thought this would push him more into everyone's townlean (albeit not townlock) pile.

There were a lot of comparisons to when Mikal did it in Alien mafia, but the important distinction there is that Mikal didn't counter-claim the person he hammered under the pretense that he misread his PM. He saw that Kohai had miscounted the votes and took the opportunity to pretend he thought he was just putting the guy at L-1. A lot smarter and safer for scum.

Have you been following the game?

Been skimming, laughing, etc. Gonna take me a while to get fully caught up

Thank you for agreeing to sub in for this! If you need info on what's gone down so far (hopefully you have some insight already), I can give you a breakdown.

Np, they couldn't find anyone else on short notice. and yeah that would be much appreciated

Absolute cinema

I double-checked, and I was misremembering. You actually lied about your fakeclaim in that game, you said you were in footballers but your actual character (Ted Lasso) was in coaches & staff with me. Pretty wild that Magic still managed to hit you, I was assuming the soft claim was why they successfully made the hit.

I guess the moral of the story is to do a fake claim but lie?

what the actual fuck

new conspiracy theories born

Thx, but I think Mag1c makes 9

I'd like to help out but I was afraid I wouldn't be able to make post minimum. Have you got a sub

I was having a good time. Was slightly frustrating having a constant back and forth with mago but I had a pretty solid POE going.

You really didn't need to go back and forth with him that much imo, his arguments on you were gaining no traction with anyone else and at a certain point it became repetitive.

ty, i just need to work on my skills at convincing other people the way pie does, that whole ordeal was an uphill struggle but it seemed ez for him lol

and i knew you were town, i had town read u from the beginning, ur my only read that i was like 100% sure on and never changed all game

Fistbump. I townread you as well but the sporadic activity and your disarming banana-ness made me paranoid until later in the game.

Idk why I was scumread so much this game.

It was interesting to me how little theme was discussed. One of the reasons I settled on this theme was because at the time I was annoyed by the softclaiming meta. This theme to me seemed pretty impervious to softclaiming for multiple reasons, so I was glad to see that town agreed and was stumped by it. I think this led to theme as a whole falling to the wayside, with many people role claiming before character claiming.

A big part of the point of theme analysis for me is being able to sniff out fake claims. With full fake claims provided, that was all made moot, and since you said there wasn't much point analyzing theme anyway, I kind of just quit thinking about it.

You’re welcome for the win. It seemed like you were the only one besides Luna trying so we decided to give you the win too and leave the gross, smelly town behind

Appreciated, it was a frustrating game for me in townville

Your posts were pretty fire despite being under pressure, props

Not sure if wryly is saying she knows David is town with that post

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I assume empress is from total favor and for all we know after favor is awarded it can be manipulated by scum. If town has roles that can take or redistribute it not sure why scum wouldnt

Then the only claimed role that could steal favor from Pie after it's given by Vader tonight would be your Slanderer.

Now you can sub in for me!

Vader said his favor distribution can't be interfered with so

Where tf were you mama ho

DebateCraft should've known I meant Rex

I suddenly feel like shit about this vote now. Literally just lynched an inactive again. Oh well, that's one down from the POE in any case.

the tag didn't work because I blearily typed "Rex" into the Mentions bar

I have serious mafia brain fatigue rn so I need you to say "guilty" or I riot

Kohai is at L-1

The paranoia is now kicking in, whispering of a Pie/whiteflame pairing. Silence, voices

You might as well confirm Slanderer as well, and as someone with neutered roles, it might as well be me. I have 4 favor currently. Take me down to 3.

Please let Pie confirm Lynchproof