Wryly

Yeah brain fart

Well scum has steamrolled town this game, so well done scum.

I protected Magic. Knew either Luna or Thoth was scum. Figured if it was Thoth, they wouldn't NK either me or Luna. That left Rex, RT, and Magic to choose from. Didn't trust Rex. RT's role didn't seem super crucial. Gambled on Magic. Figured 50/50 he was scum but what the hell. If he wasn't he'd be a sure target with all that "I can save it for us DP3" rhetoric. Risky move not claiming until DP3 when everyone else had, and something about the way he went full steam at Mikal DP1 just struck me as unscummy.

So now I know it's either Rex and Luna or Thoth and Magic. Magic, if you're scum, you played well and we who are about to die salute you.

I've been reading Thoth as pretty town so far but I honestly forgot about JOATs. Not a bad point. But I feel like I just have no reason to scumread him at all. His behavior has read townie, his track of Magic is (kind of?) confirmed, and he wasn't on the Mikal bandwagon.

The imbalance argument is meh. Rex's role is barely investigative. As for "there are three protective roles", Rex's power could only stop a kill if it was delivered via power, like poisoner or something, and he'd die in the process. That's pretty weak. Mikal could only stop an NK if he baited scum, and he could also cost town two kills for the price of one. Having a doctor this game makes sense to me.

I'll also argue I only "went with the flow" for the Mikal vote, which you also "went with the flow" on.

You've been kind of all over the place. First going at the dreamer, now going at the only other person in the three with a vote already there. I've said before you were behaviorally null to me and only your role was sus. Now I'm more confident in a vote.

VTL Casey

Your lack of comment on Casey’s vote is interesting

Dealing with gran's hospital stuff on the phone will post soon

I notice RationalTheist is just flying smoothly under y'all's radar. Is your DP1 analysis of him unchanged?

Are you confirm, deny, or no comment on visiting yourself last NP

Unless Thoth had tracked him that NP.

So if Rex had targeted scum NP1 he'd be dead and we'd have no idea who he targeted or what scum power got blocked. Still seems... suboptimal.

Also my trip is off to kind of a shitty start. I just got sick and threw up out of nowhere. 🙃

Oof, that sucks. I hate getting sick on a trip I was looking forward to. Well, on any trip really. The least the universe can do is let you be sick in your own toilet.

In the only other game I've played, mafia all had offensive/sabotaging powers. Is this not always the case?

I don't know about this site's meta, but, in the other group I play with, it's common for scum (werewolves) to have defensive abilities, most commonly Tough, which is a one-time protection from any kill, including a lynch. I might be wrong, but I get the sense that lynch protection is unheard of on here.

Just wondering why Magic would have a reason to visit himself if he's scum

RT said in post #7 that he did not target anyone last night.

Goddamn Wryles get it together

Who did you target NP1?

I still don't know why whiteflame was offed in particular in NP1, still need Magic to claim, and still don't know what the theme split is.

Casey reads null to me behaviorally. I only FOS her because of the dreamer three, her claim seems the most sus.

Rex's claim seems solid, but a weak roleblocker still seems weird to me -- what use is it? -- and his whole "whiteflame is town confirmed! oh oopsy I didn't see he was already dead..." initially raised a red flag for me.

Magic -- led a false wagon DP1 and now won't claim except some vague hint about "everything and nothing."

The big question is whether Luna is telling the truth. He hinted Morgarath as early as page 1 of DP1, which if fake was a risky play. Was asleep for the flip to a Mikal lynch but questioned Magic's sus of him. Behavior has been pretty townie this DP imo. But dreamer from Morgarath still seems weird to me.

In the only other game I've played, mafia all had offensive/sabotaging powers. Is this not always the case?

Thanks it's been a long day. My b, Rex.

You said in post #233 that visiting you could be dangerous in NP1. Why?

Why no claim

It does seem like a suicide role--block the correct person and you die.

I guess the argument is that two townies who can die if they target the wrong person seems too much... mm, idk.

I honestly don't grok role analysis enough yet but it doesn't seem to get us very far; Magic thought it was sus that there would be a hider in a 9 player game and that turned out to be wrong.

Seems very possible to me Casey cooked up the Diploment claim in or before DP1 and waited to claim until DP2 when she knew she'd have info on a townie's fief.

If we want to swap to Magic, I'll gladly board that wagon, and I could less eagerly join a wagon on Casey, but my scumdar is blaring after seeing that Wryly ascribed her (in)action to noobiness. I get that we were all new once, according to Bolzano's theorem, and I get that newbies make mistakes, but explicitly playing the newbie card reads hard to me as scraping the bottom of the excuse barrel. I know that because I did it once and it worked.

Actually such a newb I googled "mafia doctor strategy" before the game and the search results said this:

Guides seemed to say remain inconspicous & wait until you're sure. My attempt to remain inconspicuous was taken as at best noncommittalness and at worst shadiness. And waiting until I had a town confirmation turned out to be bad advice.

So I wasted an attempt to help town and now might not get a chance to.

*Magic and whiteflame, sorry

Welp, I think I'm forced to claim here. I'm Malcolm, a skilled healer who hides out in Grimsdell Forest and has helped out the Rangers more than once. Thus I am the 2x Doctor.

Last NP I just didn't have a good read on anyone and waived, which was a newb mistake, I see now. Should've taken a shot in the dark knowing I might not have another chance. Mikal and whiteflame, as well as Thoth, seemed to have made the most effort in sussing people out, and I was tempted to pick one of them, but I just wasn't sure and decided to save my shots. Newb indecision.

I can't shake the feeling that Luna just tricked 3 townies into claiming. It's just, Dreamer based on Morgarath being ambitious and tenacious? I have no experience with how dreamers are justified, but that seems kind of loose.

What have Casey's red flags been for you?

More softing: if I give my character away I basically give my power away.

As for what happened yesterday, I had a theory and it didn’t work out.

Im shocked at a hider in a 9player game, especially for Pie. And I guess Mikal just plays hider differently than I do.

Honestly wish Mikal had been more active and more responsive to your arguments, his absence of an explanation for why he didn't decide to bait an NK was a contributing factor for my vote switch.

Here’s an idea. You could soft. Give Lunatic a code word that relates to your role, that only he could know from your past conversations with him.

Gimme a sec to think of one for my role as an example.

If he catches the hint and townreads you off it, you don’t claim.

Thoughts, Lunatic?

Pie and occasionally you are the only Mafia players I ever saw on the actual forums, and I never was much on the discord server until recently.

Okay, that's pretty persuasive, although you yourself said you were just asleep for the lynch. You did argue with Magic about Mikal though. One more person asking me to claim will push me over.

Imagine Luna fakeclaiming Dreamer again LMAO.

I believe him tho, and I'll claim my character. Alyss. I'll fullclaim as well, but I at least want Thoth and Wryly to claim what fief they are from (if they are from Araluen) first. There is a small chance we can catch scum this way.

Combined with my earlier clue it seems like declaring Fief would as good as give me away.