Wryly
In the only other game I've played, mafia all had offensive/sabotaging powers. Is this not always the case?
I don't know about this site's meta, but, in the other group I play with, it's common for scum (werewolves) to have defensive abilities, most commonly Tough, which is a one-time protection from any kill, including a lynch. I might be wrong, but I get the sense that lynch protection is unheard of on here.


Just wondering why Magic would have a reason to visit himself if he's scum

Wryly

I still don't know why whiteflame was offed in particular in NP1, still need Magic to claim, and still don't know what the theme split is.


Casey reads null to me behaviorally. I only FOS her because of the dreamer three, her claim seems the most sus.


Rex's claim seems solid, but a weak roleblocker still seems weird to me -- what use is it? -- and his whole "whiteflame is town confirmed! oh oopsy I didn't see he was already dead..." initially raised a red flag for me.


Magic -- led a false wagon DP1 and now won't claim except some vague hint about "everything and nothing."


The big question is whether Luna is telling the truth. He hinted Morgarath as early as page 1 of DP1, which if fake was a risky play. Was asleep for the flip to a Mikal lynch but questioned Magic's sus of him. Behavior has been pretty townie this DP imo. But dreamer from Morgarath still seems weird to me.

Wryly

I honestly don't grok role analysis enough yet but it doesn't seem to get us very far; Magic thought it was sus that there would be a hider in a 9 player game and that turned out to be wrong.

Wryly

Seems very possible to me Casey cooked up the Diploment claim in or before DP1 and waited to claim until DP2 when she knew she'd have info on a townie's fief.

Wryly
If we want to swap to Magic, I'll gladly board that wagon, and I could less eagerly join a wagon on Casey, but my scumdar is blaring after seeing that Wryly ascribed her (in)action to noobiness. I get that we were all new once, according to Bolzano's theorem, and I get that newbies make mistakes, but explicitly playing the newbie card reads hard to me as scraping the bottom of the excuse barrel. I know that because I did it once and it worked.


Actually such a newb I googled "mafia doctor strategy" before the game and the search results said this:



Guides seemed to say remain inconspicous & wait until you're sure. My attempt to remain inconspicuous was taken as at best noncommittalness and at worst shadiness. And waiting until I had a town confirmation turned out to be bad advice.


So I wasted an attempt to help town and now might not get a chance to.

Wryly

Welp, I think I'm forced to claim here. I'm Malcolm, a skilled healer who hides out in Grimsdell Forest and has helped out the Rangers more than once. Thus I am the 2x Doctor.


Last NP I just didn't have a good read on anyone and waived, which was a newb mistake, I see now. Should've taken a shot in the dark knowing I might not have another chance. Mikal and whiteflame, as well as Thoth, seemed to have made the most effort in sussing people out, and I was tempted to pick one of them, but I just wasn't sure and decided to save my shots. Newb indecision.


I can't shake the feeling that Luna just tricked 3 townies into claiming. It's just, Dreamer based on Morgarath being ambitious and tenacious? I have no experience with how dreamers are justified, but that seems kind of loose.

Wryly
As for what happened yesterday, I had a theory and it didn’t work out.

Im shocked at a hider in a 9player game, especially for Pie. And I guess Mikal just plays hider differently than I do.


Honestly wish Mikal had been more active and more responsive to your arguments, his absence of an explanation for why he didn't decide to bait an NK was a contributing factor for my vote switch.

Wryly
Here’s an idea. You could soft. Give Lunatic a code word that relates to your role, that only he could know from your past conversations with him.

Gimme a sec to think of one for my role as an example.

If he catches the hint and townreads you off it, you don’t claim.

Thoughts, Lunatic?


Pie and occasionally you are the only Mafia players I ever saw on the actual forums, and I never was much on the discord server until recently.

Wryly

Okay, that's pretty persuasive, although you yourself said you were just asleep for the lynch. You did argue with Magic about Mikal though. One more person asking me to claim will push me over.

Wryly
Imagine Luna fakeclaiming Dreamer again LMAO.

I believe him tho, and I'll claim my character. Alyss. I'll fullclaim as well, but I at least want Thoth and Wryly to claim what fief they are from (if they are from Araluen) first. There is a small chance we can catch scum this way.


Combined with my earlier clue it seems like declaring Fief would as good as give me away.

Wryly

Am I always going to feel this dumb after a mislynch. Magic you either did really well or missed bad.


It would be foolish of me to full claim rn, but I will if I get a wagon on me. Willing to soft claim more. Like Evanlyn, my character once used an alias.