So that isn’t a slam dunk case against Luna, but he’s clearly wrong that there isn’t a second JOAT and his role is still an outlier based on how the Drug Dealer is written, since it basically makes it impossible (minus very specific knowledge of his role) to impact how it works.
Asked a follow-up. The difference is that this functions like a JOAT. If Pie had used a Tracker and Mag1c had guessed “Tracker,” it would have modified the result. If he had used “Watcher” instead, it wouldn’t. So there’s still a big difference.
ILikePie5 | Kaepora Graebora
You are Kaepora Gaebora, a wise old owl who gives Link the Song of Soaring and the Lens of Truth. You win with the Town. Because you hold the ability to soar and see what is normally hidden, each night, you may visit another player and learn either who visited them or who they visited.
Actually… I’m looking at Pie’s flip and it has the same problem. No name for a role.
The lack of a role name doesn’t do Luna any favors, since that makes it far harder for the Drug Dealer to affect his role. Mag1c would have had to spell out specifics about how his role worked to affect it. Several roles in this game aren’t particularly common, but the informational roles are at least mostly straightforward in naming conventions. Mag1c could have targeted those players and named a role to affect the results they received. That is not the case for Luna.
So I got an answer from Thoth that was a little more specific. Won’t copy paste, but the gist is this:
If Mag1c had believed Luna was the Cop and told Thoth that, it wouldn’t have been enough. Scum would have had to know that it had a target and recipient that were distinct from the user. So effectively, unless Mag1c knew Luna’s role in detail, he couldn’t have manipulated it with the Drug Dealer, and since Luna hadn’t claimed, I don’t believe he did.
So, we’re down to two options:
1) One of Rex's roles fucked with Luna’s result
2) Luna’s role is doing something other than just sending a Cop result to another player
Either way, that confirms a second scum JOAT.
Can you cite an example of when you've seen two JOAT's? Maybe I just wasn't in that game, but yeah even if there was like one case study game, thats not a very compelling argument that there has to be two JOAT's, especially if your choosing to buy that over the obvious one thats already flipped in the drug deal.
The Candace Owens game had two mafia JOATs.
My Frieren game had two.
The Legend of Zelda game had two.
That's just the recent ones I've leafed through, but yes, these aren't rare. And I'll point out that, while the Drug Dealer may have caused the odd result that Kohai received, it's not a given. It would make more sense for you to acknowledge that another scum JOAT may well exist, since there are other roles that could explain that result.
Magics role a roleblocker, lookout/scout (on top of the one pie had allegedly and kohais), and and ascetizer, that plus a tailor is already a lot. At most I could probably buy them having an odd/even, or a day role on top of that, but a whole ass second JOAT seems a bit odd to me.
Again, see the above. Also, given how many investigatives there are, I don't get how this is odd. Even with all that on Mag1c, this game is looking heavily town-sided.
My point is that you have to conjure up some made up role that essentially works like a messenger to believe I am scum, instead of just accepting that magic either guessed right and used his role correctly between 2 players, me and kohai. I just don't understand how one is an easier narrative to believe than the other. Sure be open minded to it, but Mikal is literally openly choosing the first option over the latter, and now your regurgitating that, which further muddies the waters that I am some wierd ass message sending role instead of what I claimed.
I'm not conjuring up anything. I'm considering alternate ways that Kohai could have received that same message without actually confirming you. It's basic due diligence at this point. My problem with saying that "magic guessed right" is that you've already said your role isn't specified as "Cop." If he guessed Cop, would his role have affected yours? I'm still not clear, that's part of why I asked the question earlier. Again, seems entirely reasonable to interrogate the obvious means of affecting role results that's on the table and how it relates to yours. If you have a problem with that because Mikal has mentioned it too, so be it, but I can't ignore it.
If you people can't accept my confirmable role as proof, then all I have is WIFOM. The fact that rex gets to just let us out wifom ourselves here to take a laid back easy win, is working precisely in his favor too. He doesn't even have to WIFOM, he can just let you guys tear me apart when I am the only one actively trying to achieve a win for both me and town now.
Who said he's taking an easy win? I've already said that the reason you're getting interrogated is because you've participated and there's little to get into with him. That doesn't mean I've stopped considering him entirely.
A Tailor is a big deal and Thoth wasn't likely to load the player who got it down with other huge roles.
But isn't that exactly the point I am making?
I wouldn't call the kind of manipulative role we're talking about a "huge role," but sure.
You don't have to ignore it, but from a logical stand point you shouldn't place a lot of stock in them because they just don't make enough sense. I know you know that. I feel like the fact they are being entertained is probably respect for me as a player, but I don't think this same thing would be even taken nearly as seriously if it were someone else. Basically you guys are being extra paranoid about it because of you don't want scum luna to pull one over on you. To that extent I get it, but at the same time, its just ugh....
I don't get what doesn't make sense here. We have an unexplained element here: the result that Kohai received incorrectly clocked Mag1c as town. That leaves three possibilities:
1) One of Mag1c's roles fucked with your result (still looking into the plausibility of that)
2) One of Rex's roles fucked with your result
3) Your role is doing something other than just sending a Cop result to another player
So, yes, I'm being paranoid about it. I do respect you a lot as a player, but I also just have a problem with an outstanding result that doesn't make basic sense to me and I'm trying to figure it out. I'd be trying to do that no matter who you were.
I think the most infuriating aspect of this is that I even have to work with and negotiate with you guys. I was fully committed to trying to scum side, since it barely happens, then Rex just fucking throws that at me lol. It was clear to me it was rex and magic toward the end, I just needed one of anyone else plus them to vote for one of wylted or mikal and I could have hammered and given them the win lol. They took the desperate road and tried to claim third party, now I have to sit here and back track and try to win with town when I never had any interest in doing that, and I'm sitting here arguing for my life because I have to now lol
Yeah, it's frustrating. And I'm tempted to just give you the win, no matter what side you're on, and lynch Rex because I really don't want to give him the win if he is scum. He's put so little into this game. That might end up being the reason I end up voting, but it's not what I'm considering right now.
I'm not dismissing any of those points (I'm going to stop the long quote crawl for a minute), they're all among my considerations. It's entirely possible that the manipulation of your role was somehow done by Rex and his role, which I'll point out, would also mean there's another scum JOAT in the mix. Maybe I'm just overthinking it and Mag1c's role was actually responsible. There's a lot of behavioral points in your favor, and like Kohai said earlier, I'm tempted to just vote him out of sheer frustration for his lack of participation. He's made it virtually impossible to read him, so we're having to dance around his behavior and focus on yours and Mag1c's instead. It's the same boat I got into with Earth a few games back and he won there as scum because Thoth came off as too scummy for me to ignore.
Anyway, I'm pausing here. I'll wait to hear back from Thoth at this point.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 11:29 AM (post #1242)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 9:21 AM (post #1240)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 11:20 AM (post #1239)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #1236)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 11:05 AM (post #1234)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 8:52 AM (post #1232)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 10:34 AM (post #1231)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:30 AM (post #1230)
If it weren't for the bad result. Id insta vote rex but im stuck on it. Its just way to easy of a way to confirm magic and himself.
I mean there's a million ways to explain that, including one in the flip. We've discussed them all, yet to keep stamping your foot and looking for ways to create a way I could be scum. Like I would understand your argument slightly better if I was the one who claimed the cop result. BUT KOHAI DID. I have no control over how he got the result he did. Its just insane man. Every reason you can come up with to scum read me you will. There's literally no point. Just lynch me and get it over with.
I'm going to do a deeper dive before I make a call, but I'd like to get into the result more along the way.
So just walk me through this. The result Kohai received would conceivably have been affected by something like a GF or a Lawyer. We know Mag1c wasn't the former. We do know Mag1c had the Drug Dealer role, which could have affected the results received by Kohai if he'd known what role to ask about. That being said, you've stated straight up that your role doesn't even have a name, so Mag1c likely couldn't have just called you "Cop" and had that been enough to satisfy the Drug Dealer's specific condition. I guess it's possible that Thoth would give some leeway there and modify the result, and the role does say that it will also modify information the target gives, not just receives.
Why don't you ask Thoth? I don't know the answer of how the drug deal works any more than you do. Straight up ask him how it would interact with a result, instead of expecting me to have the answer for a result I myself didn't even receive. Like I said, I wasn't the one claiming the innocent on magic, kohai was. I would understand the onus being on me to explain that if I was the one who claimed an innocent on him, but it just didn't happen.
It's your role, dude. You should be able to ask Thoth what, specifically, the Drug Dealer would have to call your role as in order for it to effectively change the result that Kohai received. I can ask a generalized question about whether a role like yours could just be called the "Cop" by the Drug Dealer and have the result changed, and I already have, but you should be able to get that answer tailored to your role, specifically.
I have already asked him, he isn't on right now. But you should be asking him if your the one with the problem with the result is my point. I asked him specifically "How would magic's drug deal work with my role" If you want to ask him the same one you should phrase is like "How would magics drug deal work with roles like a hypothetical cop who sends investigations to others" or something like that.
Like I said, dude, I did ask him. It's a question with multiple hypotheticals from my end. It's a question with one from yours.
I am just saying to weigh the favor of me being responsible for the false result you have to believe that there is 2 JOATs (Something rarely seen in games), that I am exactly a 1x messenger, because if I was more than 1x and scum, makes literally no sense for me not to send someone a result. And if you are buying that you have to buy why as scum I would use a 1x messenger in a JOAT role over any thing else when we KNOW town is OP as fuck. None of it makes sense, and to disregard the drug deal, (which is arguably the most powerful role in the JOAT list), is to play from the definitely weaker side of the fence. I've also floated other theories, like my results possibly being insane because I am third party. So idk man, you can understand my fatalism that mikal is this convinced I am scum and doesn't seem to be considering Rex in the slightest, and now you are harping on the same points as him.
I have a hard time believing that Thoth gave one scum member a role that he'd publicly reveal through an Informed Town player, so yes, I believe there very well could be two JOATs (it's not that uncommon, particularly with this many investigatives) to give scum more utility beyond the Tailor while drawing attention to it. That doesn't mean you'd have to necessarily be a 1X Messenger, but it does mean you'd have to have a role akin to it, and if you're a JOAT, then yes, I believe it would be 1X. A lot of the rest of this is WIFOM. If I was scum, I would at least have strongly considered the Tailor, but its reveal kind of gives away any game scum could have wanted to play with it. If you're in this boat, you probably didn't have many other options anyway. A Tailor is a big deal and Thoth wasn't likely to load the player who got it down with other huge roles.
And yes, I am considering the possibility that your role is just Insane Cop.
I understand if it's frustrating, but I'm going to kick the tires on theories before I vote anywhere. You can't expect me to just ignore these concerns or refocus elsewhere because, like it or not, you've posted way more than Rex. We have a lot more to consider with you.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 11:24 AM (post #1241)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 9:16 AM (post #1237)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 11:06 AM (post #1235)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 9:05 AM (post #1233)
So Mag1c was pretty clearly falling on his own sword at the end there. He had to know that claiming the JK and saying he targeted the player who both claimed Link and claimed a successful night action would be a huge risk. Not saying that he knew from the moment he claimed that he was going to get lynched, but he clearly knew that the writing was on the wall if we bought into it wylted's claim at all.
Looking through his last few pages, I'm mainly wondering if his caps locked "LETS MAKE A DEAL" posts were more performative or real. Was that just outright desperation play knowing that he'd be fucked given how many people were pairing Luna and him, or was this some last minute distancing?
100% last minute distancing dude. Dude knew he was caught and about to be lynched. Since when do we ever trust someone whose known scum in that scenario?
It's not about whether I "trust" him, it's about what I think he was trying to do here. If he really believed this was the end, then I don't have to trust anything, I can just note that he was trying to get the TP on the same page to secure a vote that he probably wouldn't get anyway. A frustrated Mag1c might do just that.
Magic is calculated as fuck, I am not buying that he was frustrated. I saw him work wonders in Ted Lasso. Town magic gets frustrated, as you saw with the rage quit a few games ago. Anything magic is doing in the final throws of death is planned to make me look bad lol.
You think if I was scum with him I would sign off on any of that? Also you have seen me resign for way less, you think if I was magics scum partner I wouldn't have resigned after mikal/wylted got mod confirmation?
Given the circumstances, I'm not quite as sure that Mag1c was being calculated here. The comparison to a game where he carried scum to a win feels a bit off since, here, he wasn't exactly in a position to do anything other than direct attention. Maybe that's what he was doing. Maybe he was just mad that he was the first scum eliminated. Honestly, haven't seen many games where he goes down early as scum, so it's hard to say.
And no, I don't think you'd sign off on that. It's less a matter of what you'd approve and more a matter of what he'd do regardless of what anyone said. Would you resign in that circumstance? Maybe. Rex's lack of activity doesn't help his case and if I was in your shoes, I would've at least tried to swing a vote against him like you're doing. Not saying that makes you scum, just saying I don't buy into the whole "I'd have given up by now" position with so many of us questioning the Unjester coming into this DP.
Still, it's a nice experiment and I think something like this could work with some tweaking.
Yeah, things were pretty messy with this one. Didn't help that I'm almost always scum and people regularly feel the need to check me, which would either have been really good for me or really bad.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 11:20 AM (post #1239)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #1236)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 11:05 AM (post #1234)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 8:52 AM (post #1232)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 10:34 AM (post #1231)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:30 AM (post #1230)
If it weren't for the bad result. Id insta vote rex but im stuck on it. Its just way to easy of a way to confirm magic and himself.
I mean there's a million ways to explain that, including one in the flip. We've discussed them all, yet to keep stamping your foot and looking for ways to create a way I could be scum. Like I would understand your argument slightly better if I was the one who claimed the cop result. BUT KOHAI DID. I have no control over how he got the result he did. Its just insane man. Every reason you can come up with to scum read me you will. There's literally no point. Just lynch me and get it over with.
I'm going to do a deeper dive before I make a call, but I'd like to get into the result more along the way.
So just walk me through this. The result Kohai received would conceivably have been affected by something like a GF or a Lawyer. We know Mag1c wasn't the former. We do know Mag1c had the Drug Dealer role, which could have affected the results received by Kohai if he'd known what role to ask about. That being said, you've stated straight up that your role doesn't even have a name, so Mag1c likely couldn't have just called you "Cop" and had that been enough to satisfy the Drug Dealer's specific condition. I guess it's possible that Thoth would give some leeway there and modify the result, and the role does say that it will also modify information the target gives, not just receives.
Why don't you ask Thoth? I don't know the answer of how the drug deal works any more than you do. Straight up ask him how it would interact with a result, instead of expecting me to have the answer for a result I myself didn't even receive. Like I said, I wasn't the one claiming the innocent on magic, kohai was. I would understand the onus being on me to explain that if I was the one who claimed an innocent on him, but it just didn't happen.
It's your role, dude. You should be able to ask Thoth what, specifically, the Drug Dealer would have to call your role as in order for it to effectively change the result that Kohai received. I can ask a generalized question about whether a role like yours could just be called the "Cop" by the Drug Dealer and have the result changed, and I already have, but you should be able to get that answer tailored to your role, specifically.
I have already asked him, he isn't on right now. But you should be asking him if your the one with the problem with the result is my point. I asked him specifically "How would magic's drug deal work with my role" If you want to ask him the same one you should phrase is like "How would magics drug deal work with roles like a hypothetical cop who sends investigations to others" or something like that.
Like I said, dude, I did ask him. It's a question with multiple hypotheticals from my end. It's a question with one from yours.
I'll wait to hear back from Thoth at least before I give my thoughts on who I'm favoring here. I don't want to give Rex credit for much since, let's face it, he's been largely absent and there's not a lot to glean from his posts aside from his often calling for Banana to shoot him. That's the only thing that's making me second guess my read on his Unjester.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 11:06 AM (post #1235)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 9:05 AM (post #1233)
So Mag1c was pretty clearly falling on his own sword at the end there. He had to know that claiming the JK and saying he targeted the player who both claimed Link and claimed a successful night action would be a huge risk. Not saying that he knew from the moment he claimed that he was going to get lynched, but he clearly knew that the writing was on the wall if we bought into it wylted's claim at all.
Looking through his last few pages, I'm mainly wondering if his caps locked "LETS MAKE A DEAL" posts were more performative or real. Was that just outright desperation play knowing that he'd be fucked given how many people were pairing Luna and him, or was this some last minute distancing?
100% last minute distancing dude. Dude knew he was caught and about to be lynched. Since when do we ever trust someone whose known scum in that scenario?
It's not about whether I "trust" him, it's about what I think he was trying to do here. If he really believed this was the end, then I don't have to trust anything, I can just note that he was trying to get the TP on the same page to secure a vote that he probably wouldn't get anyway. A frustrated Mag1c might do just that.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 11:05 AM (post #1234)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 8:52 AM (post #1232)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 10:34 AM (post #1231)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:30 AM (post #1230)
If it weren't for the bad result. Id insta vote rex but im stuck on it. Its just way to easy of a way to confirm magic and himself.
I mean there's a million ways to explain that, including one in the flip. We've discussed them all, yet to keep stamping your foot and looking for ways to create a way I could be scum. Like I would understand your argument slightly better if I was the one who claimed the cop result. BUT KOHAI DID. I have no control over how he got the result he did. Its just insane man. Every reason you can come up with to scum read me you will. There's literally no point. Just lynch me and get it over with.
I'm going to do a deeper dive before I make a call, but I'd like to get into the result more along the way.
So just walk me through this. The result Kohai received would conceivably have been affected by something like a GF or a Lawyer. We know Mag1c wasn't the former. We do know Mag1c had the Drug Dealer role, which could have affected the results received by Kohai if he'd known what role to ask about. That being said, you've stated straight up that your role doesn't even have a name, so Mag1c likely couldn't have just called you "Cop" and had that been enough to satisfy the Drug Dealer's specific condition. I guess it's possible that Thoth would give some leeway there and modify the result, and the role does say that it will also modify information the target gives, not just receives.
Why don't you ask Thoth? I don't know the answer of how the drug deal works any more than you do. Straight up ask him how it would interact with a result, instead of expecting me to have the answer for a result I myself didn't even receive. Like I said, I wasn't the one claiming the innocent on magic, kohai was. I would understand the onus being on me to explain that if I was the one who claimed an innocent on him, but it just didn't happen.
It's your role, dude. You should be able to ask Thoth what, specifically, the Drug Dealer would have to call your role as in order for it to effectively change the result that Kohai received. I can ask a generalized question about whether a role like yours could just be called the "Cop" by the Drug Dealer and have the result changed, and I already have, but you should be able to get that answer tailored to your role, specifically.
So Mag1c was pretty clearly falling on his own sword at the end there. He had to know that claiming the JK and saying he targeted the player who both claimed Link and claimed a successful night action would be a huge risk. Not saying that he knew from the moment he claimed that he was going to get lynched, but he clearly knew that the writing was on the wall if we bought into it wylted's claim at all.
Looking through his last few pages, I'm mainly wondering if his caps locked "LETS MAKE A DEAL" posts were more performative or real. Was that just outright desperation play knowing that he'd be fucked given how many people were pairing Luna and him, or was this some last minute distancing?
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 10:34 AM (post #1231)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:30 AM (post #1230)
If it weren't for the bad result. Id insta vote rex but im stuck on it. Its just way to easy of a way to confirm magic and himself.
I mean there's a million ways to explain that, including one in the flip. We've discussed them all, yet to keep stamping your foot and looking for ways to create a way I could be scum. Like I would understand your argument slightly better if I was the one who claimed the cop result. BUT KOHAI DID. I have no control over how he got the result he did. Its just insane man. Every reason you can come up with to scum read me you will. There's literally no point. Just lynch me and get it over with.
I'm going to do a deeper dive before I make a call, but I'd like to get into the result more along the way.
So just walk me through this. The result Kohai received would conceivably have been affected by something like a GF or a Lawyer. We know Mag1c wasn't the former. We do know Mag1c had the Drug Dealer role, which could have affected the results received by Kohai if he'd known what role to ask about. That being said, you've stated straight up that your role doesn't even have a name, so Mag1c likely couldn't have just called you "Cop" and had that been enough to satisfy the Drug Dealer's specific condition. I guess it's possible that Thoth would give some leeway there and modify the result, and the role does say that it will also modify information the target gives, not just receives.
I'm going to leave it here for the night and revisit this in the morning. Hopefully by then, Rex will at least have chimed in.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 11:07 PM (post #1205)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 9:03 PM (post #1198)
Really, the balance being dramatically off on purpose is the main concern I have, but we've been leaving out what is technically another investigative role: Banana's. She effectively copped be innocent at the cost of her own elimination. That's two roles that give results relating to alignment, and two giving results that relate to movement. Adding a third onto alignment, particularly one that also seemingly confirms the user, seems like dramatic overkill.
Like Mikal, I'm going to sleep on it.
Technically informed is an investigative too.
Even if you think I am lying that’s still 4 investigative roles, 3 if you think it’s a stretch to count informed as investigative. 3 is still a lot of investigative roles. No matter how you spin it, it’s confirmed there is an overwhelming amount of investigative roles in this game.
Can't say I agree that the Informed is investigative, but I guess it is at least somewhat akin to a Role Cop. Can't say I agree it's on the same scale as including another Cop who effectively self-confirms to another target.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 11:06 PM (post #1204)
Hold up. There’s one big question mark. Why would scum use a tailor message to confirm one as town instead of giving me a fake red check? Mafia would have won much faster if they’d have given me a red check
I disagree. If scum had given you a fake red check and the target of that red check had then confirmed themselves or otherwise been confirmed by outside investigation, that would have risked giving the game away. Given that it was do or die, we wouldn't have all rushed to lynch someone you got a red check on, anyway.
Should say "copped me innocent," damn I'm tired.
Really, the balance being dramatically off on purpose is the main concern I have, but we've been leaving out what is technically another investigative role: Banana's. She effectively copped be innocent at the cost of her own elimination. That's two roles that give results relating to alignment, and two giving results that relate to movement. Adding a third onto alignment, particularly one that also seemingly confirms the user, seems like dramatic overkill.
Like Mikal, I'm going to sleep on it.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 10:56 PM (post #1187)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 8:55 PM (post #1185)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 10:53 PM (post #1183)
Wait it has to be luna
Caroler
Watcher
Tracker
All confirmed
And a 1x cop lol
Didn't think about that
Yup. I think you’re right. If the balance somehow includes both a Caroler and a Cop, plus an effective Tracker/Watcher and a Watcher… that’s kind of absurd.
Keep in mind that the cop is third party lol
Still gives results that affect POE. I’d pretty much have to believe that your role is flavored to make sense of it.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 10:54 PM (post #1184)
You are the second person to mention the distancing thing so I will respond to this. If that was distancing it was pretty one sided. Magic was pressuring me over essentially nothing and I was defending myself against baseless bullshit. I didn’t even really suspect him until afterwards when he randomly dropped the allegations when I called him a lil bitch. That was what made me wanna investigate him in the first place.
Youve played scum with me enough to know that I distance better than that, and I would actually dishing some FOS back in return. See my distance with Wylted in the Pitt for an example of how I distance.
Maybe. I’ll admit that was a minor point, it’s not anything solid against you.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 10:53 PM (post #1183)
Wait it has to be luna
Caroler
Watcher
Tracker
All confirmed
And a 1x cop lol
Didn't think about that
Yup. I think you’re right. If the balance somehow includes both a Caroler and a Cop, plus an effective Tracker/Watcher and a Watcher… that’s kind of absurd.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 10:47 PM (post #1180)
Pies role is not tailored de facto.
Either rex messed with his result.
Or he sent a message to david
So pie is actually a tracker
Which to be fair. A watcher tracker and cop. Make even less sense.
We know that the result David received was either tampered with or was not real to begin with, so yes, you're right that Pie couldn't have been Tailored. That is an awful lot of investigatives.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 10:34 PM (post #1170)
In the same boat. The fake claim for tael just makes way more sense. They had a tailor kill and 2 fake claims and they come up with that. Like my head is saying yeet rex cus its retarted but my gut is saying I can't explain that bad result and it would set them up to win confirming magic. The dreamer reslts flipped it but them confirming each other won the game
That result is bothering me, too. I guess it’s not out of the realm of possibility for either Rex or Luna to have sent a manipulated result to Kohai, but Luna was clearly calling out that he’d get a result and used that to support his claim. Is it more likely that he somehow got a fake result to Kohai (which would suggest he didn’t Tailor NP1), or that Rex fucked with his result somehow by targeting Luna despite him not receiving the result?
The early back-and-forth RVS between Mag1c and Luna also bothers me, felt like it could have been effective distancing.
