The only way awesome is scum is if 1) he redirected me, but if he did, who redirected Pie? and 2) awesome and Rex are both scum, tried to NK either Pie or Banana NP3, and Rex lawyered NP4.
this just proves my point that u guys already know there’s things that could factor and effect results and probably more variables than this we haven’t considered but u will keep returning to the “but tha seems unlikely” to any other alternative that comes up
Banana, I get being frustrated, really I do, but this kind of response isn’t helping your case. Wryly got one result that has since been proven wrong. The second result on Pie was proven right, but only after it became clear how her role actually works
nothing i say seems to help my case. Anything I say gets used against me no matter what i do or say. No matter what happens im in the Poe. There’s nothing I can do about that. i have no way to confirm myself. Period. even if i somehow survived today my lynch is absolutely inevitable. we can afford the mislynches so it’s not the end of the world but if I’m going to be lynched i do want it at the very least to serve some kind of point or give town some kind of lesson going forward, in this case that mechanics aren’t reliable. the only truth and constant I have is that I am town and all u have is my word on that which will never be enough.
Dismissing all that with a “you got untrustworthy results before” isn’t going to cut it.
i mean ur telling me this but I KNOW I AM TOWN. so it’s impossible not to look at this and kind of laugh when we are doing the same thing and beating this dead horse like it will be anything different when i know for a fact it won’t be. again at this point I can only hope it will be some sort of lesson learned
Lol.
I don't think you'd be stupid to question it, but I would like to hear an explanation for my result other than "but you were wrong before." Unless we agree that Mikal decided to make his mechanics absolute gobbledygook, then there's an explanation for why I was wrong before, and now that we've found a plausible explanation, you don't seem to want to engage that context -- you just seem to want to emphasize the narrative of "two wrong results = all results meaningless."
i think it’s safe to say at this point that
scum have incentive to lie so we don’t know whose being honest about their roles or who they visited to begin with. u have to be a bit naive to keep taking results at face value when they’ve been wrong twice. Idk what happened, u don’t know what happened, we can theorize about it all day but at the end of the day it’s just a theory and if u want to believe someone is scum, me for example, u can just keep using that as an excuse to scum read them. the problem is you said my behavior is townie, so the fact that ur pushing this so hard despite thinking my behavior is town demonstrates to me that u have ur mind made up or u are banking more on the results than we should be.
If the team ends up being awesome / Rex can I at least get props for being the first one to solve it?
if u think this is the team but are voting me in you are lying about ur reads. in what world do you get credit for calling out the scum team if u aren’t pursuing that scum team?
ill make this deal with anyone who cares to take it. Ask me anything about my behavior and decisions n this game and I’ll be more than happy to respond and have a discussion with u. i refuse to get baited into any discussion about night actions, investigations,and what if hypotheticals when mech has been wrong every single time. the only mech we know is that there are 2 confirmed town because Mikal litrly told us this so that’s the only mech I’m buying. I’ll be fair and apply this to my magic rrad as well because I’ve only been townreading him in the poison claim. we don’t know what scum is lying about and what actions have been messed with or how. Its pointless to even talk about them like they mean anything
this may be petty but it’s gonna be amusing when results and mech lead us to another mislynch and people still act surprised about it next DP
Wryly: *gets two wrong results*
also wryly: “my third result has narrowed Poe and you would be stupid to question its validity”
Not mech in general just mech in this game. it’s proven to have been unreliable so far in yet u still have faith in it like its the end all be all to solving the game. makes no sense
Your sole argument has been “idk.” You still haven’t answered how you can square REF and Awesome being scum with Wryly’s rwsults
im not arguing at all lol. and idk whats going on with any of the mechanical stuff, neither do u. mech has been wrong this whole game and u keep going down that path like it will be different this time around
If I wasn’t in good faith, I would’ve lynched you yesterday and I wouldn’t be asking you all these questions
ur asking me questions and everytime i answer u either have a rebuttal or tell me "that isn't likely". does it matter if you would have mislynched me yesterday as opposed to today if i was always getting lynched?
Alright, then don’t. You seem indifferent to getting lynched anyways
its a complete waste of time to argue with someone who has there mind made up. u r not arguing in good faith. every response u have is to try and paint me in a bad light and not even taking into account any possible way i could be town. its not indifference to being lynched, its indifference to trying to change the mind of someone who always gets their way and gets off on having the last word and being right. u got that already with helz, how did that work out? do it again to me for all i care
im litrly not even gonna read pies 210 lol im not doing that
ur cop results are your entire reason for this poe arg
my bad Banana lemme change my pfp back
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"Anything is possible" is not really an analysis of the mechanics or an attempt to explain the data as they stand.
i dont really care about mechanics. they are too advanced and crazy for me to understand, and we keep pretending to know them for some reason. they have been unreliable so far, so if you want to continue to rely on them and get mislynch after mislynch be my guest
It’s my job to convince myself that you’re town. You just saying “I’m town” doesn’t cut it. Tell me why you’re town. What have you done that makes you town? I’m trying to square your reads, but they’re unsquarable. If you think Wryly is town and REF/Awesome are scum, explain her results to me. Do you think she’s an insane cop? What do you think happened.
"guilty until i prove myself innocent" is what that logic is. i am town because my role card says i am town. if u think my behavior indicates otherwise that one thing, but ive been scum read entirely for mechanical reasons and poe, which have been proven to be untrustworthy this whole game. if ur job is to find scum assuming someone is scum and finding every reason for them not to be town is counter intutive to ur goal, but you found that out the hard way. and i have no clue whats going on with wryly and am not anywhere near good enoiugh at this game to begin to understand why results have been so weird this game beyond the possibilties that have been voiced and expressed by u and others already.
u keep wanting me to explain every situation that results in me being town mechanically, im just not gonig to do that because i have no clue about this games design. also people keep saying that anything i say is "tmi" or "doing this for town cred" so if any defense i have for myself will get used against me anyway, why bother? im gonna start turning this around on u. if u r town in my position what do u say here? u keep wanting me to find reasons for why i am town, so i want u to do the same. assume i am town and do it. if u refuse then you will begin to understand fmpov how annoying this is
Regarding awesome and Rex, can I at least get your opinion of #174
anything is possible. i no longer trust any results or actions in this game beyond pie being mod confirmed as its only led us down the wrong path.
I don't think the public paranoia that Mag1c was just doctorhunting was enough to dissuade scum from their diversion play. They still knew there was a decent chance the Doctor would go for the poison heal, and he did. In comparison, on NP3 there was like no reason why Vader wouldn't protect Pie.
"i dont think this that or the other thing is likly therefor you are scum" is a pretty annoying argument to respond to. u have ur mind made up, have fun mislynching me ig.
Thats just a WIFOM argument. They know the odds of me being protected were high. But we don’t have to rehash this, cause we already did it last DP.
everything is wifom. ur whole case on me is wifom, its just the wifom u choose to belive
I want you to explain to me how both Awrsome and REF are scum with the revealed information
no. i want u to do that. results have been untrustworthy the entire game, and u r choosing to take results for granted. its frankly annoying, and i know i am town trying to come up with 50 hypothethicals for every situation in the game is a waste of my time, u have ur mind made up and will have a response to literly anything i said. ive done this with u b4 and im not doing it with you again. id rather just get mislynched and get on with my life
But they knew that targeting Luna had a good margin for success because they had poisoned Mag1c. Solid chance the Doctor would heal Mag1c instead of protecting. That reasoning didn't apply to NP3. No reason for the Doctor not to target confirmed town.
iirc it wasn't confirmed that magic was town and ppl were suspect if he was even poisoned at that point. there no reason to think that is the better play unless you just want to believe the narrative that scum have no incentive to kill confirmed town for some reason
And the first option still seems like the strongest, especially with Shining flipping town and my result on Rex. I struggle to understand why scum would try to kill Pie when they knew Vader would protect him, why they would try to NK you when they could go for whiteflame or Mestari if they were looking for undoctored targets, and why Mikal would give scum an Injurer and a Poisoner.
i made this point already but it seems incredibly dumb that people are dismissing that pie would have been a nk target when the first night phase luna was killed. they are clearly targeting confirmed town despite the risk of protection, but somehow pie is exempt from that
When did I ever say that? I asked you to unpack your reads because all you have right now is “im not scum, awesome and REF are cause of POE.”
I’m asking you how it’s possible that what occurred occurred.
i did give my reads
"randomizes results" why are people still calling him a miller?
the question pies asking me all the time are questions that are designed to make me look scumy, and not look at alternative reasons for. why am i the only one that should be thinking of different reasons results can produce different actions? its abuntly clear there is several reasons for actions to interact with each other but it feels like ur just choosing to believe in the ones that put me in the poe over everyone else. idk why im the only one that has to answer these questions. if u have ur mind made up do what ur gonna do
you r a banana too!
In the previous DP.
where
That’s what he claimed.
where
Mikal basically confirmed that yesterday.
where?
Ok. If REF is scum is claiming Miller, why would he lawyer himself?
is that his actual claim or what we are lazily assuming his claim is?
We determined that on me, it was probably the fact that I was in a different guild.
do u know that for fact or are we just assuming that?
As for Alyssa, the running theory is that she was Lawyered
so why wouldnt that answer apply to rex? assuming awesome is town is the only way 2 know the result wasnt tampered with which imo is assuming a lot
Forget about who were going to lynch be not lynch. Help me unpack this.
If you think Awesome and REF are scum and Wryly is town, how did Wryly get an innocent result on REF?
how did she get an innocent on alyssa and a guilty on you?
What are your comments on what Wryly did with Awesome and REF?
if awesome is scum then the motivate didn't work and the results are meaningless. rex is likly scum fmpov but i doubt he gets lynched if u guys are buying the results
