So I don't want to bring in outside information, but Thoth wanted a quick game here and he wanted one that was town-sided, using the time limit as a way to give scum another potential wincon to awkwardly balance it. Not saying that makes the possibility of a Vig gifter and whatever Banana is more likely, but yeah, we should expect the game to be unbalanced. I think that's a given.
Keeping the last 3 brief:
Luna - Null/slight town. Can't dismiss him entirely, but like with Mag1c, I think his responses don't match what I'd expect to see from early pressure if Luna was scum. Maybe I'm just not giving him enough credit, and this is still a weak behavioral read.
Mag1c - Slight town. The last minute reads are swinging me towards trusting him a little more, I think they all read as pretty genuine. Hasn't finished yet (here I am doing the same), but if this was an attempt to get a specific lynch, he's not using it like I'd expect to see if he's scum.
Wylted - Null/slight town. A bit easily side-tracked, though he's been focused here at the end of the DP. I can at least understand where he's coming from on his votes and I don't think he puts it out to others to help make the choice for him if he's scum. That's based on what I remember from his previous times playing as scum, though I could be misremembering, it's late and I'm tired.
So yeah, Pie and Rex seem like reasonable choices, but if there's really a solid CC going here, then I'd at least have to consider Shining.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/18/2026 at 11:17 PM (post #335)
we have 1 hour 45 min
Whiteflame's ISO didn't do much, I'm not considering Lunatic, Mikal, Banana, or Kohai
Shining's claim being a gifter that can gift a vigilante sounds kinda like Happy Mask Salesman, the top candidate for 3P. Do we want to 3P hunt here? We don't have many lynches and I doubt Banana will get to use her role with how she just revealed it like that. The 3P never outed, so they're definitely scumsiding.
Gun to head I guess Shining but I don't like it and I havent ISO'd you or Pie yet
I'm hesitant to just shoot for the TP. Just because they didn't out themselves doesn't mean they're scumsiding, there may be mechanics we just don't get yet that require them to stay silent for whatever reason. That being said, yeah, I had this same thought about Shining.
Alright, blitzing some reads. Yes, I've left Mag1c, Wylted and Luna off of here, I'm still working, but since Wylted says he's leaving soon, I figured I'd at least post this much.
Banana - Lean town. It's not so much that she made a mistake with her role that clears her, but rather that she claimed a day role at all. I don't think Thoth would have put the specific timeframe of action at 48 hours if there wasn't one in the game, and so far, no one else has claimed one. Maybe that's just naive - it could always be the case that someone else has a day role and is just saving it - but for now, I don't have any substantive reason to doubt her.
Shining - Null/slight town. I don't like the character claim, particularly for the fact that she's one of five Great Fairies in the game, but I'm balancing that with the reality that scum were given two fake claims and I have a hard time believing that Thoth just thought to randomly insert one of these as that claim. It just feels off. He's shown some willingness to claim if we "twist [his] arm," which I guess is something. He at least is hinting at having something meaningful to hide. Can't say that moves the needle much, though, and I'm torn on what to do about his character claim. Modifying this based on his claim, which at least makes me start to lean town a bit on him. I can see Thoth giving town a lot of tools to kill scum while potentially damaging itself, and it does fit his character pretty closely.
Mikal - Slight town. I can see a world in which Mikal saw that he had a solid fake claim in Tatl, realized she would pair well with Informative, and try to use that to make us concerned about flips. The decision to come out the gate with it helps his case a little, though if he is scum, he could've just asked about the existence of the same role or similar ones. I can't dismiss the possibility, but for now at least, I find it more likely than not that he's telling the truth.
Kohai - Slight town. This is mainly behavioral, a combination of how Magoroth came off in his frustration and how Kohai has behaved since he's arrived. I don't think he's this adamant or active as scum given this situation, and I think if he was, then there would be more of an indication of scumminess from him based on past behavior.
Rex - Null. So null it hurts. Too little here, not nearly enough insight into his thinking. Pointing out that Banana vs. Mago felt like TvT is literally the only opinion he's given beyond a set of loose reads, and even that comes with a grain of salt.
Pie - Null. Can't say I've seen anything that really sticks out in either direction from him. He's taking into account elements of the game, but there's little in the way of reads and no real scum hunting. He's more passive than normal, which raises a small red flag, though that might just be because he's wary of claims due to the fake claims available and the questions.
Originally Posted by wylted on 8/18/2026 at 11:16 PM (post #333)
I am open for any good reasoning that I can buy. My vote is for sale to anybody with better reasoning than my mere gut read assuming I can buy the reasoning
I'll post my thinking on each of them right after this, but they're both just null to me atm for different reasons.
Originally Posted by Shining on 8/18/2026 at 10:55 PM (post #290)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 10:50 PM (post #286)
Originally Posted by Shining on 8/18/2026 at 10:50 PM (post #284)
VTL: RexFavilla
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 10:47 PM (post #281)
VTL: Shining
If I can’t do rex I’d rather go here. Time to consolidate and not have 4 wagons with only 1 vote
The hell are you doing?
Hey nice of you to finally show up. It only took my vote to get you to respond
Full claim now
Fine, you cock. One night I can give someone a 1x dayvig they can use.
Hmmm... alright, that's interesting given what Banana seems to be suggesting she is. It's also a confirmable role, so I'd really have preferred that you refuse to claim and just say that you're confirmable. That does fit somewhat with this particular Great Fairy given that she gives out a powerful sword.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 10:49 PM (post #283)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/18/2026 at 10:48 PM (post #282)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 10:46 PM (post #280)
Where are you retards at???
Dude, I said I was working on some thoughts. Gimme a bit.
Well hurry up. We don’t have all night.
I'm not making a slapdash decision, so expect me to take some time. I've got enough to get out a read list and make a call.
I’ll get up some thoughts and a vote soon, and yeah, that short timeframe isn’t the best, but here we are.
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/18/2026 at 8:35 PM (post #246)
nvm apparently i took too long to submit an action needed to be in 48 hours o well
I did mention earlier that the OP said day actions had to be submitted within that window. Was already townreading you, so bit of a shame if you don’t get a chance to use whatever it is.
Just leaving work. I'll simplify things: I have a confirmable role. It's not outright affiliation confirmation, but I've never seen a game where this role was given to scum.
I'll be active after work today, but I'm pretty slammed through the afternoon, so just bear that in mind. Rex does seem to be sussing me a bit (with a grain of salt for some reason), and Mikal seems to have me in POE too, so if there's a push for me to claim by then, I'll do it.
If you need more attention on you, consider my vote on you as well. I'd rather not lynch you just for not being here, but the game's too short to risk having anyone onboard who isn't going to be active.
We have 3 days to work with, so as Kohai said, there is room for one mislynch assuming no other means of eliminating scum exist. I'm still hesitant to give away too much information before NP1, though. In part, that comes down to an assumption about how much information we'll get from town roles and utilizing that next DP. In part, that's to give anyone with day actions (the OP suggests there's at least one) an opportunity to make a decision about whether or not they use it. Please note that if you do have a day phase role, you only have the first 48 hours during which you can submit what you'd like to do. That time is running out for this DP.
Originally Posted by Shining on 8/17/2026 at 8:49 PM (post #137)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/17/2026 at 5:46 PM (post #105)
Im down to lock shining into something as well. Hes got enough votes so letting it sit but is mag normally this spazzy. Like the gameplay is kinda braindead. Not sure if hes even reading what people are typing lol
Can I just say its weird to sus me for having 3 votes because when I went to sleep I had just one on me. Not sure what you want from me. I'll character claim as per usual. I am the Great Fairy of Kindness.
Hmmm... interesting. There are 5 Great Fairies in the game, have to wonder how many of them are here. Not sussing it necessarily, especially since Tatl is apparenlty here and I suspect not Tael.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/17/2026 at 6:22 PM (post #115)
We're almost a 1/3 of the way through the day phase and we've got very little to work with.
Since we have only 3 full game days to lynch both scum I wonder if it's best to do a mass character claim.
This feels like a pretty premature thought. I get that there's not a lot to go off of so far, but I don't think everyone needs to character claim at this point to make headway. Remember: scum have two fake character claims. They can also ask about four separate roles. Speaking from experience, giving scum more information on available characters only helps them know which roles they can ask about.
Good to have you in the game, though I'm disappointed that Mago decided to step out. Not your fault, obviously, and he might just need to take a beat.
I don't think this is a useful way to spend our time, either. I've got enough to do that I'll be busy for the next couple of hours, but I'll aim to get some more discussion going after I get back.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/17/2026 at 2:58 PM (post #81)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 17/08/2026 at 20:09 (post #79)
It’s one thing to be skeptical; if someone acts scummy and they flip town, yeah maybe there is room for doubt, even if they flip town and act towny you can allow some doubt, but saying you can’t trust flips is just anti-town as fuck
So... you just don't like that she was being absolutist with the statement? How she said it doesn't really bother me.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/17/2026 at 12:46 PM (post #75)
Like I said this is the type of statement that 1) sows confusion and 2) scum would say to keep themselves involved and appear to be interested in the game/solving the game. Please vote her.
I legitimately do not understand how this is meant to sow confusion. All of us have played with Tailors before and everyone else gets what she was trying to say. I'll admit that it's not the kind of thing you have to actually post for people to get it, but I can't say I see it as performative.
Because if we can’t trust flips then that removes a huge amount of information from the game
Except the fact that she said it doesn't suddenly mean we'll discount all flips. You're really harping on this and I don't see the harm that Banana has caused by mentioning her distrust.
It’s one thing to be skeptical; if someone acts scummy and they flip town, yeah maybe there is room for doubt, even if they flip town and act towny you can allow some doubt, but saying you can’t trust flips is just anti-town as fuck
So... you just don't like that she was being absolutist with the statement? How she said it doesn't really bother me.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/17/2026 at 12:46 PM (post #75)
Like I said this is the type of statement that 1) sows confusion and 2) scum would say to keep themselves involved and appear to be interested in the game/solving the game. Please vote her.
I legitimately do not understand how this is meant to sow confusion. All of us have played with Tailors before and everyone else gets what she was trying to say. I'll admit that it's not the kind of thing you have to actually post for people to get it, but I can't say I see it as performative.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/17/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #65)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 17/08/2026 at 15:11 (post #62)
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/16/2026 at 5:30 PM (post #43)
It also feels like “we can’t trust flips” is the type of thing scum would say to fit in after someone revealed Tailor is possible
I don’t understand this. So speaking to the obvious is scummy? I’m pretty sure it’s something we’re all thinking.
No, its not true, we can mostly trust flips, there’s literally like one flip maybe that we can’t trust, saying otherwise is anti-town as hell
If the information is correct that there is a Tailor, then there is precisely one flip we cannot trust. Considering it's early in the game and we necessarily have limited claim information, we should be interrogating flips closely, so while objectively you're correct that most flips will be accurate, I don't agree that that means we can just trust the flips we see nor that calling out the uncertainty "is anti-town as hell". It's a normal reaction to the existence of a Tailor in the game. It's fine if you have a different reaction, but speaking as someone who largely shares Banana's perspective, I don't agree with your view.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/16/2026 at 9:51 PM (post #52)
Magoroth's posts mega sus let's get his claim
VTL: Magoroth
I’m hesitant to go with you on this. It’s a weird basis for sussing Banana, but I think it’s NAI based on how I’ve seen Magoroth behave before. Can’t tell what his aim is, but his argument is weak.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/16/2026 at 5:31 PM (post #44)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 16/08/2026 at 17:42 (post #23)
At least as a tailor.
Tael could be scum. Maybe since im tied to him. It could be bad info but doubt it
Wdym you’re tied to him?
They're both fairies in the game that develop a friendly relationship with Skull Kid before he gets taken over by Majora. One sticks with him (Tael), the other goes to Link (Tatl).
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/16/2026 at 5:34 PM (post #45)
I too think third party should reveal but they probably won’t, it depends on their win condition, they could be pretty much anything that doesn’t have to see Town lose in order to win
Except that we know based on the OP that the TP can win with town or scum. Throwing their lot in with town now lends them a lot of credence. Throwing it in later would probably be a different story.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/16/2026 at 5:30 PM (post #43)
It also feels like “we can’t trust flips” is the type of thing scum would say to fit in after someone revealed Tailor is possible
I don’t understand this. So speaking to the obvious is scummy? I’m pretty sure it’s something we’re all thinking.
Originally Posted by wylted on 8/16/2026 at 4:00 PM (post #36)
Whoever the TP is, please reveal yourself and take the win with Town. Make ours and your life easier
I have tried this with town as TP and they are just too stupid to ever cooperate even at the cost of themselves.
I'm not talkining about situations where I might be scum claiming it. I am talking about situations where they were reasonably certain I was TP and still lost an ally by being stupid
I’ve literally used a Day Vig as proof I was TP, shot a target that one of the most townread player wanted me to, and got lynched regardless because FML. I’d really like to change that dynamic at some point, but it requires a degree of trust that I’m not sure enough people can muster.
