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Barry Berkman

Gene Cousineau

Goran Pazar

Sally Reed

Jim Moss


Yeah I'm no closer to figuring out the theme split, even supposing one or more of these is a fake claim.


Jim Moss sticks out as being the only character not in season 1.

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Appreciate the claim, and don't worry about the inactivity. Illness happens.


Okay, I buy Barry Berkman; he has to be in the game and scum are never gonna fake claim him.


I'm unsure of the implications on Shining's claim. Strengthener implies scum have an RB and Shining could be a scum RB claiming Jailbreaker as a cover. Everyone who's claimed or flipped has a major character from season 1 except Shining. Jim Moss seems like a bit of a pull.


What happens if you strengthen someone who's been Jailkept? Does it prevent the roleblock or the roleblock and the protection?

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I received no such message


If you didn't execute an action that doesn't mean much; if you did it means quite a bit

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Sorry to hear about your health problems, Thoth. Feel better soon.


Do you mind claiming?

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If Shining is telling the truth, you either have a passive, waived your action, or got an action failed message last NP. Did you get an action failed message?

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I literally did the same thing in a similiar game once as scum in a mafia game. I literally claimed Ken Jeong as Doctor because I asked if a Doctor was in the game and Luna said no because that was setup. This point is inherently null and it's still a RB. It's also such an easy fake claim.


But if it had turned out there was a Jailkeeper in that game it would still have been sus for you to claim Doctor. Likewise if it turns out there's a Doctor or something in this game it will be sus that he has Jailkeeper.

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And how do you know I’m not a protective role or someone else isn’t?


No one has claimed one; if someone came forward with one that would put some pressure on Shining.

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I'm on the road right now but I see many of us sussed Pie. I listed my reasons and I thought he gave some decent responses. Why is he on y'all's scum pile?

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Didn't think of Jailbreaker being an easy cover for an RB. Whether the justification works, eh idk. He did claim with minimal pressure.
My issue with that is that it's pretty ballsy to be the first dude to claim a protective role as scum. The counterclaim risk would be pretty high.


Yeah I think I said this in #98 and it's my main reason for hesitating on Shining. No one else has yet claimed a protective role either




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Didn't think of Jailbreaker being an easy cover for an RB. Whether the justification works, eh idk. He did claim with minimal pressure.

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Ok so the wording of post #89 in DP1 just threw me then.


I thought Luna's method would at least have prevented scum from waiting until the majority of players had softed and then just going with the majority answer. If someone's soft was too vague it could have been singled out and pressed.

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Town is so sleepy this game this is all a conspiracy to keep my ELO in the Mariana Trench


If I lose this game I want to be stricken from the leaderboards like an ancient Roman damnatio memoriae thing

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That would be you actually. I calculated the risk you being some PR, and prioritized saving you from a potential NK.


How did you calculate that?

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No need to pressure me. I am Jim Moss and I am the Jailkeeper. My justification is that I am really good at interrogations and manipulation so that makes me a JK.


So I noticed this wasn't on Lunatic's DP1 list and I guess it's because this character doesn't make an appearance until season three, but WF confirmed the character list does cover the whole series. While it's possible Jim Moss could be a fake claim -- he doesn't seem like a central character for the first several seasons -- I doubt scum would want to claim a protective role since one is probably already in the game. I'll town pile Shining for the moment.

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Happy to unpack


  1. the whole line of conjecture about Ceru possibly being a Godfather claiming a Miller/Gravedigger seemed like a weird reach to me and was an early ??? on my radar
  2. when questioned on it you pivoted to "well the scum partner could be the Godfather" which wasn't what you originally said and was again pretty weird
  3. this all struck me as tryhardy for a Ceru lynch
  4. you resisted soft claiming
  5. you were on Ceru hard and then pivoted to Kohai as soon as he said he could prove his role
  6. on the other hand, you've probably been the best contributor and most active, as you said, your behavior seems townie to me, and there's a good argument to be made for Kohai being a last minute lynch of necessity


tl;dr mixed signals

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Thoth - ??? - ???

Pie - ??? - ???

Wryly - character knows how to use a gun - ???

Vader - ??? - ???

RexFavilla - ??? - unknown role confirmed by Wryly

Shining - Jim Moss - Jailkeeper

Cerulean - Goran Pazar - Gravedigger


Graveyard:

Kohai - Gene Cousineau - Dreamer

Lunatic - Sally Reed - Informed Townie

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I'd like a claim from you as well. I've got mixed signals from you this game that I'm not sure how to interpret. I'm sure there was at least one scum on Kohai's wagon, and while I get the argument that it was a last minute thing, I'd still like some more info on those involved.

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Determined to kick up some more activity this DP. Let's discuss at least soft claims. We've made little progress.

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Are you role and affiliation confirmed or just role.


No affiliation confirmation.