Banana

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/30/2026 at 9:33 AM (post #135)

Mikal comes straight out the gate claiming one of his roles sounds scummy, so if he was scum, he'd nailed down a fake claim already or was given one by Rex. Would Rex give a Roleblocker/Strengthener fake claim? Doesn't seem like a great fake claim to give your scum players. Sounds pretty sus. If Banana is scum, does that mean scum were given no fake claims and only one character claim, Netanyahu? Her justification for her roles sounded good when I first read them. I need a look back.

well as u point out mikal said his role was scummy so u just have to ask urself if u think someone like him would do that as scum, or if he could come up with something good

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/30/2026 at 2:05 AM (post #132)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/30/2026 at 1:57 AM (post #131)

idk exactly, but it kind of makes sense with all the bus driver claims. he was really trying to sell that.

I just did a quick ISO of wylted's day 2, and I wouldn't say that he was trying to sell the bus driver theory. He denies it, then hesitantly suggests it's possible.

i mean at that point it seems wierd reading it tho because we had no reason to believe there would be a bus driver. why wouldnt he just try to sell u were scum and go this wierd direction of you guys being bus driven? just seems like an odd play but idk

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/30/2026 at 12:43 AM (post #130)

What exactly do you mean by confirmation? What do you think wylted could have been setting up Scum!Thoth to do?

idk exactly, but it kind of makes sense with all the bus driver claims. he was really trying to sell that. i dont know what else he would be accomplishing with that if you were both scum. its also possible ur just town and roleblocked him and it made him panic. i mostly got attached to the u and him bussing theory when u were tring to say 'i would never bus like that' which is exactly something someone who bussed would say. but i guess the more i think about it the more wryly and wylted could have been bussing just the same. kind of just a null point all rround

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/30/2026 at 12:36 AM (post #128)

I suppose it's possible that wylted rolecopped Pie on night 1.

possible, if he did tho wierd he waited to np3 to kill him. pie as a town tracker being left alive for that long is a threat, but maybe they preferred to kill the cop

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/30/2026 at 12:15 AM (post #124)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/28/2026 at 4:16 AM (post #13)

wtlted- np1 claims role copped Thoth and got his own role back. we know this is false since he role copped pie np2 and got a tracker which pie hadn’t claimed. so he used a watcher or a mirror. if Thoth is his town then he is setting up for his mirror role to do some sort of confirmation i think. if thoth is scum i dont know what their play or plan was here except for a half baked bus or sumthing.

Could you please explain?

i meant to say if thoth is scum he is setting up for his mirror role to do some sort of confirmation. i think where u r confused is because i said town

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 11:10 PM (post #121)

Re: your #9 and #13 today. I don't think I understand these posts. My Rolestopper stops actions from affecting the target player.

also rex told me if a mirror is used and u targeted wylted then u would have rolestopped yourself, u didnt claim to have action fail so that means u actually role stopped him np1 or ur scum

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 11:10 PM (post #121)

Re: your #9 and #13 today. I don't think I understand these posts. My Rolestopper stops actions from affecting the target player.

i know, did i say otherwise im confused why ur confused

Although, now that I think about it, Banana's claim is really fucking scummy and could just be her straight-claiming. Not sure I buy her claim as town more than Wryly overlapping with wylted, though.

i mean i agree its scummy, role wise. i dont know much about the character though.

Why so active today after posting less than I did the previous two day phases?

i have more time now. had a busy week last week and was barely paying attention to the game hence why i messed up my action.

not seeing a lot of sense of direction from anyone here and that is concerning. i think this is an ideal situation for a scm team because they can hope we just make a panic rush decision. now everyone’s going to sleep by the time they are up to post its going to be decision making time. not good at all. :(

i know wryly is busy with her gran so i understand her distance this phase but it feels like both her and Thoth are just not really in this last dp. Thoth was like this the whole game but wryly was actively complaining about activity for most of the game just to kind of… not be here so idk what to make of that or if im over thinking it.

starting to question town reading her. this is lylo and there’s no sense of urgency whatsoever

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/29/2026 at 8:45 PM (post #112)

I agree, but I haven't eaten today and I'm just beat. Sorry guys. I'll have to get back on later.

ok… hopefully you can be on a lot tomorrow bcuz I think we should make a decision tomorrow before too late and i don’t feel we have progressed too much yet, this isn’t a good sign for lylo

24 hrs left we need to get more discussion goin

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 7:37 PM (post #104)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 6:02 AM (post #83)

can u ask rex how ur role stop would work with the lovers? 4 example say u rolestopped whiteflame, and vader died what would happen?

curious because of the conflicting claim with doctor, want to see if u actually could have prevented a double kill in that situation

Rex said the rolestopper would not have saved the other lover.

did u know this before just recently?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 7:41 PM (post #105)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 5:40 AM (post #80)

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7q/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp3?comment_number=68

maybe i miss it but can u give more details on ur character? how does erika kirk interact with candace owens specificly

My role PM liste a bunch of esoteric facts/“facts” about Erika Kirk and then describes her, apparently facetiously, as weathering the assault from the forces of evil. It doesn’t get into her interactions with Candace.

okay that stands for me. mine doesnt either. i was going to be suspicious if it did since u didnt point out any earlier when u claimed

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/29/2026 at 5:09 PM (post #92)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 8:45 AM (post #85)

i am now realizing not strengthening u kind of made lylo harder than it needed to be. even if I strengthened scum idk how bad the impact would be because i could have confirmed u were lying if u had no results or if u did have results force a 1 v 1 which would have made it a 50/50.

being inactive and inattentive before wasn’t the best. o well

Yeah this is what I'm currently struggling with. My lingering doubt is if you're town, what was scum's plan for your Strengthener? If Thoth is scum here, he knew that if he let you live, he might have to go into LYLO with me saying I saw him visit Pie and you saying you strengthened me. That's a tough corner to be in, he has no choice but to 1v1 me hard. It's like they weren't worried about your Strengthener. I'm weighing whether scum would've been afraid of Pie enough -- or maybe confident enough that you would be wary enough to waive Strengthener -- to let you live into LYLO. Maybe I should also factor in that scum knew wylted would flip 1x Watcher, which gives them an advantage in 1v1 with me.

looking at d3, it seemed pie had placed the most fos on me and thoth going into lylo. so there is a good chance the pie kill was done as a frame or if its thoth as a means to not go into lylo with someone who actively suspicious of him. hard to say tho

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/29/2026 at 4:33 PM (post #91)

I'm back. Full disclosure, my brain is a wrung-out sponge that was trampled by a thousand feet and then chewed on by mice. I'll try to catch up

sorry about ur gran, i know thts gotta be stressful

if there was a gun to ur head and u were forced to make a decision right now who u think the last scum is who would it be? i know a lot can change in a day and a half, but im curious what ur headspace is in. ive been pretty transparent with mine

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/29/2026 at 8:58 AM (post #86)

Hey guys a reminder I'm headed to the hospital and will be busy today. I skimmed but I'll respond more fully when I get back. But as for the Watcher thing, if we were scummates wouldn't I have used wylted's 1x Watcher to produce a result I could use to build towncred? Instead I'm 0 for 2 on my results, which hasn't helped my case at all. And if I was his scummate I think I would've been too wary to claim any role that could link me to him if he was lynched, especially given how recklessly he was playing, which is why I don't get the bus conjecture. Why would I bus someone who would create a problem for me if he flipped? If that was the plan I would've claimed something different.

i mean i said all the same stuff already, when u catch up you will see i guess. but yeah im kind of townleaning u now. i have a lot of issues with thoth behaviorally. i started scum reading u but now im doing a bit of a 180

i am now realizing not strengthening u kind of made lylo harder than it needed to be. even if I strengthened scum idk how bad the impact would be because i could have confirmed u were lying if u had no results or if u did have results force a 1 v 1 which would have made it a 50/50.

being inactive and inattentive before wasn’t the best. o well

reading about a public feud between nick fuentes and candace owens. kind of looks good for wryly, tho could be a fake claim. ig candace owens just had a bunch of conspiracy theories about charlie kirk and erika asks her to stop, kind of makes sense with commuter ig, but the hat sales and re emergence is interesting

can u ask rex how ur role stop would work with the lovers? 4 example say u rolestopped whiteflame, and vader died what would happen?

curious because of the conflicting claim with doctor, want to see if u actually could have prevented a double kill in that situation

overall, i think i would have to say wryly seemed scummier from a mechanical view at first, being a watcher with no results, with scum having a watcher as well and also a tracker and a cop existing. thoth isn't the best mechanically either though. another role preventer along with mine is wierd and he also only has two 1x roles? the only person with 1x's so far has been wylted who is scum. also with an ever night tracker and a cop, it makes sense if scum have a counter to that so its possible they have a ninja or redirector i think. if thoth is scum hes probably one of those roles. wryly as scum proly has better odds coming into lylo as scum just trying to make it a 50/50 between her and me or thoth. the conservative play doesnt make a lot of sense here. also claiming watcher when her scum partner had a watcher is just a very risky move for her. if wylted died at any point this would look bad for her, and wylted had claimed early dp2 long before she claimed watcher. at the point where she claimed watcher as well wylted was already kind of doomed with his conflicting claim with thoth. so if it was a planned bus from wryly, this would backfire worse for her than a bus would backfire with thoth. that and thoth non committing to voting wylted dp2 despite being online at the time and saying he was gonna do it, just to not do it last minute and to now justify that he always knew wylted was scum... just makes NO sense to me.

i started the dp scum reading wryly but the more i think about this the more this looks like its just thoth. i just have to accept the idea that there is three investigative roles, including two of the same role, one on each team. which is easier to accept if u consider scum thoth prolly has a ninja or somethin equal to counter it.

yeah i still want to hear more from wryly, but i want to make my opinion about thoth clear now.

okay going to compile my current thots on wrly and thoth

Wryly:

townie things:

townpilies pie early for hated claim

townpilies pie early for hated claim. does scum wryly townpile a strong player like pie this early?

defended the luna train against kohai and wylted

big seperation from wylted to wryly dp3, again could be a bus, hard 2 say

scummy things:

wylted votes her out the gate dp1, but doesnt really do anything with the pressure, makes it seem convluted maybe like setting up for a bus. then wylted ccs her and she proceeds to kind of overreactt to that for most of the dp. the whole interaction just feels a bit staged as some others have mentioned, or not natural

wierd push for thoth to claim dp1

townpilies pie early for hated claim

overreacts by people talking about the boob joke and says "oh just lynch me". seemed a lil over the top

vader who died had wryly strongly in his poe

Thoth:

townie things:

wylted switches vote from luna who we now know is town to thoth. could be a bus tho since he instantly revoted luna, but still somethin to consider

says he thinks its pie after hammering wylted, which is a wierd thing to say, but maybe he expected this to give him towncred in lylo? idk at fce value tho kind of a town thing to say

scummy things:

susses wrylys candace boob thing but later says its he townreads it in his reads whiteflame asks him 4

casts lots of early doubt on pies hated claim dp1

whiteflame, who died later, has wryly as a town read and thoth null leaning scum. whiteflame was pressuring thoth to get a clear set of reads from him towards the end of the day. vader also had thoth null in his reads b4 he died

happily wagoned luna dp1 purely on low activity, close to end of time running out where he was likely to be a lynch

pie had thoth in a lot of his poe. https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=86 two of his dp2 scum teams had thoth in it

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=103 really tries to distance himself from being a scum team with wylted, who was clearly the lynch (also evidences if it was a bus it was probably planned to make him look good)

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7q/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp3?comment_number=68

maybe i miss it but can u give more details on ur character? how does erika kirk interact with candace owens specificly

"I know you guys are town because you didn't hammer me."

Wylted catering to me/thoth https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7q/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp3?comment_number=21

further invalidaing the full bus committal that thoth is clinging 2

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7q/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp3?comment_number=21

also to the point about wryly and wylted not really bussing each other except weakly and for a joke, wylted was pushing a wryly/pie scum team dp3

I knew he was scum, I just had no reason to pull the trigger instantly.

if u 'know' someone is scum theres no reason not to. if u were wrong but u planned on lynching him anyway we still lose. just saying u cant use "i knew he was scum" when his survival and ability to get another night action off was ur fault when u could have hammered him. my excuse was that i wasnt active at least. u were online, active, and claiming u were ready to lynch him just to last minute vtnl out of nowhere....

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=204

also u make it sound like wylted is too dumb to bus effectively, but u thought him and pie were bussing? pie wanted wylted bad all dp2. so wylted can only bus when it applies to litrly anyone but u?

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=172

here u say u r ready to vote wylted

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=193

here u say you could vote him because u r "that sure"

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=198

then bam you just are single handedly the reason we no lynch here.

all this talk about how u "wouldn't bus" but then are just super non committal and r kind of the reason he survived an extra day to use his role the next night. not a good look, and this also looks bad for ur argument about the bus

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 4:01 AM (post #69)

Nah. wylted is just too dumb to grasp that willingness to vote someone does not equal intent to end the day phase early.

i dont think hes dumb at all, just trolly.

Given mislynch math, I would have pushed for a VTNL on DP2 as town or as scum. If I were going to bus wylted, I would aim to do it on DP3 once more claims were out and more results were in, or at least later in DP2 if it seemed like VTNL would not go through.

i mean, he did get lynched on dp3 tho..? so how does that help ur point?