Casey_Risk

So I'll be honest and say that I don't think Thoth being intentionally difficult is AI here, not for him specifically. He comes from playing in a different community with a different meta, and I believe he would be stubborn to teach the town a lesson he feels must be learned. The problem is that the potential TMI tell still exists, and he hasn't done any more to address it. I guess he probably doesn't have any more to say in his defense than what he's already said - fair enough, but it's not a good look regardless.

I want to hear from Shining and Max before we consider actually lynching him tho. No one should get through DP1 without saying anything.

Legit questions were raised that could have legit answers and push the game into a honest and legit examination of the other players in the game.. Can we get back twords that? Wtf is even going on with this game..

Yeah, this site's meta is definitely very eager to push people into claiming. That's why I use Anticlaim in the games I host.

Is it one you intend to answer or do we have to give you the kohai treatment from debatecraft players mafia and put you at l-1 and see if you don't get "accidentally" hammered?

Can we not do that? As of this post, not everyone even has/had checked in yet.

Also, you can just call me Casey. Or just Risk, tho everyone else just calls me Casey, but both are fine with me.

Ignoring all that bullshit and the horse it rode in on Kohai’s 153 stands out highlighting that ‘slip.’ We can unpack that without touching the angle shooting nonsense. Opportunistic intention tell gunning for the situation with a lot of framing organizational posts and few takes outside of this. Does not look great but in 276 they shift to Thoth which in context is not opportunistic and looks better.

I mean, others have already explained that Kohai is autistic and tends to take things very literally, struggling to pick up on hints that are very obvious to everyone else. I saw this in my own game, Deltarune Mafia, where he failed to pick up on an incredibly obvious hint that everyone else understood. Also he was drunk at the time. So I'm satisfied with that explanation and I'm not going to press it further.

Casey_Risk caught my attention. They hit on critical information control in 322 but they seem to take very ehh ‘acceptable’ positions to the point I question how many original positions they have. That in mind..

@Casey_Risk Who do you think should be focused on and why?

Yeah, that's fair. Like I said, I was tired last night and just trying to catch up before going to bed. Wasn't thinking super deep about the game, just sharing whatever thoughts came to mind. I'm still catching up from when I went to sleep last night, but I still feel like Thoth is a good focus for now, mainly because he's the only real lead I see atm. Everyone else except Luna and Wylted is pretty much null to me.

I know I said I was going to sleep. I am, in fact, awake. I didn't lie, I just failed.

Low key tho, I'm not sure I buy Thoth's explanation. I've seen worse genuine mistakes from town, but I do agree that it seems sus at a glance. Will ISO him tomorrow probably.

Also, I realize that I forgot to bold my Unvote earlier, so for the sake of vote count accuracy:

Unvote

Going to bed for real now.

Unvote

I'm tired and my thoughts are kind of scattered rn. I have no strong reads atm aside from townreading Luna and Wylted for obvious reasons. Going to get some sleep and revisit in the morning.

Catching up after I've woken up from a nap. Fuck me this is already too long...

Yup, I just went through the pain of catching up myself. I feel you.

Casey, banana, and wryly are all claimed females irl btw. Alyssa as well but you know that already.

I actually never claimed that my gender was female, just that I was fine with people using she/her for me.

> What happened in transformers mafia?

I wasn't talking to you.

Yeah, no fucking shit. Obviously I was asking because I was curious.

I do not see this as fatalistic as a few of you keep making it sound. I am happy to hear your argument though, but so far you just seem to be echoing a hollow statement “that it was dumb” without a lot of support.

Maybe it's not as bad as my initial instincts. I do see the point that there's a good chance that at least one mafia is already in a guild chat. Still, it's giving away info completely for free, and as a rule the town really should avoid that, for obvious reasons. But what's done is done, not going to argue about it further.

Not a bad track to listen to while playing mafia tbh

If you like that, you should listen to the entire Ghosts I-IV album. It was actually released under a creative commons license, meaning you can download it completely for free (legally).

On second thought, it's not that much harder. The probability they recruited at least one scum on night 0 is about 3/5. (16 * 15)^2 = 57,600 possible recruitment offers, of which (12 * 11)^2 = 17,424 invite only townies to both guilds. We should act under the assumption that Mafia have an interior line into at least one guild.

I'm too tired to check this for myself right now, I'm just going to assume you are correct.

It is optimal. If it's not then blame the loss on me. You modded transformers mafia. Have some faith

What happened in transformers mafia?

because that's wayyyy too OP'd? Also that's a quick summary of it not a direct copy and paste

I was a scum Popular Bulletproof Ascetic in Austin's UPick Mafia on DART. Though that was a very different game. The town was also quite powerful to balance.

Doesnt really matter to me cause it’s WIFOM. Base case objectively it’s scummy, or you’re just dumb, which is a possibility I’m starting to warm up to.

This logic does not make sense to me. It's a very shit rebuttal. Even if you disagree with someone's opinion on how to proceed, if it's what they would have done as either alignment, then it's not AI. Being anti-town is not synonymous with being scummy.

Character - Kohai

Role - Currnelty VT become ascetic upon being recruited

Justification - as a moderator nothing gets past me

This justification does not make sense to me. I also don't understand the rush to fullclaim.

To further expand, I famously open claimed godfather once as godfather in a game with a lie detector and got the lie detector lynched when they got a "True" result on my statement that I was the godfather. It was a throwback reference.

Pfft, that's actually hilarious. I know there was once a game on DART where Greyparrot actually outright claimed to be scum (he was). Somehow Pie still managed to carry him to victory.

VTNL is retarded here, and it’s scummy to even suggest it.

Wow, great counter-argument, you sure convinced me!

Black noise on the other hand...

Actually, I think Black Noise is a fine instrumental outro

I am Choi Jong-In)

Leader of the. Hunters

Great, now scum already have two crucial pieces of information. Town is playing really well already.

I also think the other one shouldn’t reveal at this point. With one, we can have a Doctor/Watcher combo to ensure no shenanigans

How do you know those roles even exist? Most town roles aren't usable yet anyway.

I am going to go ahead and claim that I am Baek Yoonho, leader of the white tiger guild. I am one of the town confirmed players. Since I cannot die np1, I figure it's good to get this out of the way so we don't waste time potentially scum reading me. Its up to the other guild leader if they want to publicly out as well.

Why would you out yourself right away?

With this many players our POEs are gonna be hella wide early on, we might not want to pass up any opportunity to winnow it down

I generally agree with not vtnling except at MYLO or starting on evens, but I think it makes sense here. We're certainly not going to have LESS information tomorrow if we don't lynch today.

This is 100% pandering to me. There's no way this person didn't read my posts in the pregame and think, "Oh my goodness, Mestari is such a good player and I want to pocket them so I'm going to be an echo chamber for their thoughts." And, to be honest, it's warm in this pocket.

I did, in fact, read your posts in the signups thread. I'm not buddying you, tho. That's something I might have done as a noob, but not now. It's genuinely just an idea I thought of while thinking about the setup, and I think it's a good one.

How do we want to deal with the recruitment thingy? We can't recruit and use abilities in the same night, so it may be beneficial to vtnl a few times to get recruitment up and activate more roles without shortening the game by lynching.

I think vtnling a bunch is a good move if we want scum to win.

FUCK, I just got scheduled overtime literally every single day next week. Sucks balls.

Anyway, I've been busy with work, but my shift is about over. I'll catch up when I get home.

Probably not going to be super active until tomorrow, but I have been thinking. There are at least a few characters with roles that work even if they aren't recruited to a faction. And we know that there will be no NK tonight. What if we just VTNL today, see what info we get from the NP, then decide on a lynch tomorrow with more information? It seems like a pretty safe course of action to me. I'm curious what everyone else thinks.

17 players, LFG!!!

VTL Magicman

I know what you did in legend of Zelda mafia

I've been meaning to get back into this. I was sick af over the weekend, but I'm feeling better now and ready to play mafia again.

/in

Doesn't make Mag1c 100% town since we don't know the theme split, but I'd say it's far more likely that he's town than not.

I'd be cautious about leaning too hard on this sort of analysis. It's not all too uncommon for protagonists to be scum - hell, I made the main two characters of Deltarune the scum team in my game. Granted, I'd agree that he's more likely town than scum, but I'd still only put him in lean town at best based on his character.

Honestly have no idea, but I would think anti-claim is in place to prevent us from claiming, so it would be pretty messed up if a triggered hidden mechanic where the mod confirms your character triggers something.

This much I agree with, I don't think Thoth would put in a mechanic that could punish the town just because of random chance.