Banana

Vtl shining

we will avenge u! you played a long , hard game, props for stickin it out as long as u did. i would have got frustrated and given up a long time ago in ur shoes. ive done this with pie too many times and know how it goes. he has an incredible ability to never back down off a argumnt and pursue u til u fall. its rough, but its really on the ppl that follow him to not keep followin him and feeding his ego. bcuz he will just do this again and again. i get the logic for why he suspected u dont get me wrong, i was sus of u 2. but after a while it should be obvious that we were barking up the wrong tree here. it is blowing my mind that the same logic isnt bein used on rex either who seems more likly to be the mole in ur guild if there even is one. and all this time shining got to get away scot free bcuz they were so worried about shutting u up just for opposing them that they didnt stop to think that ur behavior was incredibly town regardless of if they agreed or disagreed with u. im ashamed of my fellow townies.

Why do you have such a hard on for me this DP? I'm not going anywhere. Like everything you posted just makes me scumread you like you are trying to save your bud Helz.

what have you done to be considered town? ur role makes no sense and everyone scum reads u but helz managed to make them angry that is the only reason he is the lynch today

Regardless of how this plays out I do appreciate it. 

np ive been in the same boat a few times

I have specific points and you can ISO me if you want to find them. I’m really not gonna spend any more time on this.

idea: we move on to shining and we dont ever have to talk about this again!

And now Banana is saying I betrayed my own guild.

i meant from his perspective, sorry didnt mean anything by it

But all the other Solo Leveling characters have only one ability.

the ones that have claim so far maybe, but have u not ever seen a role with more than one ability?

There's nothing about Jinho that seems to lend itself to tracking or doctoring. He gets items from his father sometimes but never goggles specifically.

doesnt mean much to me

He's gone from trying to deflect blame to me and Rex to trying to deny that I ever made my intentions clear in chat at all. It just seems like scummy behavior.

with all due respect you betrayed ur own gild, i get why hes upset

Shining has a bad claim and bad behavior. Helz has a bad claim, worse behavior, and mech analysis against him.

bad claim is debatable, bad behavior seems like because he is hurting egos by standin true to himself. ive been in that boat before.

What do you think of Helz's claim?

from what i seen and read, his character seems pretty legit, as in not very side char ish. i think maf used there fake claims already, unless u think they got 3. getting items from his dad makes sense with the claim. the roles dont seem scummy.

This is kind of throwing me. So you just think he's being stubborn and my false result on Pie is unrelated to me announcing who I would target in guildchat?

ya i think he is bein stubborn. and i think theres a good chance if ur results were messed with it was rex. idk he just feels so town here.

its not 2 late to switch to shining. shining joining the lynch should tell you somethin also.

No Banana, we are not going for a Shining lynch today. Helz is simply scummier.

scummier or hurts ur pride?

Can you reiterate why are you against a Helz lynch exactly? Sorry busy day and I don't wanna dig back. :p

i think he has some odd ideas about meta but it seems genuine and id really rather not lynch someone because they are disagreeable. n lets be honest thats what it seems like

shining! shining! shining!

we get it. helz is the new kid on the block and needs hazing. can we skip that and not lynch him for bein disagreeable and just lynch shining who everyone scum reads

lets lynch shining.

Let’s end this please. I would like DP up tonight

cant we lynch shining? i dont feel good about helz

The other thing I would say is town should probably chill on the paranoia of the guild being compromised. Its of critical note that Wyrly's first confirmed wrong check happened before they joined the guild. Their second bad chick was after they joined the guild. Having two bad checks is interesting.

this is a good point actually

I think its simply much more likely they are being targeted by something that screws with their result than something screwed with their first target then the guild was corrupt and it was intentional.

how would they have known wryly was the cop to do that?

 After I flip town if the town if the town stays paranoid about this your just going to end up gutting the guild. I think thats a bad idea. I did bring this up to my members after the nonesnse started. Talked with Wyrly a bit but Rex was just ghosted the chat. Even if they basically got me killed I think its a bad idea to chase down the guild over some half cooked paranoid feeling that there might be a rat even as it makes little sense.

rex ghosting u feels like it could be telling. maybe he is the mole.

Probably between Casey Risk, Shining, or Awesome. Was working through a PoE. Still has not changed sense the day started although you could throw in WF and Kohai as potentials I was much less interested than Awesome or Casey Risk. (Btw, Amaizing its taken this long for someone to ask me for my reads. Lol...)

ty for the reads. the only thing i am curious about tho is that rex isn't in your scum reads. if u dont think there is a scum in ur guild chat, what do u think happened with the results?

Quite honestly I am more mad that my guild mates did this to me. I get the town not town reading me. I intentionally worked to be a mid range read and encourage paranoia that I could be 3p and such. My guild mates had easily over a thousand posts from me as I dug and chewed on concepts and voiced some of the technical bits about what I was doing and why. They saw that I was really hunting and putting in some crazy work this game. That really sucks.

pie strongarming an entire guild into turning on each other isnt all that shocking to me. he mislynched me in another recent game when he was scum and it was one of the most frustratin things ever when slowly one by one every single person just took his side.

Now it looks like I am being lynched and theres hardly even a case on me. Nothing I can address. Its frustrating for sure but I am good with it. At the very least you are pushing me for info that you can follow up with after I flip.

yeah the more i am thinking about u the more i just cant really see u being scum. u r putting too much effort into this and feel like your actually frustrated. i will help you push shining if u want to go that way.

unvote, vtl shining

Seems like it works some of the time. Also seems like its blowing up in the towns face this time around.

if the only consequence of it is a single mislynch, i dont know if i would say its blowing up in towns face. but i get that u r heated bcuz its you specifclly in the hot seat. if i was town and in ur shoes id feel the same way. i dont know u r town here, but if you are i will feel bad about it, but this seems to be heading that way either way at this point

for the record i did town read u before it was indicated that there was a mole in the tiger guild. if its not u do u think its rex? jw cuz if u flip town thats maybe where we push tomorrow. i also dont want to skip over shining though, bcuz you have a point that they are likly scum. i just dont kno what we do about the investigation thingy bcuz that is clearly a problem we have to deal with and adress

if u r actually town here i do feel bad for u. our community has a way of giving new players a 'throw em in a fire head first and let them burn' mentlity and i experienced that in my first couple of games too. i was very angry and not sure i wanted to play after that. eventually the way things are done here grew on me, and i feel like i fit in more but i remember getting into it with pie and vader and some others in my first one. i wish our community was able to be nicer with players.

but ya its a very "comply or die" type of thing with this group. like i said tho it works for us so i cant really knock it either

well im caught up.

ya seems like we are lynching helz, after my interaction with him last night plus the reveal he is the other guild member it reads like he was trying to set up a million excuses for why pie wasn't town and was lying. we have good reason to believe the cops results were messed with so this just makes sense to me that helz was the scum in the chat

vtl helz

Vote Count

Helz (6/7) Mestari, Rex, Mag1c, Kohai, Wryly, banana

Shining (2/7) Helz, Vader

Awesome (1/7) Shining

 Also if you guys think I am scum put me through the wringer and milk every bit of info you can from me before I flip. 

sure, who do you think is likly the scum partner of shining and why

You had incentive to poison Mag1cman.

i thot alyssa was poisoner

But you are the conditioned monkeys not thinking things through in this situation.

i mean ur not completely wrong but what we do works. a lot of ppl dont like it but cant knock a working strategy

Anyway, I’m not going to be on much of today given that it’s my birthday and I’ve got enough going on beyond this. 

Happy birthday!

The fuck was I being scumread for? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?

not an american meal, clearly scummy you traitor!

I was mostly absent so long because I wanted to evaluate the cop's claim and decide if the cop was lying to mislead town or if they were being redirected to me, so I was kind of playing a double game. Now I'm leaning towards redirecting, and think that Helz may be our leaker.

Y am i not surprised helz is in the guild...