Hey, I'm here. The 60 hour work week I had kind of swung a wrecking ball at the progress I had been making with my mental health, which is why I disappeared. After a certain point, I assumed that I must have been either lynched or replaced out, which is why I was surprised to learn that I have been injured. Which means that unless there's a healer role here, I'm going to die tonight. So I'm alive, but only for today. I'm going to try to get caught up, but I'd really appreciate a recap as well.
So the case here was that this statement: -- "First ability is the one I said was confirmable. Second one was the thing I can do at nights that doesn't require recruitment" -- implies that her Rally the Hunters power doesn't require recruitment, but her Widely Admired does. This could have just been phrasing ambiguity, and I'm not attributing anything conclusive to it. As a Solo Leveling character, none of her abilities should require recruitment. I'll wait for her to clarify this.
I'm here and caught up, but I also have to go back to work in five minutes. I have more to say but I'll respond to this now. I've been ruminating on the fact that Alyssa claiming her Widely Admired role only works if she's recruited makes absolutely no sense from any perspective if she knows she wasn't recruited. Not even WIFOM can explain that kind of blatant error, it just makes no sense. I actually do think that Wryly is right here that this is an ambiguous phrasing issue. Also, everybody is talking about the weirdness of a combination Popular/Lynchproof, but no one has brought up how powerful that is for scum to have. I still don't like her behavior but I can see a world in which she's town. Want to think about this more. Will be back later.
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You know what, I'll answer myself before going to bed. Vader. He's one of only a few players that I can't find any good reason to townread. I guess you could argue the townslip at the beginning of today, but that's fakeable. Other than that, he's participated pretty minimally and hasn't done anything to impress me. Granted, you could say the same thing about Banana, but she did put in enough effort to make her giant reads post which I quite liked.
I would like to hear more from Mestari. I feel like he had a fine start but got really lazy at a certain point.
I’ll say outside the confirmed town helz is by far and away my strongest TR
I agree, Helz is town af, and he does bring up a good point.
I'm gonna ask everyone a similar question to the one I asked yesterday. If you had to vote for someone other than Alyssa today, who would you vote for and why?
Understood. I just do not see the point of speedrunning the game when we are at the start of a 96 hour day cycle with new replacements who have not posted and low content players existing
I don't think this one is 96 hours. Normally days here are 72 hours; DP1 was just an exception due to Passover/Easter.
In any case, Alyssa did lie about needing to be recruited for her Popular status to work, so I think that's more than reason enough to vote for her
VTL Alyssa
So, some important context is that early on, Thoth referred to Mestari as a potential fearkill, which is something he shouldn't have known, having never played with him before, suggesting that he got that info from a scummate. Alyssa mounted a strange defense of him, saying he might have asked Mikal who Mestari was before the game started (he was in the Discord). Naturally, players noted that Thoth being scum would potentially implicate Alyssa as well due to her defense of him.
Obviously lots more happened, but right now I'd say that's the most important thing.
Oh, and Kohai (I believe) started a pressure wagon on Shining that grew quickly. That got brought up as well.
Wveryone scumread ur slot for inactivity
I certainly didn't scumread it per se. Being inactive is scummy, but being a total no-show is NAI
Welcome! How much have you read of DP1?
Well... Guess we'll find out real quick
I'm here and caught up. Just a heads up, tomorrow starts my week of hell, so I'll be relatively low activity until Saturday. I'll try to be as involved as I can, but I can only promise so much.
I agree that behaviorally, Alyssa seems strange for the most part. That being said, I still struggle to believe that she and Thoth are paired for the reasons I gave yesterday - she would have had to have tied herself to her partner in such a conspicuous and suspicion-drawing way. I obviously can't write it off as a possibility, though. Waiving last night is definitely a questionable decision, but tbh I also would have assumed that the guilds more than likely would have recruited rather than electing to use night actions. Will have to think on it some more. In the meantime, I'm fine testing out her Popular role.
VTL Alyssa
An argument that I did not feel was actually an argument against me because it doesn't accuse me of being scum. If you want to lynch me per consequentia mirabilis, do it, but ask yourself first if you are willing to accept that I could flip town just to confirm a PoE on a third-party. In your shoes, I'd consider it but would rather pressure an inactive for a scumslip first.
What a lame response! You'll respond to an argument that you're scum, but not a strategic argument for lynching you regardless of alignment? What difference does it make? You get lynched either way. And you say we should pressure an inactive first? Motherfucker, what do you think we've been doing over the past I-don't-even-know-how-many pages? Largely waiting on inactives to activate! I even just said the only reason I haven't put you at L-1 is because I want Shining to respond to the wagon on him. Have you even been paying attention? It feels the real reason you avoided responding is that you realized you didn't actually have a counter to offer.
Holy shit, it is actually later than I realized. This game has been engaging
I literally just provided a new argument in #1418 that you pointedly ignored after I said you weren't countering it.
I'm not hearing a counter-argument.
The only thing making me hesitate to put you at L-1 is the fact that I do still want to hear from Shining.
Anyone remember the Russian Mafia when That2 suggested lynching Luna after he came out and claimed Dreamer results, the idea being that either he'd be scum or they'd know the results were accurate? I say we follow that plan for real here. If Thoth is scum, great. If not, we know his list and know SJW must be on there.
Tbh Thoth's defensiveness about the quality of his claim sounds like scum!Thoth defending his own concocted fake claim. I'd kind of expect town!Thoth to say "yeah it's dubious af but it's what I'm stuck with", like Rex did in Alien mafia.
I agree, mafia do tend to get defensive about that kind of thing. I know when I'm scum, the thing that pisses me off most is when people scumread me for reasons that I think are total bs and shouldn't be considered SAI. Like when DD completely misunderstood my role claim in time travel/rants and kamikaze killed me for it.
I'm trying to be objective and say, well, maybe town actually does not buy my claim.
Maybe?
It’s possible that I just don’t remember it, but off the top of my head I would say no. I have seen universal back ups and cop back ups though frequently.
Good to know. Because from my knowledge, Nurses seem to be one of those roles that are a lot more common on other sites than on this one. Makes me think it's the kind of fakeclaim Thoth would come up with himself.
Question for you and the other oldheads here: have you ever played a game with a backup doctor before?
Yeah, I've only been posting on mobile this game, so I get it.
I poorly rephrased my role PM. I will try rephrasing it again
During my time as a moderator I''ve endured countless criticism, complaints, reports, name calling etc. and nothing seems to affect me. That's the justification for being ascetic once recrutied
You know what, that seems believable to me. I'll buy that
Sorry, I'll cut you some slack
I have to admit, I don't like how you still haven't responded to #1132
I think it is far-fetched that I wouldn't have thought of that, but people do make mistakes. The Helz/Mestari mixup proves that. But you would also have to believe that ThothScummate!Alyssa defended me with a different explanation than I had already given, which would speak to a complete lack of coordination in scum chat that doesn't fit with how active and invested in the game we have both been. I'm starting to believe it wasn't even a pocket attempt because I can't see scum!Alyssa trying to pocket me that incautiously either.
I wouldn't have to think that because I don't think you two are partnered. I've been clear about that.
For your benefit, I played in Retro Mafia (scum) and Ranger's Apprentice (town) as well. And technically also Alien and one other, but I went AWOL in both of them.
Savant just added ISO to DC earlier. Try it out for yourself
Your argument relies on the idea that you would have though of the same justification that Alyssa came up with for you. But maybe you just didn't. I don't think it's that far fetched.
All I'm saying is that he's kind of a hypocrite, that's all.
The town did win but only because of really poor scum play. Doesn't mean turboing DP1 was a good move. I've played many chess games where I hung my queen and still won, doesn't mean it wasn't a blunder on my part or that I should intentionally hang my queen in the future and hope it all works out anyway.
This is why we don’t end DPs super early folks
You're the one who led the turbolynch on Kohai in DC Players Mafia
