whiteflame

RexFavilla wrote:

White targeted luna and can move all actions to himself. So basically I moved wf to himself.

WF did not visit Luna or himself. He visited Shining.

That is... huh. Only way that happens is if I got redirected or deflected.

Lunatic wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Yeah I’m probably cooked lol, being on results after lynching ago is not a great look. And my claim is not going to help my either. I am krypton, the compulsive hider. I hid behind Rex last night.

Could you elaborate on the specifics of how your Hider works? You mentioned later that you don't die hiding behind scum. How does it affect anyone who targets you during the NP?

Pie was being wierd about answering that, told me I needed to be very specific. I asked him about the following scum roles, roleblock, silencer, scout, lookout, lawyer, framer, redirector could all target me. I assume the fact that he made be be so specific means there is potentially a role out there that couldn’t target me, but he won’t tell me what role that would be unless I ask it specifically.

That or he is just being extra careful and making me jump through hoops to be safe he doesn’t mod slip something.

Not often I've seen a Hider who can be targeted by so many roles, just not night kills apparently. If there's something else that can't target you, we probably won't learn what it is.

Yeah I’m probably cooked lol, being on results after lynching ago is not a great look. And my claim is not going to help my either. I am krypton, the compulsive hider. I hid behind Rex last night.

Could you elaborate on the specifics of how your Hider works? You mentioned later that you don't die hiding behind scum. How does it affect anyone who targets you during the NP?

For now, suffice it to say I made a choice during the NP that seems to have had some pretty complex consequences. I'll be more forthcoming about all this once I've got it sorted.

Lunatic wrote:

If I am picking up what is being put down correctly Mikal can vouch for you, can you vouch for him like he claims? If so I’d potentially be willing to cross him off the list for the dreamer results here and focus on bullish. But I would need you to be fairly confident.

So I'm still trying to work out some of the details, honestly. A lot happened I'm still trying to sort it out, waiting for some answers from Pie on that front. Can't say I solidly townread him, but I have more reason to townread him than not.

I don’t think one is necessarily scum BUT if there is scum there, I just cannot see both of them being scum.

I'm with you.

Kohai wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

Anyway that’s all. I’d appreciate it if someone actually replied to my posts, so I’d know if someone is actually reading this. I won’t care in the end though, I’ve done my job.

I'm reading them, don't fret. Not sure if I'll survive the night, but they're useful takes.

Why the hell are you not sure you’ll survive the night over a conf town

Dude, you know I won't answer that, don't know why you'd bother asking.

Magoroth wrote:

Anyway that’s all. I’d appreciate it if someone actually replied to my posts, so I’d know if someone is actually reading this. I won’t care in the end though, I’ve done my job.

I'm reading them, don't fret. Not sure if I'll survive the night, but they're useful takes.

And yeah, I'd say looking at Rex in particular next DP is appropriate.

Magoroth wrote:

If this is the case then Mag1c is likely Town. Not a super strong read because I think it’s possible to fake what he said w.r.t “the scum team isn’t here”.

Also and you can take this to be 99% true, there is at most 1 scum in Bullish and Mag1c. No way they’re both scum. Please take this advice because I have reasons for believing this but I don’t have time to go into detail

I appreciate the last minute thoughts. I agree, I don't think it's possible they're scum together, though I'm hesitant to say one of them is absolutely scum.

I'll leave off here as well. We'll work with what we've got next DP.

Kohai wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Kohai wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Kohai wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

So wait, I saw something about a CC on Helz. Did Helz claim?

They claimed

I role block everyone that targets a player neutralizing everything.

Hmmm... will have to interrogate that more later.

Yeah. Helz / Mago by virtue of those two claims probably aren’t both town

Can't say I understand why they CC each other.

I don’t think they’re both wolves but I think there’s at least 1 scum between them

I'm not so sure, but I'm good putting Helz under the microscope next DP.

Magoroth wrote:

Retards. Enjoy my flip. At least I’m out of this game.

Yes, I really am Calcium and Strengthener. If you see anything else it was edited.

Lunatic refusing to even talk to me at the end when. he admitted he expected me to freak out is so ridiculously scummy I dunno if it actually comes from scum.

And yes, I really am Town. No reason to hide it at this point because Pie will post my alignment immediately. Fuck all of you.

I suspect if neither Lunatic nor Banana are scum then scum are either sheep or literally totally asleep.

It is what it is, mislynching DP1 is kind of par for the course.

Kohai wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Kohai wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

So wait, I saw something about a CC on Helz. Did Helz claim?

They claimed

I role block everyone that targets a player neutralizing everything.

Hmmm... will have to interrogate that more later.

Yeah. Helz / Mago by virtue of those two claims probably aren’t both town

Can't say I understand why they CC each other.

Lunatic wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

So wait, I saw something about a CC on Helz. Did Helz claim?

Helz claimed rolestopper or something. He was vague. Idk what kohai was smoking about the CC. Either way it shows one or the other is likely scum, and we aren't lynching helz. putting a counter to a town role on the same team makes 0 sense. Caught kohai with this logic in a recent game remember?

I wouldn't say that logic is wrong, especially since I've done it in my own game designs, but I get that it's not the greatest.

Kohai wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

So wait, I saw something about a CC on Helz. Did Helz claim?

They claimed

I role block everyone that targets a player neutralizing everything.

Hmmm... will have to interrogate that more later.

VTL: Magoroth

I'd prefer a lynch over NL at this point, and from what I can glean from his posts, this isn't the greatest. I can kind of see how Calcium works for Strengthener, but it's pretty scummy on its face. The defense being that he wouldn't claim it as scum because it's scummy is WIFOM and, let's face it, not the first time I've seen scum (or been on a scum team with someone) who claimed the role regardless. He has been pretty behaviorally different this game as well, which at least makes him stand out.

So wait, I saw something about a CC on Helz. Did Helz claim?

Give me a minute to read back through his posts.

Calciun - strengthener

Yeah... that's not great.

Alright, I clearly lost track of time on this DP. So do we have a claim from Magoroth or not?

Now I really am heading off.

Kohai wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Well, I intended to get through this tonight, but now it's way too late and I can't focus. Based on what I've gleaned from skimming, I get that Mag1c has a bone to pick with my posts, though he hasn't VTL'd me so even his attention is mainly elsewhere for the lynch. If you guys want a claim, I can give it, but it'll have to be tomorrow. Signing off.

Can you at least character claim?

Considering it would strongly indicate what my role is as well, I’d very much prefer not to. If you guys want to push me into it, I’ll claim in the morning, but expect it to basically be a full claim if that’s what you’re seeking.

Well, I intended to get through this tonight, but now it's way too late and I can't focus. Based on what I've gleaned from skimming, I get that Mag1c has a bone to pick with my posts, though he hasn't VTL'd me so even his attention is mainly elsewhere for the lynch. If you guys want a claim, I can give it, but it'll have to be tomorrow. Signing off.

I haven’t had a chance to catch up, just wanted to address the tags. I’ll be back.

i figured out what bothered me about whiteflame. it's this post. @whiteflame are you able to find an example of you doing this as town?

If don't see the incentive for town whiteflame to out that he's not magnesium. I'm aware it's a follow-up from the sign-ups thread for funsies, but I still think town whiteflame has more of an incentive to not give mafia even the slightest bit of hints.

Literally just saying I’m not the thing I said I wanted to be in sign ups is off? It’s exactly one element, I don’t get how this is problematic with a table full of them left.

this post: I can see the town incentive and the scum incentive. both are kinda obvious

Fair, I’d probably post something like what you referenced as either alignment.

Thoth wrote:

What did you mean when you said in #34 that oganesson was a weird part of the table to pull a fake-claim from?

Fairly unknown element, weird pull if you’re asking questions about what elements are in the game apart from wondering if a very recent element is in the game for some reason.

RexFavilla wrote:

I will have a lot more time to reread tomorrow but here is my vibes chart:

Good vibes:

Shining

Mikal

Mag1c

Kohai (not really vibes he's just confirmed)

Mago

No Vibes:

Whiteflame

Bullish

Banana

Casey

Thoth

Bad Vibes:

Luna

Helz

Honestly I'm wavering on Helz, something about him feels sincere-y. But Luna has felt like all day he is building a case to lynch me and not objectively analyzing anything I do because he thinks he can push it through based on my schizo behavior. And honestly the whole point of me acting schizo was to see if someone would act like this because it's a scummy way to respond. Mikal did what I expected town to do which is point out that I'm normally a very careful, sanitized, cautious scum player, which is true. I'm bad at faking spontaneity as scum.

Not great that your biggest scum picks also both happen to have VTL'd you. Yes, they have been building a case against you, I'm just not clear why they're sussing you makes them scum. If there's something in their arguments that doesn't make sense, it's more useful to point that out directly than to just say Luna's "not objectively analyzing anything I do".

I'm fine at this point putting some pressure on Bullish. Dude's been largely absent and I think a lot of my scumread on him comes down to being confounded by the little posting he's done so far. Don't really get why Magoroth is pushing him atm, but I'll join the wagon and see where it takes us.

VTL: Bullish

R4, final two reads. Just to make things easier so that people can locate the rest: #363 #374 #384

Rex - Slight scum/null. Didn't get a lot of his early reads and efforts to get him to explain his perspective didn't yield much. Suggesting a shabbos goy hydra with Kohai made me giggle. I can't say I have as strong of a feeling on Rex as I did when I posted my reads earlier. Maybe he was just trying to press Helz's buttons. The early sus on Kohai wasn't exactly unique to him, nor was his frustration with Kohai's decision to use his role when he did, nor was pushing back on the pursuit of Magoroth. There's enough here that I can see a case against him when taken together, they all just seem pretty weak individually.

Helz - Slight town/null. Mainly a whole lot of NAI up front, including saying how they plan to challenge themselves and pushing Mag1c to expand on his read. I think the sus on Rex is valid, especially from their perspective. I think the individual reads look detailed and are pretty effective breakdowns, and that includes mine. I'll be more interested to see some of the others when they're posted, but while I do think they're a bit more uncertain of Thoth than I am, I think these reads are all well-founded. My main concern is whether Helz is angling to keep Thoth in POE despite his claim. Early on, they pointed to the opportunity to ask questions of Pie as a consideration for Thoth's claim, especially since it's such an unlikely character to ask about and it came out so early in the DP, when scum are least likely to have used their questions, under limited pressure. I can't decide if this and the uncertainty in their read on Thoth is genuine or not, and that's holding me back from a more solid townread.