whiteflame

I got that there are multiple species, it's just very odd that he seems to be softing that he's a whole species and not a character.

Some more soft claim for tomorrow - I am an exceedingly dangerous species of monster/animal.

I've been trying to research this and I'm unclear if there's even a character that fits this description. Seeing a lot of horses and a couple of dogs. I guess it's possible that you're just a whole species as Wryly interprets it or some more minor character than I'm privy to from my limited search, but considering RT's claim was Tug and not horses, it comes off as an outlier.

I'm here until the deadline.

Just now seeing your post. That would give us four on Mikal's lynch, but we'd all need to do it and we'd still need one more vote.

Well, we've got a half an hour left and with only Wryly talking about any shift in their vote, this is either all onboard the REF train we're not lynching anyone. So, I'll join the wagon, tag everyone who hasn't voted for him (hope one of you hammers), and hope that we can at least get a lynch this DP.

VTL REF

At this point, I could go either way. If someone else ends up bringing REF to L-1 before the end of the DP (looking at about an hour left), I’ll hammer. I’d prefer a lynch to a NL with 9 players in the game.

I'm not the biggest fan of his pushing off like this (the fact that he's posting at all means he could be doing a lot more and also indicates a PR anyway, so he's likely just making himself a target for an RB or NK if he's town), but if REF is willing to full claim next DP, and I mean early next DP, I'm willing to give him the chance to do so:

Unvote

Absent his lynch, Mikal comes off as the next best option, at least for now. I'm going to think it over before I vote him, but tentatively, that's where my vote is.

I am unfortunately too busy today. I might be able to get back on around 5. But I will say this: town will suffer if I am mislynched today as opposed to in the next few dps. If you have a scum read on me keep me in your POE or whatever. But I wouldn't lynch me DP1.

That's going to be a problem since the DP will likely end before then.

Tag

With so little time remaining, we’ve got to push in a direction.

I’m not entirely opposed to the Mikal lynch. I think he’s town, but his relative absence from the DP combined with a negative utility role that could push us into dangerous territory if he gets NK’d along with someone else places him on the chopping block. I think Magic’s right that his claim wasn’t the smartest choice for him, but if he really is just this busy, I don’t think he was taking the time to weigh the options and make the optimal decision.

I’m also willing to push and, depending on his claim at least, lynch REF. I’m not the only one who has sussed his posts so far this game and he’s likely to be the focus of attention in future DPs regardless. I don’t love how he’s pushing attention onto Magic in particular on the basis that he didn’t rile in response to what REF claimed without substatiation was a hard sus on him. We already have two full claims on the table as well as an almost character claim from Luna, so I’m hesitant to get too much info this DP. That’s what is holding me back from pushing for his claim, but we’re not getting anywhere. I’d like to at least see REF get more active in these last several hours, so:

VTL REF

?? Is there some bizarre rule where you can only townread someone based on their reaction to a reaction test? Wouldn't that make reaction tests completely useless?

I said I found it odd that you included the reaction test (which proceeded to get no reaction), then turned around and said that one of your scumreads was real. It's odd to put the test out there, never draw attention to it again, and then just claim a set of reads that includes one of the people on your reaction test as an actual scumread. I find all that pretty puzzling.

I found it odd that Magic is dissecting everything in this game in minute detail and is trying to start discussions with random number tests but didn't speculate at all when I hard scum-read him out of the blue. Isn't responding to that a better opportunity to start engagement/activity ex nihilo than wondering why someone picked a random number?

Considering the collective lack of attention on your reaction test, it's hard to read whether he just missed it or didn't take it seriously. If it's the latter, the lack of follow-up definitely didn't help since it was just a statement out of the blue and you were gone for a long stretch afterward. Just a weird way to run a reaction test and while it is odd that he didn't address it, it's difficult to read given the circumstances.

Well, contrary to that first line, I ended up just doing all my reads. They're not extensive, but there's just not a lot to go off of for a good number of you. I also recognize that picking two of the least active players as null (Casey) and slight scum (REF) respectively is the easy out, but that's made them outliers that I can't ignore.

So we're just missing Casey's softclaim. I'll post a set of reads tonight, though for now, I'm still leaning town on both Mikal and RT. It's not impossible that either of them are just covering for other roles (or in the case of the latter, just claiming their actual role as scum), but it's not what I think is most likely at this stage. Nothing about their behavior so far has really moved the needle, though Mikal's lack of activity means there's just not a lot to read at all.

Harder to read anyone else. Magic's gambit with the number selection was odd, but I can at least see the logic there, even if it didn't pan out as he'd hoped. It comes off as trying to gin up activity and get a little bit of behavioral info, but it could just as easily be a pretty random way to draw attention. If I had to read it, I'd say I'm very slight town on the effort.

Thoth's analysis has been good this game, just can't say that it's pushing me either way as I read back through it, at least beyond a basic gutread. I haven't seen him as scum, so I don't have an indicator of any differences in his scum play, but this all looks pretty akin to last game.

Casey's null to me. I usually have a hard time reading Casey this early and this is no different. Their participation has been in and out, and it's especially hard to read the only person who really hasn't posted all day and left us with no information about their character. When Casey is around, they're reading and participating, but nothing that really pulls me one way or the other.

I've got a slight townread on Luna, if only because I don't think he gives away that he's part of that set of three characters mentioned by Wryly as scum. I think he'd be more coy about it, especially since Morgarath has already been sussed a bit. It's not a lot to go on, since the aim could always be to suggest he's one of them and then develop fake claims for at least two of them given that he's essentially being given character options.

The lack of shit to go off of with REF really hurts my read on him. At minimum, he's null, but I don't love that he started with a reaction test saying he was scumreading Magic and Wryly, then come around with a set of reads that still places one of them as scum. I'm just not sure what to make of his lack of effort this game, but what little effort he is putting in rubs me the wrong way. Slight scum.

I'm slight town on Wryly. In particular, her digging into Luna's likely character claim doesn't come off as something scum would mention publicly. This is the kind of thing Luna and I would talk about extensively in scum chat to nail down who everyone was and try to figure out their roles, it's just a little strange to put that out there as town.

Oh, and Luna confirmed that he's one of a few characters all of whom are male (should've put that in the above list, but I've corrected it here), so I think that more than suffices for him. Right now,

Whiteflame - Male

Casey

Lunatic - Male (one of three listed characters, see post #138)

Mikal - Evanlyn Wheeler - Compulsive Hider

RationalTheist - Tug - Asceticiser

REF - Indeterminate ("unknown" or "both")

Thoth - Male

Magicman - Male

Wryly - Male

Whiteflame - Male

Casey

Lunatic

Mikal - Evanlyn Wheeler - Compulsive Hider

RationalTheist - Tug - Asceticiser

REF - Indeterminate ("unknown" or "both")

Thoth - Male

Magicman - Male

Wryly - Male

Whiteflame - Male

Casey

Lunatic

Mikal - Evanlyn Wheeler - Compulsive Hider

RationalTheist - Tug - Asceticiser

REF

Thoth - Male

Magicman - Male

Wryly - Male

Three left. I agree with Wryly that this might not tell us much, but we need more than we have to inform lynches and this is a place to start.

Cool. Alright, putting this around to others, looking for character softclaims. I won't tag Mikal or RT on this since they already claimed their characters. Also, just to keep track:

Whiteflame - Male

Casey

Lunatic

Mikal - Evanlyn Wheeler - Compulsive Hider

RationalTheist - Tug - Asceticiser

REF

Thoth - Male

Magicman

Wryly

Do we want to get out gender soft-claims like last game? I'm surprised that hasn't been brought up yet.

I'm good with this. I don't think we've gotten a lot of insight yet and I think we need as much as we can get before we start poking for lynches. I'll start:

I'm male.

Since you suggested it, I'll insist that you go next.

That doesn't really answer the question, though. Are they "immune" to visits, i.e. would the visit fail? Would the visit be successful and he just wouldn't Hide behind you? I understand if you may not be able to get the answer to that question since you're asking about a hypothetical role aside from your own (Pie just told me he can't answer any questions about hypothetical roles that aren't mine), so it might just have to be a question that Mikal asks.

Alright, so it does seem like Magic was just trying to examine reactions, which is fine. Good to try any tactic we've got and there's not a lot going on, so it was a decent way to increase discussion.

I can't speak much to the character claims so far. The Hider role does seem pretty well justified for Evanlyn. The Asceticiser justification seems looser for Tug, though I can kind of see where it's coming from. I know a couple of people (at least Casey from what I've seen) have mentioned the odd interaction between their two roles. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some odd role interactions in play, but I'm unclear on how this would even work. Assuming that they're both real and Mikal visits the Asceticised player, does his Hider just cease to function and as a result and he just visits the target? Does the visit fail? I read over the Ascetic role again to see if there were any hints and it may just function as normal. The Ascetic player stops roles from affecting them. A Hider doesn't affect their target per se, and as far as I know, Ascetic players do not prevent visits, just the effects of roles used on them. It's worth asking about and I'd definitely want both Mikal and RT to put that question to Pie. I'll try to get an answer as well.

Maybe Magic’s trying to garner behavioral info from our responses? Gin up more conversation? Honestly not sure what he’d glean from it, but I’m prepared to learn.

Honestly shocked I did that. Maybe it was a subconscious choice, but I didn’t even look back at the list when I made it.

Yeah, I really should pay more attention. Thanks for clarifying.

Seems pretty obvious to me that the names correlate to the numbered list given in the OP.

And this is what lack of attention to basic information in the DP is netting me. Thank you for pointing out the obvious, I feel kinda silly for asking.

Am I a joke to you

I’m clearly just challenged in my reading capabilities. Yes, it appears you too have a different name next to your number choice. Any idea what that’s about?

Results:

Casey: 3 (Lunatic)

Thoth: 7 (Thoth)

RT: 5 (RT)

Whiteflame: 1 (Whiteflame)

Wryly: 4 (Mikal)

Since we’re openly discussing the number thing, I have to ask: why is Casey the only one with a different name next to their number?

im gonna ask: Is there a specific mechanical idea you get I was hinting at?

If I had another reason for selecting that number, I would have given it. I've answered your earlier question as thoroughly as I am able. Aside from the assumption that, since you were asking for numbers from 1-8 and therefore it likely applied to the other 8 players beyond yourself, I had (and still have) no idea what the numbers suggest.

I didn't think about it much in the moment. I picked a number I thought was random. I'm interrogating ex post facto why how that choice was likely biased by existing picks. I don't know what else I can say to explain this.

I'm saying that I didn't have much reasoning for doing it and that what I thought was random at the time was likely driven by where the numbers were trending.

I'd say it was random, but if I had to guess, it was probably because the numbers were trending higher and I noticed both 1 and 2 weren't taken. Decided to fill that gap and made a coin flip choice between them.