Preliminary notes:
"If" there are mechanics which require randomness? "If" there are neutrals? So possiblyprobably a TP and possiblyprobably some kind of randomizer craziness down the road.
I wouldn't jump to this conclusion; seems like boilerplate OP stuff to me. I doubt there's a 3P in an eight player game. That sort of thing is hard to balance.
Hello, everyone! It's good to be back. I know absolutely nothing about this theme aside from what WF has already shared, so I appreciate that. I agree with not character claiming due to possible Anticlaim.
VTL Kohai
Okay, go ahead and count me /in, unless Shoresy wants in. He can go ahead of me.
Hey everyone, sorry for disappearing out of the blue like I did. I think I'm ready to get back into mafia.
/in
Hey all, checking in. I will try to be a more useful member of the town this time around. I have seen the first two Alien movies as well as Romulus, haven't seen the others.
/in Alien
So I was thinking last night. My role is informational. Luna's role is also informational. Rex's role is pseudo-investigative. And Thoth's role is investigative. Are they all really in this game? My guess is probably not.
I know I went pretty hard against Luna earlier, but honestly, his behavior is actually pretty towny. It's making me rethink things, and I wonder if Thoth is just a Mafia Scout or a JOAT with a 1x Scout.
But I'm also starting to question my hard townread on Wryly. It was largely based on me not buying that Mikal could be the only one that could stop the NK - but now I realize that Rex's ability can technically do the same. Does this game really need a Doctor?
So yeah, upon further inspection, I'm way less convinced of my Luna/Rex theory. I know I'm still probably going to be the lynch today, but I'm going to change my vote to align with my gut here.
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VTL Wryly
Looking at her posts in isolation, they don't impress me. Feels like she's just going with the flow of any potential lynch wagon that isn't her.
If I target someone and I live, they are town confirmed. If I manage to hit the NKer I can also stop it but will die in the process. If you guys can figure out who I visited on the night that I died, you can find scum.
I actually hadn't considered your action being successful even if you targeted scum. That does make me rethink things slightly. Hmm...
I might be wrong, but I get the sense that lynch protection is unheard of on here.
Lynch protection is not literally unheard of, but it is very rare. I certainly have never seen it given to scum before.
Btw I am genuinely sorry this game is causing you stress with the amount of work you are piled with, and I hope you can get away and enjoy the concert this weekend without having to stress too much about a game.
It's not really the game that's been stressing me out, it's just that work has taken a lot out of me. Also my trip is off to kind of a shitty start. I just got sick and threw up out of nowhere. 🙃
Okay, I can tell that I'm going to be lynched today. I am absolutely exhausted from working four twelve-hour shifts in a row and on top of that, I have to drive for several hours tomorrow. I simply don't have the energy to defend myself here. But I do want to explain myself.
Yeah, I'm focusing on Luna here. But that's because I'm pretty confident in my reads on Wryly and Thoth. I simply don't believe that Mikal was the only role that could potentially stop the NK. Wryly pretty much has to be town in my eyes. So for me, it's either Thoth or Luna. I think Thoth is more likely to be town.
Honestly, for me it comes down to his stated thought process thinking he had to have been interfered with to have seen a self-visit, and thinking that the risky part of Luna's claim, assuming he's scum, is that he claimed a villain, not that he claimed Dreamer. It just comes off as so genuine to me, not the sort of thing he'd present after conferring with his scum partner. Also, Magic seems to back up that he self-visited? At least, he doesn't deny it.
But that's important, because in DP2 of Ace Attorney, Luna went HARD against Mharman when his own Tracker results showed Magic visiting himself. In fact, he was the Doctor, but Luna still ended up leading his lynch. Here, he can't possibly be the doctor, otherwise he would have CC'd Wryly, but Luna just.. Doesn't seem to scumread him? It's such an odd shift, and it stands out for me. I can understand prioritizing Dreamer results to an extent, but the total lack of any focus on Magic from Luna is jarring to me. That's why I think Luna is scum.
Also, I've already explained part of why I don't like Rex, but he just gave me another reason to scumread him:
I see her floating the idea that we're scumbuddies as an attempt to break out of the bind that she finds herself in, but it just feels forced - I don't recall Casey ever engaging in that kind of farfetched theorizing as town before, whereas Thoth did literally the same thing in the last game.
Rex makes it out like we've played many games together. We have played exactly ONE game together where I was town. This sort of thing is part of why I sussed him slightly in Terraria Mafia - he made a post saying that he had heard I was a good player, which just made me think - 'Where and when did you hear that? We've never played together before...'
So yeah, those are the reasons behind my reads. I think the scum team is most likely Luna and Rex, smaller chance of it being Luna/Magic. If Luna is really town, I have to assume that Thoth is scum. Do whatever you will with this information, but unless Wryly manages to stop the NK tonight, tomorrow is LYLO, so choose wisely. That's what I got for y'all.
I guess the argument is that two townies who can die if they target the wrong person seems too much... mm, idk.
Worst case scenario, the Hider targets the NK target, the RB targets scum, and the NK is successful. Three town deaths in one night. That's kind of absurd.
More importantly, why does a weak RB even exist? It's basically useless. And most importantly, why did Rex want to stay alive so bad when his role was so low utility?
By the way, does anyone else think it's crazy that there's a claimed Weak RB and a Compulsive Hider in this game? Because that's kind of nuts as far as balance goes, especially in a 9 player game.
Because again, we literally just no lynched in your deltarune game and obliterated scum. It seems like you were adding steam to pressure of getting any lynch off regardless of who it was on. Scum have motive to mislynch, and encouraging people to throw caution to the wind last minute helped that cause.
This argument is flawed for multiple reasons. First, I already explained why Deltarune Mafia was a different situation due to being on evens. You even copied that into your response, but you didn't respond to it. Second, you should know by now that I will ALWAYS go for the DP1 lynch. The idea that I'd suddenly change my meta based on a game where scum were very low activity is just silly.
Third, yes, scum want to lynch town, but generally, NLing is better for scum since it doesn't progress the game for the town. I'd say that was true of Deltarune Mafia. The town made no progress DP1, and going into DP2, the Mafia was still in a good position. They lost due to their own inactivity and general poor play.
But let me ask you a pointed question here. Would you have honestly scumread me LESS for allowing an NL to happen than switching to Mikal? What would have been the towniest course of action for me to take, in your eyes?
Ugh, I have to work. Fuck my job. I'm just going to do this now and elaborate when I can.
VTL Luna
Generally speaking, no lynches only occur "accidentally" or due to inactivity, and even then they are pretty rare. It just seems odd to me how hell bent against it happening last day phase, and I wonder if it added steam the the pressure mikal got.
WHY would it seem odd to you? Yeah unintentional NLs are rare, but DP1 was very low activity and we were clearly in danger of doing it.
Of the 5 on the lynch, one was confirmed town (wf),
Okay, so at least one confirmed towny switched last minute, and at least one other on the wagon was town as well. So it's obviously not AI.
So, do you remember Ace Attorney Mafia by chance?
For all we know mafia had asked their questions and had fake claims ready before the game even started, it doesn't do much.
If you think I'm fakeclaiming, do you think I came up with my claim myself, or do you think I got mine from my partner? Why? Who do you think my partner most likely is?
In post 216, and 234 you seem extra hell bent about no lynching. Care to explain why a no lynch is so devastating from your POV here considering one occurred in delta force and it was a steam roll for town?
Deltarune Mafia started on an even number of players. This game started with nine. All previous games I have been a part of that started with a NL on nine players - Breath of the Wild, Indian Politicians, Inheritance Cycle - they all went very poorly for the town.
Honestly, this angle of attack feels like you're trying to conjure up some extra reason to scumread me. Everyone switched to Mikal last minute at the end of DP1, save for Magic.
Also I am curious as to your thoughts on why whiteflame was killed
That's a good question. Either Rex is scum or mafia figured he was baiting. Scum usually want to keep potential mislynches alive, and few people were widely townread DP1. Magic, assuming he's town, wouldn't have been a good choice since him leading the Mikal wagon would give scum some potential room to put sus on him. And I feel like there was plenty of room to put sus on any of us in the Dreamer results (which I am increasingly suspicious of). By process of elimination, WF makes sense as the NK target.
This is really frustrating for me. I can see reason to townread everyone alive rn
Also, I'd like to point out that I softed my role during DP1:
I will say this: it would be helpful to me, personally, if everyone claimed whether or not they are from Araluen, and if so, what Fief they are from. But obviously, that would put the town in danger of narrowing things down too much and benefitting scum, so I don't actually suggest we do that. But there is a particular reason I bring this up. (It'll make sense later.)
You know what, Wryly and Thoth are both looking pretty towny to me right now. I can definitely buy the Luna/Rex theory. My only problem with that is that Tracker and Doctor are both very 'normal' roles and Pie likes to include lots of unusual roles in his games, with WF and I being good examples of that. But Mikal was town and Hider is also pretty normal (even if it doesn't typically have the Compulsive modifier) so I'd say it's plausible.
Honestly, I was just about to claim anyway. Alyss is a diplomat and went on a mission to investigate Lord Syron's death but got captured. However, I was still able to communicate with someone named Will using the Diplomatic Code. Therefore I am the Emissary. I was told info about a town-aligned player at the beginning of the game, namely that they were from Redmont Fief. Obviously that was Whiteflame. I was thinking there was maybe a small chance that someone else would claim the same fief, in which case I would know they were almost definitely lying.
What’s the hold up yall?
I already said why I'd prefer to wait to fullclaim. Though I will admit that the chance of me actually catching scum here is low. If you want my role bad enough, I will give it.
Of the people in POE, Thoth seems the least scummy to me.
Funny, I feel the opposite, personally. I'll have to reread DP1 though.
Imagine Luna fakeclaiming Dreamer again LMAO.
I believe him tho, and I'll claim my character. Alyss. I'll fullclaim as well, but I at least want Thoth and Wryly to claim what fief they are from (if they are from Araluen) first. There is a small chance we can catch scum this way.
Time to claim
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VTL Mikal
Are we really going to NL again? I'll switch to Mikal, but if we're going to lynch anyone, we have to do it NOW.
I also dislike that Rex gave a soft which we can hold him to and basically said he won’t back until the dayphase is over and Casey pushes
I didn't even see Rex's post until after I made mine voting for him. It still doesn't move the needle for me however, I'm not just going to blindly trust someone that they shouldn't be lynched because reasons.
makes no sense as the push only accomplishes somrthing if we just outright want to kill him. Pushing for pressure does nothing as he won’t be here to respond.
I'm not pushing for pressure, I'm pushing for a lynch. I do NOT want us to NL today. I've made that mistake before. Starting with a NL at nine players never ends well for the town.
I'm okay with the push on Rex. He's a null read for me, hasn't done anything in particular to push the game forward, and I don't like his reaction to Magic's response to his reaction test.
VTL Rex
