also just realized wryly wasnt the first to claim odd/even, i was, and she claimed odd after it. so i guess that point is moot
also just realized wryly wasnt the first to claim odd/even, i was, and she claimed odd after it. so i guess that point is moot
anyways my point here is getting of track. my point is that u 100% would bus wylted, and that either way some bussing was done. u saying u wouldnt bus isnt really a clear here. whether wryly is scum and bussed and whether it was less effective or not is kind of irrelvant
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 3:41 AM (post #65)
He counter-claimed her in a way that could easily be played off as a misunderstanding. It reads as theater to me, not as a genuine bus, especially with how adamant Wryly was about how she was obviously not Candace Owens' left tit and nobody could take that seriously.
My claim that something was wrong with wylted's results couldn't be written off as a joke like that. From your perspective, it might have been a bus, but it would have been an actual bus where the Wryly/wylted debacle early in DP1 was not. I was advocating for the no-lynch because of the possibility of buying us an extra DP if my Commuter succeeded. Also, I knew the mislynch math was presumably going to work out so that we would have 4 DPs total if we VTNL'd on Day 2 and my Commuter failed, which is also how many we would have had if we lynched wylted and my Commuter failed since we would have had to VTNL with 4 people on Day 3.
I was at least 80% sure that wylted was scum at the end of DP2. I no-lynched because of the chance it could buy us another day phase.
but even in regards to u and wylted bussing there is other things that stick out to me that makes me think a bus was planned in some regard either way. when u voted luna he immediately votes u and calls u scummy for it, just to vote luna himself a few posts later. u also dont respond to his fos about that at all and just commit to voting him after. just wierd.
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 3:26 AM (post #63)
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 4:17 AM (post #59)
u did push wylted but then wryly and wylted kind of also bussed dp1,
Arguing in jest is not a hard-bus.
u think it was in jest? he full claimed candace to cc her. i dont think it was in jest. it was either a bus or he was trying to mislynch her imo. im leaning more towards bussy. but its a wierd argument, because in ur mind u think "i wouldn't bus" is an argument in favor of yourselves, i having seen wylted and luna do it in the pitt though think wylted is more likely to do that with his partner, so it kinda feels scummy either way. which isn't a point against u just kind of a neutral point that applies to both of u.
My guess is that wylted's vote on Wryly was borne of tension in scum chat. As I said, not the most star-crossed match imaginable. Notwithstanding that it was clear that wylted's early move on Wryly was unlikely to result in her lynch.
but if we flip that on your claim that you and wylted bussed, you kind of invalidte that 2 bcuz u were seemingly buying into the bus drive talk he was putting out. u were advocating no lynch over lynching him at the end of the day, so if u want to say wrylys bus was weak, so was urs.
again not a point against u, just invalidates ur claim of "i would never bus like that"
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 3:18 AM (post #60)
Rex never told us what fake-claim information scum got. I guess it's possible that they asked something like, "Is there an even-night role?", and were told yes.
possible, seems like a waste of a question if they could ask questions, but kind of useful ig
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 3:17 AM (post #58)
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 4:15 AM (post #56)
on one hand they had only 1x watch so on that basis it makes sense if shes scum too claim odd even since she wont have many chance to prove her role. on the other hand she was the first to claim an odd/even mechanic and now we know there are other odd/even roles so it does give it credbilty but that could just be luuck 2. i was kind of hoping she would have made this a 1 v 1 with a result on one of us, but if she is scum looks like she took the safe route. still not totally convinced its wryly tho. trying to weigh everything how do u think they would have guessed the odd/even thing? i guess mod could have hinted it but that seems basatrd a bit
I'm guessing that Wryly's scum role is odd-night, which led scum to think that there was an even-night town role, so they kept the odd-night part of the claim in so that it would match with the even-night role once it got claimed or flipped.
if she is an scum odd night role i wonder what it is. proly a counter to cop or tracker? ninja or godfather or something. could be a roleblocker but if you and me are both town that like three role preventin roles.
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 3:13 AM (post #55)
I would like to point out that my post #19 in DP2 felled the first domino in the chain of wylted being sussed and lynched. If I were going to hard-bus wylted, I almost certainly would have waited until the next DP to do so.
well there is a case to be made for both of u "bussing" wylted. from my pov knowing im town, its a 100% fact that someone bussed wylted even if some of it is more minor than other. u did push wylted but then wryly and wylted kind of also bussed dp1, wylted voted her out the gate and was on her most of the dp, even convinced pie to vote her at one point. he also flat out character claimed her and tried to lead a lynch on her, so that could be seen as more of a bus then your saying wylteds results were false.
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 3:09 AM (post #53)
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/28/2026 at 4:01 AM (post #11)
whats hangin me up is that pie was an every night tracker, she is an odd night watcher, and luna was an even night cop. the odd/even between her and luna kind of makes sense, but watcher and tracker are more known counter parts to each other so why would the tracker be every night but the watcher be odd only?
My guess is that Wryly is scum with an odd-night role and kept the odd-night part in her fake-claim because they guessed that there would be an even-night town role, which would make her claim sound more credible.
on one hand they had only 1x watch so on that basis it makes sense if shes scum too claim odd even since she wont have many chance to prove her role. on the other hand she was the first to claim an odd/even mechanic and now we know there are other odd/even roles so it does give it credbilty but that could just be luuck 2. i was kind of hoping she would have made this a 1 v 1 with a result on one of us, but if she is scum looks like she took the safe route. still not totally convinced its wryly tho. trying to weigh everything how do u think they would have guessed the odd/even thing? i guess mod could have hinted it but that seems basatrd a bit
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 2:56 AM (post #48)
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/28/2026 at 9:41 AM (post #24)
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=174
what did u mean when u said u can confirm urself? can u explain how u thought a commuter would confirm u or were u just that confident u would be the nk?
I said that I could probably confirm myself. Yes, I was confident that I would be the night-kill and that I could confirm myself as Commuter by claiming after there were no kills overnight.
and u were confident you would be the nk on the basis that u claimed protective? evven tho there was other protective roles also claimed? this was in dp2 when a claimed watcher and cop existed wasnt it?
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 2:06 AM (post #43)
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/28/2026 at 3:36 AM (post #8)
so iirc u were a rolestopper night one, a commuter night two? i think u should probly full claim here, any reason to hide info anymore?
1x Rolestopper on wylted night 1
1x Commuter on night 3
nothing on night two?
we r losing time guys
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/28/2026 at 5:35 PM (post #38)
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/28/2026 at 2:15 PM (post #35)
I didn’t sus pie necessarily but didn’t town read him either. but like i told u b4, i tried to block him because he claimed hated, so i wouldn’t be hurting a power role. let’s say ur town and i roleblocked u for example that would be bad for town. pie was claiming a passive role so I couldn’t have hurt him. i had no way to know he was actually a tracker tho.
as for why i chose to try and roleblock Thoth that seems obv, pie was town bcuz Wylted and him 1v1 and Wylted lost and was scum so pie was guaranteed to be town so my options were a claimed watcher or a rolestopper/comuter and a watcher. blocking u didnt make sense at the time bcuz if pie was an even night tracker it balanced well with ur role. in hindsight if i knew u were a watcher might have made me deliberate it more tho.
Yeah I should rephrase. In DP2, it seemed like a good bet that wylted was scum. He had claimed Candace, which was an outlier. He had claimed a JOAT when there were already two other claimed JOAT Juniors, and he had claimed Vote Sensor, but said he hadn't used it, which seemed incredible (in the original sense of "incredible"). So why not just roleblock wylted? Why did you think there was enough of a chance he was town that it was better to just play it mechanically safe?
had nothing to do with thinking he was town, just didnt want to hurt a power role and pie wasnt one. nothing 2 complicatd here
if I knew Wylted was a watcher is what that meant to say lol
I don't have the brain RAM to think about this lol. I promise I'll reread your posts later and give you something more in depth. In the meantime, can you tell me why you sussed Pie enough to try to roleblock him, why you didn't vote wylted DP2, and why you tried to roleblock Thoth?
I didn’t sus pie necessarily but didn’t town read him either. but like i told u b4, i tried to block him because he claimed hated, so i wouldn’t be hurting a power role. let’s say ur town and i roleblocked u for example that would be bad for town. pie was claiming a passive role so I couldn’t have hurt him. i had no way to know he was actually a tracker tho.
as for why i chose to try and roleblock Thoth that seems obv, pie was town bcuz Wylted and him 1v1 and Wylted lost and was scum so pie was guaranteed to be town so my options were a claimed watcher or a rolestopper/comuter and a watcher. blocking u didnt make sense at the time bcuz if pie was an even night tracker it balanced well with ur role. in hindsight if i knew u were a watcher might have made me deliberate it more tho.
ill brb later, got a busy day
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/28/2026 at 10:05 AM (post #27)
I watched Pie and I saw nothing, so I'm fucked. I really don't need the stress of LYLO in my life rn lol. I was sure Banana would strengthen me
not sure i would have tho cuz if u were scum then we have no counter to ur nk and there was a chance thoth if town could do something to stop a kill since he was a rolestopper commuter. but i prolly wouldnt have purposefully strengthened him either, cuz i dont town him.
anyway can u tell me did you just see nothing or did you get a message saying your action failed?
Neither of you hammered wylted DP2, neither of you are even role confirmed, Pie sussed you both at the end, and I have no way to mechanically confirm myself to whichever of you is town.
can i get ur thots on the balance issue of you being watcher, pie being tracker, luna being cop, and wylted having a watcher?
If Banana is town I feel like I should've seen Thoth visit Pie, because he would've assumed she would Strengthen me and there's no way for a single scum to really do anything about that, as far as I can think -- if he blocks or redirects Banana's Strengthener, I still see him visit Pie for the NK; if he blocks or redirects me, it doesn't work because Banana strengthened me. What am I missing here mechanically? If I saw nothing then they had a Ninja left, I assume. A Ninja would've been undetectable to both Pie and myself, so they could've just killed Banana and not had to worry about a Strengthener messing anything up. Could be they just didn't want Pie's mech wit in LYLO. Or they saw me townreading Pie last DP and couldn't afford to have him in the final three.
i might be paranoid but i think they killed pie because he said this: https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7q/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp3?page=3&comment_number=76
try to set me up for a ml maybe hoping ppl would read into that
also can you read some of my thots about night actions, and how rolestopper interacts with these roles and my answers from rex? when ur free of course no rush. been picking my brain about the mechanics here, because i think the answer is here but im not putting it together
just asked rex if i would recieve an action failed message if i was rolestopped, he said no, only if i target someone who was rolestopped.
so confused. because i targeted pie np2 and got an action failed. pie never confirmed that he was rolestopped did he? i wish he did. but pie didnt say any results so im assuming he had none, he either got a townie looking result night phase 1 and 2, or maybe just night one and then was rolestopped night two. if he was rolestopped night two that means thoth lied and is scum tho because i targeted pie and my action failed and the only role i can see that could do that is thoths role stop.
so... its possible something else could have made my action fail, rex wont give me specifcs and he said there could be other things that did it, but i got to say that this doesnt look good for thoth fmpov
I've completely let theme analysis fall by the wayside here, but it looks like Thoth is correct and our characters have beef with Candace. The question then is if the theme split is as simple as Candace vs the world, if wylted was dumb enough to just straight claim Candace as scum, and what character his scum partner would've been given.
can u explain exactly how u came to the conclusion u did about the theme split?
what did u mean when u said u can confirm urself? can u explain how u thought a commuter would confirm u or were u just that confident u would be the nk?
in this post u say " I also would not have received a message saying that my night action failed because my Rolestop on myself would have stopped me from Rolestopping myself, hence no action to fail."
this is in refernce to a bus driver, not a mirror granted but can u tell me if you are coming to this conclision urself, or did rex tell u this after asking?
so if wylted used mirror np1 thoth wouldnt have known he was roleblocked. he could have watched himself. trying to figure out what his plan was with the "thoth is a joat" thing then. reading the isos between him and thoth it definitely seemed like he was setting up something with the mirror just dont know exactly what. then np2 im confused why my role failed. only thing that could explain it that i know of is if i was rolestopped by thoth. which would be sussy because he claimed to commute that night phase. that or the other scum has a redirect and redirected me to wylted, which is possible but seems a bit more far fetched than me just being rolestopped. hmm
starting to doubt the wryly suspicion now.
this just in!!!
i asked rex how a roleblocker and a rolestopper interact with a mirror. he said "If a roleblocker targeted his mirror they would reflect back on themselves and receive a 'your role failed' message. If a rolestopper targeted him the role would also be reflected back on himself, so that anyone targeted the rolestopper would be roleblocked, but they would receive no indication that their night action was reflected."
asking rex some clarifyin questions about this because idk what he means by "his" mirror i thought the role was a catch all to all visitors
trying to decide if theres anything to decifer with thoths d1 insistance that wryly was actually candace owens now that we know wylted is candace owens. not sure we had any reason to believe candace owens would be scum at that point. and that was a big talking point for him early on
still waiting for rex to answer about the rolestopper and mirror btw, he hasnt got an answer to me about that
if thoth was scum this was a wierd thing for him to say after wylted was lynched.
the more and more i am thinking about this the more and more i think this is going to be between me and wryly. and me not using my night action correctly wont help my case. only defense i have for that in advance is why would i go through the hope of tryin to convince u guys im a dum dum as mafia instead of have a plan laid out for my night action. the dum dum play is not an optimal mafia strtgy.
gonna say this in advance, pie dying really makes me think wryly is going to come for me here.
look at this post from pie: https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7q/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp3?page=3&comment_number=76
pie says this and dies, so it sets me up for a ml. if wryly comes in gun blazing with a result on me, its going to be pretty obv. just pointing this out in advance lol. thoth would have already pushed this angle, but has less weight to do it without being a claimed investigator. tho he did make a comment about "I'm going to be flustered if it's Banana "
i dont think thats enough to indicate an agenda yet.
would scum wryly have been that fearless to claim watcher with her scum partner having one? they would really have to be banking on wylted not dying, which she pretty willingly voted for him last day phase. could be sunk cost, maybe they realized he was dying anyway and wanted to be on board to use it later. but that requires us to believe there is two watchers, one being a 1x, the other an odd night, with an every night tracker and even cop. which is ig possible but a lot.
rex got back to me, said that he entered my action is as a strengthen on thoth, so it was completely wasted ig.