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Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 11/3/2026 at 10:16 AM (post #49)

Let’s get Thoth’s role claim

I'm not opposed to this, especially given we don't really have any other direction atm. I do, however, agree with Rex that we're unlikely to get a response for a while. I'm good with just saying he should role claim when he gets on.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/3/2026 at 9:15 AM (post #43)

Actually I just read my role PM and I have to SOP claim - I'm the miller.

Not sure why you'd wait this long to read your own role PM, but I buy it.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/2/2026 at 5:18 PM (post #28)

Pros and cons of a mass role claim.

Pros:

1. We can finally say we did it, and if it blows up in our face spectacularly we can always point back to Jim Carrie mafia as a cautionary tale.
2. YOLO.
3. Right away we'll be able to eliminate the PRs from the POE.
4. Late claimers or resistors could narrow down the POE still further; weak or shady role claims could narrow down the POE still further.
5. After we tighten the POE as much as reasonably possible, we could demand character claims from those in it, this DP -- so they basically have to think of an entire fake claim, role and character, right out the gate, which is a scum nightmare. They'd have to make their invented role at least sorta kinda fit with their character, and they still wouldn't know which characters of the four are safe, so decent chance to trap them in a CC.
6. We could potentially get a correct lynch DP1.

Cons:

1. It's crazy.
2. Everyone has to agree to it.
3. Ideally everyone should claim at the same time, which is difficult to pull off. It's easy to just stall and plead irl stuff.
4. We give away our roles to scum and basically forfeit the night game. Our PRs would be dead quickly and our mech game would be crippled by the transparency we will have brought on ourselves.
5. Whoever is last to claim will have great advantage if they happen to be scum.
6. We could easily still mislynch despite a mass role claim and then we just dropped our trousers for nothing.
7. Lunatic will have a "smh" attitude with us at endgame and that will just be the worst.

I'll admit, I'm tempted just to let this happen so that we can see how wrong it goes. Not going to support it, but if everyone else does, I'll accede to it.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/2/2026 at 1:05 PM (post #12)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 11/2/2026 at 12:57 PM (post #7)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/2/2026 at 12:52 PM (post #5)

Is that Mongo on your pfp???!!!

And Donut, yes. Mongo is appalled!

You started reading the series! I'm delighted.

Been loving it!

Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/2/2026 at 1:24 PM (post #13)

I have been curious how a game would play out if we all claimed our roles on day 1. I am not saying that we should, but, with scum receiving no cover roles, this would be as good of a time of any to try it lol

Setting aside the possibility that scum just end up claiming last or late enough to make convincing role claims with virtually no chance of a CC, I'm just not fond of breaking the game this way. I know you're not actively suggesting it, but I'm always opposed to pushing massclaims out the gate, regardless of the opportunity it presents.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/2/2026 at 12:52 PM (post #5)

Is that Mongo on your pfp???!!!

And Donut, yes. Mongo is appalled!

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/2/2026 at 12:27 PM (post #3)

This is a neat anticlaim mechanic, though it incentivizes town to stay mum about their characters for as long as possible, which precludes the need for fake claims anyway.

Yep. There are a limited number of Jim Carrey movies that scum could choose from, so they may have to take a risk when forced to claim. Meanwhile, every town claim has a chance to be one of the two, increasing their odds that they get a clean character claim. Not a given that scum will be able to come up with a good role claim to pair with it and there's still the possibility of a CC even if they do, but I think it's worth being at least a little careful.

I have a guess at a theme split, but I guess there's no point to discussing theme.

I've got a few, though I'm going to stay mum about them for the time being.

Alright, I'm excited for this one. Been a big fan of Jim Carrey's movies for a long time.

Everyone, please note where it says that scum were given 4 character claims and don't know which two are in the game. Even if you are SOP claiming, please hold off on claiming your character until we can all decide if it's necessary. And in general, everyone should be more hesitant to claim their characters this time around, even if you think the connection to the role isn't obvious (mine certainly isn't).

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/29/2026 at 10:02 PM (post #11)

I thought I was on the chopping block for DP3 because it looked like I was defending Rex over Banana.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/29/2026 at 10:02 PM (post #11)

I thought I was on the chopping block for DP3 because it looked like I was defending Rex over Banana.

Would've been a hard sell if they’d pushed you, at least for me.

Yeah, didn't go particularly well for scum. A lot of attention was on Banana after her claim, and the lack of a claim from Rex led to attention focusing on him at the end of the DP, though POE probably would've doomed you guys tbh. The prolonged back-and-forth with Thoth convinced me he was town, Kohai/Luna were screaming town with the Governor reversal (frankly, if Kohai had stuck around, it would've been the same problem), and I was pretty convinced Wylted was town, so it was mainly a question of whether enough of us would be willing to lynch Magoroth. At least behaviorally, this was the towniest I've seen him in ages, so that would've been a tough sell for me.

Alrighty then. /in

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/27/2026 at 1:12 PM (post #298)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/27/2026 at 11:08 AM (post #291)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/27/2026 at 1:04 PM (post #286)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/27/2026 at 11:03 AM (post #284)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/27/2026 at 1:00 PM (post #281)

i dont undesrtand why u guys are voting for me... can we no lynch? ref is prolly a mislynch and im a mislynch. we should take a hard look at luna tomorrow

We’ve been pinging you for a while to get your reads and this is what you pop in with? Why do you prefer a NL? Why do you think REF is a mislynch? Give us something.

sorry ive ben busy, but i dont think scum would be this afk. someone who has been on and posting is prolly scum, also i think lunatic is prolly scum, thats my gut.

I really don’t get this. Why wouldn’t scum just take advantage of town eating itself by doing nothing?

doesnt feel like that is happening since u r voting me and ref, it seems like scum is active n controllin the narrative doesnt it

I’ve also seen passive scum before just being passive. Frankly, no matter who scum is this game, I think they’re being pretty damn passive, even if they’re actively contributing since so much of the DP has just been letting conversations go.

We spent half the DP arguing about Thoth. And if you believe Luna’s scum, explain Kohai’s reaction to being lynched at the end of the last DP. What makes you think that reaction was staged?

scum fake reactions all the time, he wasnt lynched in reality tho. in mikals game when i was scum thoth kept going with helz way after he was lynched, for example.

So Kohai specifically chose to fake that he’d been town, crash out of the game emotionally, all on the basis that he must have somehow known that a role like mine exists that could reverse his lynch, banking on that outcome… only to then sub out of the game when he was solidly townread? Seriously?

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/27/2026 at 1:06 PM (post #289)

unvote VTL ref

Well… I think that’s the hammer.

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/27/2026 at 1:04 PM (post #286)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/27/2026 at 11:03 AM (post #284)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/27/2026 at 1:00 PM (post #281)

i dont undesrtand why u guys are voting for me... can we no lynch? ref is prolly a mislynch and im a mislynch. we should take a hard look at luna tomorrow

We’ve been pinging you for a while to get your reads and this is what you pop in with? Why do you prefer a NL? Why do you think REF is a mislynch? Give us something.

sorry ive ben busy, but i dont think scum would be this afk. someone who has been on and posting is prolly scum, also i think lunatic is prolly scum, thats my gut.

I really don’t get this. Why wouldn’t scum just take advantage of town eating itself by doing nothing? We spent half the DP arguing about Thoth. And if you believe Luna’s scum, explain Kohai’s reaction to being lynched at the end of the last DP. What makes you think that reaction was staged?

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/27/2026 at 1:00 PM (post #281)

i dont undesrtand why u guys are voting for me... can we no lynch? ref is prolly a mislynch and im a mislynch. we should take a hard look at luna tomorrow

We’ve been pinging you for a while to get your reads and this is what you pop in with? Why do you prefer a NL? Why do you think REF is a mislynch? Give us something.

Got about an hour left. Vote’s on Rex, not super thrilled about lynching him blind, though. Not the end of the world if we do, but I’m willing to shift to Banana if we don’t see him.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/27/2026 at 12:06 PM (post #260)

I get the Rex wagon but something tells me he is likely to flip town

Is this just a gut read or is this coming from somewhere? I still have no idea what your reads are.

Should’ve tagged you on that.

From where I’m sitting, I’m fine either lynching Banana or pushing Rex for a claim (I didn’t realize he was the only totally unclaimed player left in this game). I don’t see a reason why he should get off Scot free when we at least have a character claim from everyone else. And I don’t love his absence from the end of this DP. So for now:

VTL REF

I’ll be around until EoD, so I can shift to Banana if he just doesn’t show up.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/27/2026 at 11:41 AM (post #247)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 14:13 (post #226)

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/27/2026 at 6:14 AM (post #223)

I personally don't see what a mago or rex claim will get us.

I'm down for lynching on what we got. I also don't think my claim will change anyone's read on me one way or another so that's not going to help narrow down scum either.

Alright, so we have:

WF - Alan Wilson (South Carolina) - Governor

Wylted - Ken Paxton (Texas) - ???

Banana - - Watcher (watched WF NP1, no one visited)

Thoth - Keith Kautz (Wyoming) - 2X Adjudicator (failed NP1)

Kohai/Luna2.0 - Gentner Drummond - Pretender

REF - ??? - ???

Mago - ??? - ???

What's your preference atm?

I’m the Attorney General of Kansas, I claimed earlier today, I’m Vote Thief

My bad, I remember you saying that and completely forgot when I posted this.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/27/2026 at 11:40 AM (post #246)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 10:57 PM (post #218)

I'm seriously just trying to get a handle on your thinking, Thoth, so I'm just going to put the focus in one place. You don't have to respond to the above, just address this.

Why did you want other claims to come in before you were willing to claim? Statements like "it will do more harm than good until more info comes out" imply that even stating that your night action had failed was dangerous prior to getting more claims. Walk me through the logic there. I get that you wanted to see if someone would just claim that they had interfered with your action, but why wait? What was the danger? What was the value in waiting? I get not wanting to claim, but I don't get this.

Right, so I think you are looking for a specific chain of reasoning or a specific role I feared cpuld be in the game, when my reasoning was just that I did not know how other claims would pan out and I was defaulting to not claiming without a speciric reason. Dunno why you seem to think claiming is the default.

What I don’t get is why you specifically held off on claiming to receive more claims first. I’m not sure what your logic was and I’m still kind of baffled by it. You were hinting that receiving that information would somehow make your claim more important. I don’t love that there is no obvious benefit I can see, to you or any of us, resulting from you waiting to state that your role had failed.

And again, I didn’t say that claiming is the default. I’ve repeatedly pointed to the way you framed that claim and the associated night action as valuable to town, so much so that it had to wait until others had claimed. Framing things that way implies more than just “my role failed.”

I’ve said I’m townreading you and I meant that, mainly because I can’t see all this as a scum gambit. That being said, please consider the way you phrase things like this in the future. I thought you were at minimum breadcrumbing an actual role you’d used. I wouldn’t have gotten so caught up on this if you’d just been clear from the outset that you had no information and your claim wasn’t reliant on that of others coming first.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/27/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #241)

I think banana is the only lynch we can pull off unless lunatic is open for something else. The only thing giving me pause right now is the watcher claim was early enough where it held a huge risk of being disproven after she listed the night action.

Maybe so, but I’m not defaulting there just yet. If it ends up being the only choice, I’m not averse to it.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/27/2026 at 10:55 AM (post #238)

No time

VTL BANANA

Not a lot of time to work with, but even with just 3 hours, I'm not rushing to this lynch yet. As far as I'm concerned for now, though, this is where I'm leaning.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/27/2026 at 10:53 AM (post #236)

But you don't want to seek either of their claims at this point? Are you scumreading either REF or Mago for any reason?

POE but I think with scums ability to ask questions, they probably have a role they are hunting to eliminate and by keeping their roles secret it forces them to eliminate somebody who is in my scum pool.

We haven't seen any really powerful roles yet outside of bananas watched claim, and she might be scum anyway so potentially no powerful claims are out there so one of their roles could be like doctor or cop or something else and I would rather scum shoot in the dark

I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was scum, and though it's harder to believe they're both scum, I'm at least a little concerned about that. For right now at least, I'd say Luna 2.0 is my most solid townread, though that's entirely based off of how things went down at the end of the last DP. I have some reason to townread both you and Thoth, so yes, that leaves Banana, Mago and REF.

Seriously, everyone, we're about 3 hours out and none of you are posting. What are your thoughts on a lynch?

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/27/2026 at 10:42 AM (post #232)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/27/2026 at 7:15 AM (post #228)

You know, this whole time, I'm realizing I never bothered asking what role you got for NP1. Given that the role changes every NP, is there a reason you haven't mentioned it yet?

I was an ascetic np1, didn't impact much and no one asked.

Alright. That's at least confirmable to some extent, though I think if anyone had visited you, there would've been some mention of it.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/27/2026 at 10:42 AM (post #233)

I am down to lynch banana

I'm skeptical of Banana so far, don't like how defensive she's been.

We've got just over 4 hours left in the DP and the only votes I can see were posted nearly or way more than 24 hours ago. Where the fuck is everyone?

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/27/2026 at 9:50 AM (post #229)

My preference at the moment is banana, but am open for ref or mago.

But you don't want to seek either of their claims at this point? Are you scumreading either REF or Mago for any reason?

You know, this whole time, I'm realizing I never bothered asking what role you got for NP1. Given that the role changes every NP, is there a reason you haven't mentioned it yet?

Forgot to include Banana's character: Peter Neronha (Rhode Island)