Wryly

I have no time today. Not gonna be able to think about this as much as I'd like

Who else was on that MU game and can confirm Magoroth acted very differently there?

Since Governor can be a town or mafia role, it won't confirm anything, unfortunately.

Ping

MafiaWiki lists Governor as a town or mafia role.

Governor isn't that far from dayvig? It is literally the opposite of a dayvig.

Honestly my original suspicion was Mag1cman/Shining. Mag1c tried to get a Cop to claim; they both started FOSing Magoroth as soon as he reported Sensor results; Shining has been agreeing with Mag1c quite a bit and Mag1c has been trying to put distance between himself and Shining a little too much.

Now? Who the fuck knows.

Uh... Right. Fuck. This crazy gambit of his really blew up my POEs. I had a solidish town lean on Thoth, that's gone. He's just been too cagey, reckless, and deceitful this DP. Whatever scumhunting he was trying to do came at the cost of his credibility and town's efficiency imo.

A dayvig really would've helped me narrow down the POE by eliminating him from suspicion. Governor does nothing. He could easily be scum straight claiming Governor, so even if he confirms his role this DP we've gotten no further.

Where the hell do I even go from here.

If Thoth is scum, I know his partner can only be Magoroth or Kohai.

If Thoth is not scum, then scum are popping champagne and celebrating right now because Thoth has distracted town from their trail very well with this play.

Sigh.

Shit.

*rubs temples*

Negative or positive depending on how much more or less accurate the Governor's reads are compared to everyone else's.

I call giving one person's judgment that much power to overturn everyone else's a terribly swingy and net negative mechanic for town.

It is so rash to just randomly claim a dayvig in the middle of the DP and make up some bullshit about the last ten seconds of a match when people question why you waited so long.

Governor is listed as Occasionally in that list he posted earlier. And Governors can be town or scum. But a town Gov would be negative utility, and we already have a claimed Hated and a claimed Roleblocker. That's a lot of negative utility for town.

This whole time I've been telling myself you've just been acting too weird to be scum, but this is too much

Mag1c wants Thoth to use his big guys

Alright, probably just better to admit I fucked up. I'm Governor, not a dayvig. I lied about being dayvig because I thought the prospect of ending the game today if I shot one mafioso and we lynched the other would scare scum into doing something telling.

Welp

You just said earlier your day vig can only be used alongside a lynch

You said your role was listed as Occasionally in this list. Vigilante is listed as Common. Only Vigilante role listed as Occasionally there is Claim Vigilante, the description of which does not match up with your role as you describe it.

The late dayvig claim, as well as his weird coy conjecture about you, were both weird.

I am amenable to Shining, so that's 2 votes on him.

If Magoroth is telling the truth, and so is Thoth, I think our possible pairings are Mag1c/Shining and Shining/Kohai. If Magoroth is lying, but Thoth is telling the truth, I think our pairings are Magoroth/Kohai or Magoroth/you, the latter of which I doubt for reasons already stated. If Magoroth and Thoth are both lying we'll at least expose Thoth when he fails to dayvig and lynch him then.

You think, under whiteflame's guidance, Magoroth has been acting this weird and suspicious.

Who do you think is his scummate then

Who would be your preference for dayvig target

We're not lynching anyone. We're using Thoth's dayvig in lieu of a lynch to confirm Thoth is town.

Magoroth/Thoth - unless Thoth fails to follow through on his dayvig or is 3P, I don't see how it's possible

I stg someone must have lobotomized me while I slept last night

I'm not deadset on it being plausible so much as deadset on knowing to what degree I can confidently discredit the possibility of X number of roletypes being in a game.

What say you

Why are you two obsessed with there being 3 investigation roles

Do you know something we don't

Magoroth would be putting him scum mate in the PoE always. Because he has two PoEs.

One for wagon, one for non wagon.

Yeah this was the only foggy area for me. But let's say Magoroth is scum, and lying.

Magoroth/You - not possible, you're tunneling him

Magoroth/whiteflame - possible I suppose, but I just don't see Magoroth playing it like he has with whiteflame in his scumchat

Magoroth/Thoth - unless Thoth fails to follow through on his dayvig or is 3P, I don't see how it's possible

Magoroth/Shining - Shining is FOSing Magoroth

Magoroth/Kohai - kind of the only possible pairing if Magoroth is scum, imo

So if Magoroth is scum, for me it ultimately comes down to whether a case can be made against Kohai.

Well that strengthened my town lean on Thoth, fake claiming a confirmable day role would be stupid. Only way I don't see him being town rn is if he's 3P.

If I eliminate Thoth pairings then from my possible pairings, we're left with

Mag1cman/Shining

Shining/Kohai

So either way, Shining.

This is assuming there are only 2 scum, and that Magoroth would not fake claim Sensor and put his scummate in the POE.

Can I get a full claim

I need a nap. I'll be back later.

Actually that's a mistake because my brain is in four places at once today, I mislisted them as a pairing.

That last Magoroth/Shining is wrong and I forgot to update it but oh well.

Right, so that leaves us with possible pairings of

Mag1cman/Shining

Kohai/Magoroth

Thoth/Kohai

Shining/Kohai

Thoth/Magoroth