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looks like a lot happened

this is giving me a head ache. im taking a tylenol and going to bed. ill be back on tomorrow. gn

Explain to me how what they were demanding had any meaning in any way as they killed half a day for the entire town refusing to just claim.

if your going to ask or repeat the same points ill just refer u to the posts where i already answered them. in this case, post 636.

Ok. So you think I am not giving an answer in good faith.

i can tell u feel passionately about this, but u seem to be incapable of understanding or trying to understand the other side.

Walk me through how you see Pie locking up the day phase demanding they need to get an answer out of Rex before revealing what confirms them.

he was always going to need a good reason for doing it. being confirmed town is a pretty good reason. now we have that reason and know why he did it, and we have rex on the other side of the coin doin the same thing, but u r not holding him accountable for it.

Think about it, Why would Pie make things so stupid and dig in so hard demanding information and declaring it as necessary to prove their innocence if it had zero bearing on if they were or were not innocent?

i am rapidly losing interest in arguing against cirulr logic here. sorry i just dont have the mental capacity for it. it doesnt seem like this is going anywhere

Well what I do not do is lie to the community and make demands that have nothing to do with anything followed by voicing that the person with a check on me is probably not lying and then turn around and say they should be lynched. Thats for sure.

i dont see where a lie happened.

What would I do? Probably just explain myself and not hold the entire day chat hostage for 12 hours while making demands of information that do not relate to anything at all.

i was hoping for a good faith answer here, but it doesnt look like ill get one. if u have ur mind made up thats fine.

Just really think about this. If Rex told people in their guild what they were going to do was a HUGE issue Pie made a stupid level of issue. For fucking what? Why?

huh?

So to find common ground-

Do you not think he lied when he demanded that he needed Rex full role claim then demanded knowing if Rex had given information of who they would target as absolutely necessary for their defense? They took up half a day stalling the game and now revealed a guild owner claim.

How is this not just an absolute lie?

let me ask u it this way. u know for a fact u r town, and someone is claiming a result on u. u, knowing ur town, automtically know the results are wrong or the person with the results are lying with the second being less likely. pie has the added benefit of being able to confirm himself. wut do you do in this situation?

Look, shifting the burden from "I am undeniably conformed" to "is it possible" is the issue here. You have to recognize that right?

becuse there isnt a universe where it makes sense for pie to lie here, and if he is lying we will know soon enough. again unless u just dont think there is no other ppl in that guild.

You are missing a HUGE thing here. You are placing the burden on the counter claim being confirmation while Pie's entire thing was "I am 100% confirmed and if not I will even vote myself"

what reason is there for no one to expose the lie if u think he is lying?

The burden is not on others to confirm that they are confirmed town. Its on them. Shifting this burden to say "Well its possible" is nonsense.

it seems like pretty clear confrmation to say you are a guild leader when the mod said there is two confirmed town members and they are both guild members, and no one is counter claiming that.

Ok, Well I do not understand what you are disagreeing with on my points. I feel I am making very clear points.

ya i get that...

I am open to hearing what you see differently as well as understanding the points you are trying to make that I am missing.

it doesnt feel like it...

Until that happens them claiming something and not being counter claimed is not a confirmation. Its just them claiming some shit.

do u have reason to believe a recruit was forfeited twice in a row? because no other guild members existing in that guild is the only reason why someone wouldn't counter claim him and expose him

Lets unpack that again. Yes- two confirmed town exist. He claims one of them

But the counter claim is dead. They died in this day chat. The way they could be confirmed is if someone steps up and says they are actually that

lack of someone saying this is false is equally confirmation that pie isn't lying. unless u just dont think there is another guild member in the hunters guild.

U r just repeating the same things over and over and over and ignoring any of the answers. u can lead a horse to water but u can't make em drink.

can someone else explain this to helz better than i am? i am struggling to get the message across somehow. maybe im not good at explaining things

Wait. Shining framed Pie? What did I miss there?

we dont know! im saying its possible that shining is the guild member that framed pie.

And why does that not make it more absurd that Pie is arguing to kill Rex?

we just want information from rex on his guild. we dont want to kill rex. the only way rex dies is if he wants to die on the hill about not giving up his team mate, which would be silly. i am not going to policy lynch him personally but i hope he decides to help town so that doesnt happen

So going back into what Pie did. Its not about "Pie wanted to know this." They flatly pushed they MUST have very specific information and were confirmable if that information was given. Started out with a full role claim and evolved into a demand of if Rex told anyone their target.

Does that hold scum hunting value? Sure. But Pie 100% lied and fucked off like half a day digging in over it and it turns out that 'holy shit;' the information they were demanding meant absolutely fucking nothing in any way to confirm their slot.

i disagree entirely. the mod told us their is 2 confirmed town, and pie is claiming one of them. unless he is countered he is confirmed.

Then they claim confirmed. And they are not confirmed. They need someone to step up and say "Yeah, dude was the OG Guild owner"

again disagree. they would pointlessly reveal themselves doing this. it makes more sense to come forward and say he isn't the OG guild owner if he is lying. if nothing is said, it confirms that he isnt lying.

You feel that they can be counter claimed when we have a host confirmed smite on the claimed guild leader? You do know that happened. You did see a host day smite today. What are you even on about acting like the CC needs to happen when you saw this happen this very day?

wylted claimed he was a king which got him killed. if you thought it was guild leader relatd then pie would die too for claiming it.

And lets unpack Pies motives. Hard pushing for claims and revealing guild members and lying about it being necessary for their defense and following up with pushing to lynch a cop claim as they flatly voice they do not even think its coming from scum because... they want guild claims? Are you not seeing this nonsense?

he is pushing for the guild member because the results rex revealed are wrong. its not that complicated. pie was set up and we need to figure out who set him up. the logical option is that someone in the tiger guild knew who rex would target and planned their action around that to make pie look guilty. they didnt account for pie being guild leader tho.

Feel free to let me know what I am ignoring.

im trying, i feel like ive been repeating myself tho and u still dont get it

While you are one of my town reads I am really struggling to push how reasonable what I am looking at is.

i had town read u before this too, and now im just trying to decide if you are acting willfuly ignorant because u r scum, or if you are just actually missing the point. if its the second one we can fix that hopefully by explaining it to u. maybe i am not as good with my words as others and they can explain it better, but it makes sense 2 me

Also, why should Rex be killed over shining? Huge question mark there.

for all we know the unknown guild member that tried to frame pie is shining. we can handle that when we find out who the guild member is. if u wanted to argue that there was some other coincidnce that pie was copped guilty i would at least understand that, but acting like u are perplexed for the reason behind it is just confusing

So why should it be on the non-suspected individual to reveal their guild and not on the person claiming they can be confirmed (which would happen if just 1 person voiced "Yes, I was there and when dude was killed they were not the guild leader"

if that happens at any point we can lynch pie. do u really think that is going to happen? do u really think pie will do that? we are waiting for rex for tomorrow anyway, so there is plenty of time for someone to come forward by that point.

TvT is totally possible. My issue here is looking at how and why Pie did what they did. They overtly lied demanding information declaring that it was critical to their confirmation and now it looks like it has nothing to do in any way to confirm their alignment.

Y do u keep glossing over the clearly stated reasn for pie asking rex? he wanted to know if the info about rex's target was shared before the investigate happened.

They also declared that they are confirmed. Cool, Lets hear someone step up and say "Yeah, I am of whatever guild and the person killed was not the guild owner and instead Pie was the OG confirmed town player" That solves everything right there.

anyone is welcome to claim to be the real gild leader at anytime. if that happens we lynch pie.

Then they want to lynch Rex? Wut? They must reveal their guild mates or be killed over the absolutely absurd role claim everyone thinks is scummy because... Uhhh... They think a peek is wrong on a player they already voiced they thought was not lying but they are willing to kill them?

again we dont want to lynch rex, we want to lynch the scum that is in his guild that tried to frame pie.

Are you guys not seeing this nonsense? This narrative screams scummy imo.

it really feels like u r purposefully ignoring a lot of details here

Because they both have to win with town and if they have scum in their guild from there recruited they lose. We’ve just gotten really lucky and hit 2 scum and guilds can afford mislynches at this stage to cement their win con they might have

I think the guild has the wincon but I really don’t know at this point.

is it really more likly to be a weird wincon vs tigers having a scum in there chat who tried to setup pie as a frame target? ig i just don't understand why your conspiracy theery is more likely than scum existing in a guild

There is 4 votes on him to give up his guild and Kohai has stated he thinks he should be a policy lynch. Either way don’t you see this at opportunistic for Pie. His wincon definetly revolves around Rex’s guild and their wincon, so he would have much more of a benefit to force a mislynch

we just want him to tell us who his guild is so we cant find the other scum. they are only talking about a policy lynch if rex remains stubborn. also i will not policy lynch him, but i am helping with the pressure because we need to know the guild

what is fps

My bet is Rex is in the opposite guild and Pie’s wincon is lynching him

then y didnt luna try to lynch wylted? or do u think its just one guild leaders wincon and not both?

I’m not lynching Rex. Lynching an un CC’d cop is terrible town play. I don’t care what he aligns with. He has to win with town no matter what

nobody wants to lynch him, we want him to give up his guild. theres strong support that there is a mafia inside it and we need to know who that is. rex should have given this up already after strongarming pie into revealing he is guild lead. we are applying voting pressure to help encourge him to reveal the informatin

Then Pie finally reveals. Oh shit- Their claim had absolutely nothing to do with Rex's role? The question of if the guild members of Rex's people knew checking them was a thing did not even have any bearing at all on their alignment claim or confirming that they are town? Hmmm. Interesting.

he was asking because he knew he was town confirmed, so for a guilty to happen he had to have been framed or bussed. this means that someone in the tiger guild set this up because he had likly told someone in your guild chat that he was planning on investigating pie. so unless you can come up with a better reason that the result was wrong, it seems like a set up. and lets be honest it would have worked and pie would have gotten mislynched if he wasnt the guild leader. mafia got very unlucky with that.

At this point Pie has utterly and completely lied. The question is why. Scum would obviously want a full role claim and to know who was recruited and unlocked town powers. Lets pause for a second before I ramble about the rest and consider this. That Pie absolutely lied demanding information they did not need acting like it somehow was critical to them being cleared and now it seems like its total bullshit.

he was literly just asking a yes or no question about whether he had voiced his target to the chat about who he would investigate. why are u so opposed to believing that the tigers dont have a mafia insider in it?

Is Pie confirmed town with their claim? I would say in no way. The best evidence is the lack of a counter claim. We know that their guild only got 1 recruit D1 and do not know who (if anyone) was recruited past then. We have not seen a single person step forward and claim that "Yes, Pie was the original guild owner" and absolutely nothing has been confirmed in the slightest. Yet now they are again pressuring the only revealed guild member to out their people and role because.... Uhh... Fucking why?

this is silly. if pie wasnt the guild leader why wouldnt the real guild leader expose him? also if they are wanting to play safe for some reason they could have someone else in the guild who isnt the guild leader expose it. and lastly we can actually verify this when wylteds role is revealed. the doubt here is so confusing to me if u are a town motivated player. in fact my whole town read on u is evaporting completely now cuz i dont get why u r defending this so hard

lol

i do think its funny that giving up after something sus happens is a recuring thing tho. first with alyssa, who just disapered, then with shining who never gave his justification and vanished, and now with rex after a bad result. could just be a timing thing but its odd to see it so many times in a row

he did say he was going to bed. i would at least give him til tomorrow before lynching him