With regard to max: I will remind you he is also Jewish and this is Passover. We shouldn’t read too much into his absence
I actually didn't know that he was also Jewish. Wish someone had said so earlier.
I have other thoughts to share. My shift is about over, will say more when I get home.
Mikal said there's no NK tonight. The reasonable assumption is that no one will die tonight. If that's wrong, Mikal is a bastard mod. Mikal is not a bastard mod. And if he is, we scream at him in the Endgame thread. QED
potential strong PR that’s confirmable. Worst case we mislynch and they sub in for max.
Doesn't do us any good if they don't show up
If we lynch today, we end up on evens tomorrow. It's better to stay on odds.
I'm pro-ending the day. There'll be no NK tonight, meaning that tomorrow we'll have the same roster (minus our lynch target if we do that) and the game will have progressed relatively little.
really really hate the idea of blindly lynching someone because they’re a zero poster
Why? What do we lose from losing them? What do we gain from keeping them?
Strongest TRs: Wylted, Lunatic, Pie, and Mag1c.
I get the others, but why Pie?
Chinese fire drill lynches land on scum like 90% of the time
Examples?
Also I would shrug at them being a CFD option EOD.
I'm perpetually learning new acronyms. What's CFD?
Would I be going after LHF if I said that Banana is totally in my elimination pool? (Pun intended)
Bananas aren't really low-hanging, tho.
More seriously, I think her lack of participation is overall NAI coming from her. It's certainly not pro-town, obviously, but if anything, I feel like scum Banana would likely be pushed into a bit more activity by her partners. The last big game she was a part of was Terraria Mafia, where she was scum and also low activity, tho as I recall, she was still more active. If we're going to lynch someone for low activity, Airmax would probably be a better option simply because he's the only one who hasn't even shown up at all.
I don't think spoilers have been added as a feature yet, no.
Youre welcome, but the argument has always been the same. We gain information with flips. Plus there will be no NK NP1
No NK NP1 is a good reason to not lynch yet! We'll have more information tomorrow on which to base our decision!
Why did you do a complete 180 between 303 and 309?
I didn't. I think a VTNL today is fine, I just don't think we should do it repeatedly like Mestari suggested
We gain information from town PRs, most likely. We also gain info from who tried to recruit whom
So are you gay or straight? Kinda confused
There's more than those two options, you know
Brief thoughts now, will share more later.
Still don't like Thoth's behavior, but his claim does make me want to back off for the moment. I see two good ways of continuing from here:
Magic's reads post looks good to me. Well-reasoned, I find myself agreeing with him.
Don't know what Thoth's character means, I haven't researched the show at all. Also busy right now, will do more on my next break.
While you are here if I could pick your mind on the subject of flavor. I am seeing a lot of demands for people to claim who they are as the character in the game. I generally look at flavor as NAI but on this site is that a thing? Bad alignments get the bad characters and good alignments get the good ones?
Not really. You see all kinds of theme splits on this site. Sometimes it is just good vs bad, but the majority of the time it's not. People here just tend to be eager to push for claims. It's a part of the meta that I don't particularly like, but it's a natural consequence of most games here being role madness.
In blind or semi-blind setups I do not like to make assumptions. Its very possible Mafia has PR's and adding some form of 1 shot strongman and such would be in the cards. I have asked quite a few questions to the host on the subject and strongman was brought up with protectives not functioning as +1/-1 but instead immunity with exceptions.
In the meta here, a 1x Strongman would simply modify the NK, it's not its own separate action. So, no, I really don't think that's in the cards.
Does mafia need to be recruited to activate their PRs? Thats also a valid question. Something I have been watching for if people seem to lobby to be recruited and although both Town and mafia in that situation would have motive for doing so I am not seeing much of it. I would expect wolves to push in that direction if that was the case
I would guess no, since the setup only mentions town members needing to be recruited to use abilities.
Then there is the question of 3p. One could exist with its own KPN and that could hit N1. Potential does exist there
Technically possible, but I don't even know when the last game was with a killing 3P. I think it's very unlikely given the meta here.
And we can look at things from a balance perspective. 4v13 is slanted in towns favor. Town also starts (and should have had) 6 effective PR's at game start with a mechanic leveraging chunks of the town being role blocked each night to create more PR vs using whatever abilities our 2 guild leaders have. This is pretty damn strong. This increases my paranoia that Mafia has powerful roles as well as the potential of third party existing.
Even granting all of that, it still doesn't lead me to the conclusion that there will be a death tonight. From my perspective, we should take what Mikal said about no NK NP1 at face value. He's not a bastard mod.
I will bring up that unless some unwritten rule exists I do not know about a no-lynch on a day with no factional kill is an option. Its also important to consider that just because N1 has no factional does not necessary mean that mafia does not have some other kill utility.
You think that mafia might be able to kill even if they don't have access to the factional NK? I think that's highly unlikely tbh.
As a rule of thumb, don't assume anything Wylted says or does is the norm for anyone other than him.
Any other thoughts besides wanting to lynch Thoth?
Would he have to know that Mikal knew him? Mestari's not someone who does anything quietly, and given the, ahem, interesting conversation we had in the public discord the night before, I think it's fair to think that someone who wasn't familiar with Mestari would ask the guy running the game if they knew who they just let in.
I mean, Thoth has had ample time to adjust to the culture here. Mestari certainly didn't say anything crazier than anything Wylted says in any game. So I'm not sure he'd feel the need to do that.
Also I'm saying it now because Thoth's had ample time to claim this cover at this point and hasn't. If he wants to do so now, I'm fine with just skipping the rest of the discussion and hammering.
Understandable, but I still want to hear something substantial from every player first. Airmax, are you going to participate in the game you signed up for?
Regarding the actual sus being thrown at me, there's a pretty clear person that's being left off the list of people who's familiar with Mestari on a mafia level and a personal level that matches me (which I hinted at in #386, though I didn't spell it out to not provide Thoth with a get-out-of-jail-free card in case he is scum). Mikal (i.e. the person hosting this game) is just as familiar with Mestari as I am, both on a mafia level and a personal level (arguable as to who knows Mestari better per se, but it's a hair that's not worth splitting for this context). All it'd take is one question in Thoth's role pm of "Hey who's this Mestari guy who's blowing up the discord with sex jokes" for some level of understanding to be imparted. So sure, if Thoth flips scum then I could be scum by association, but there are other explanations to this.
Would Thoth know that Mikal is familiar with Mestari, though? Also, it's weird that you're providing this cover for him. If this was the actual explanation, surely Thoth himself would have said so. But his actual explanation for himself is "my brain wasn't braining".
Your profile is based btw.
Alr, I guess Rex did in fact scum read me in Ranger's Apprentice and townread me in Retro Games, and was wrong both times, so I guess that does make sense after all. Disregard.
Wait, I guess there's Ranger's Apprentice as well. I forgot about that one.
I'm awful at reading you and am not even going to try based off a few DP1 posts.
Hmm, okay. Feels like a weird statement to make, though, considering we've played, like, two games together where I wasn't almost completely absent. Terraria and Retro Games. And you were scum in Terraria. The only game we've played together where you were town and I was active enough for you to potentially read me was Retro Games. Is one game really enough for you to conclude that you just can't read me?
Casey null because Casey
Actually, I want to press this a bit. Rex, what do you mean by this? What does Casey being Casey mean to you?
Right, that makes sense
The joy of a 17 player game. Even if every player contributes a low-ish amount, you still get tons of posts
Remind me why you think Thoth being scum would implicate Alyssa again?
