Wryly

Ya this is a good point. Maybe add another category like other. Human, Alien, Other

If we're gonna go with this, Other

I'm cool to do the human/not human soft too, that isolates androids and creatures as well as xenomorphs, so it's not so limiting. Just keeping in mind that we have cyborgs and hybrids, so how is someone who falls in those categories supposed to answer?

Maybe it wouldn’t be a bad idea for everyone to soft claim Xenomorph or Not Xenomorph

I am not a xenomorph.

Upon re reading I think I may have misunderstood Thoth. The only issue I have is him claiming a Xenomorph but my character is the Xenomorph. I admit that I know nothing about the Alien franchise so I had thought the Xenomorph was an individual character and not necessarily an entire species.

They're an entire species, but there are individuals in it that stood apart, like the queen in Aliens, the sort of proto-xenomorph in Prometheus, the hybrid that called Ripley "mama." Etc. I didn't see Romulus or Covenant, possibly more there.

Seems kind of weird for Lunatic to give people individual xenomorphs from the species but give you the whole species, but not impossible, I guess.

My character justifies thoths in a way.

Meaning it is also a xenomorph, or what?

reading through the last game I’d rather get a claim early as she is still learning and the accidental new player aura confused a bunch of people. Also new players as scum tend to skip. So locking down early helps

Can't see myself hard claiming earlier than DP2, happy to softclaim once we settle on a soft.

Skip? Or slip you mean. Wouldn't that work in town's favor

Going off of this your claim, I think softclaiming whether our characters are or are not human seems like the way to do it. Mine is not human.

You'd need to define "human" clearly, as Alien: Earth introduces some things that blur the line. I guess Alien Resurrection did as well, with all that alienspliced Ripley and Ripleyspliced alien.

We hates Alien Resurrection, we hates it precious. Ripley wasn't even Ripley no more.

Unvote

Busy today will catch up tonight

Imagine causing so much misdirection last game that you're random number generating a vote to put us at ease

NICE TRY

VTL Thoth

Reason: Thoth

Probably a good idea to soft claim something if anyone has any ideas

original movies/spinoffs?

Okay just letting everyone know that canonically, Ripley and Newt got away and lived happily ever after. I will be acknowledging the alternate timeline of Aliens 3 and 4 for the context of this game, and the context of this game ONLY, but they literally never happened I need everyone to know that. Ripley and Newt got away and they both got therapy and Ripley raised Newt as her daughter. Anyone who says this isn't canon is trying to sabotage my mental health and I will report them for cyberbullying immediately. #RipleyAndNewtLived

Damn it fine but I dont promise to be one whit better of a player, not one whit

In/alien

It was a fortunate, for me, coincidence that we had a Doctor in this game despite Pie using them rarely enough that Lunatic reasonably concluded that it was evidence against Wryly.

I should've pointed out that Strongman counterbalances Doctor and there's not a great reason to put Strongman in otherwise, as WF pointed out, but I definitely did not think of it.

He wanted me to claim that I saw something that indicated that my results had been tampered with, hence why I did not claim immediately, and by claiming I Tracked him, nobody would have information to the contrary, unless perhaps RT Asceticized Magic. I told Magic that, if I were Tracker and I knew that I had been interfered with, I should have claimed this ASAP to let town know there is a role that can tamper with information. He replied that a Tracker would have good reason to hide their role so they could get more usefulness out of it. I said in the day thread that I had been debating with myself whether or not to claim, then claimed, and I believe nobody pressured me about it.

So the goal was to gin up suspicion that there was a scum role that interfered with role results?

tyvm, very enlightening

Then the only reason my waive didn't bite me in the ass more is that I was in the POE, honestly. It kept me alive. And I definitely misjudged when you'd use your power, I thought for sure you would've conserved your 1x Strongman until later. Ofc, I didn't know Thoth had been given such a whopper of a JOAT.

THEN WHY ARENT YOU SIGNING UP REEE *smashes keyboard*

The self-visit claim was Magic's idea. I did not like it, but he was insistent and my objections to that one never got vocal, although some of my other disagreements with him did.

Why was he so insistent?

Also why did you guys decide you should straightclaim Gilan but fake claim Erak?

I didn't even realize there were leaderboards for Mafia what

Yes yes I saw

I'm aware. That post was in response to what Lunatic said:

I chalked up the self visit to pie having odd mechanics about how roles and visits work, but generally understood that mafia tend to self visit more than town.

I mean if I had unlimited shots waiving would be dumb and scummy, but as a 2x doc should my SOP really be to take a shot in the dark NP1.

2. Why didn't anyone ask Lunatic if he was a 1x or 2x dreamer? RT even used his Asceticizer on Lunatic NP2, I assume to protect him if he had a second dream to spend?

I didn't want to know. If scum thought he had more than one shot as a dreamer they might NK him and confirm POE for us. Better to let them overestimate the threat he posed and kill someone who had already outlived his usefulness instead of a better role that still had utility. If he did have extra shots then best not to call attention to it because it would draw the NK. One thing I dislike about the meta here is overclaiming. There's information that can hurt scum if you withhold it or misrepresent it. There's already an information asymmetry at play, you don't have to give them even more to work on.

Lol duh. Ty.

So when you targeted Luna you were also risking blocking a second dream

Edit: hadn't read your above post yet

I'm confused, how can Mharman's power self visit. Someone had to reflect his power back at him for Thoth's tracking results to be correct, right? Who did you think did that?

Did you ever claim 2x?

DP2 #88

What didn't make sense to me as the DP dragged on was Wryly coming out and saying 'oh boy, I visited the NK as doc and they still died, what happened?' Scum Mharman would never let a coached Wryly come out with that. And if I were her scum partner, I would tell her to waive the nightkill to fake confirm her role - whether its three of four players surviving, scum wins if town mislynches.

Argh I should have made this argument DP4.

Why go so hard on Mikal DP1?

sorry I was wrong town, but can’t get it right all the time. Did my best.

Also no judgment Thoth played a great game

I thought my DP4 arguments concerning Thoth's read of a Magic self-visit would persuade you. Why didn't they and what could I have done to make them more persuasive

I have some noob questions if anyone doesn't mind.

1. Why is it bad for a doctor to waive NP1? I know people scumread it but why. What i looked up seemed to indicate doctors should play conservatively.

2. Why didn't anyone ask Lunatic if he was a 1x or 2x dreamer? RT even used his Asceticizer on Lunatic NP2, I assume to protect him if he had a second dream to spend?

3. Why did Magic try to float the argument that Pie wouldn't put a Hider in a 9 player game?

Wait so which power did Thoth use on me to block my protection of Rex?

You Doctored Rex and I killed you, then Bus Driver sent the kill to Rex and your Doctor to yourself. I was surprised that Bus Driver redirected night kills too. That play was Magic's idea. I think it might have been better to Redirect you to Lunatic because that Bus Driver play would have failed if you had self-doctored.

Okay I see. Nah it was the right play because there was no way I was gonna self-doctor at that point. You would be stupid to NK me with only the two of us left in the POE. And I had no idea what a bus driver was so I wouldn't have anticipated that play.

I definitely made more blunders than bullseyes here. I was too worried about wasting my shots in NP1; i didnt want to have no shots NP3 when id probably have better reads. Protecting Magic was dumb. Magic convinced me to mislynch Mikal and I mislynched Casey just because her role gave us ex post facto information. And I should have tagged Luna way more in DP4, I dont think my arguments were reaching him

Okay i just didn't understand how bus driver worked. Grr. My one correct protection. Maybe after Rex died anyway i should have just claimed to have protected Luna. Might have looked less suspicious because he raised an eyebrow at that