I somewhat sus Thoth popping in exactly when they did. The second a counter train forms they 'wake up'. Possible- also a bit of a coincidence. Them voting self pres 100% makes sense. Any player with any sense to them will do that. Voting while excusing the timing as "I just woke up?" has me scratching my head.
His first post of the evening was at a similar time yesterday. Also his Bingo card has him keeping a similar schedule to Luna. I think the timing aspect is probably largely coincidental.
Last line should be "And keeps track of the looters that come". Fits the meter of the limerick way better
I would like someone to name one possible world in which scum!Thoth would defend that supposed slip with a mixup between Mestari and Helz instead of having asked Mikal during signups who Mestari was.
The one in which Thoth would make such a WIFOM argument... Which is plausibly this one.
Any thoughts on the question I posed in #1058?
Forgot to tag when I voted
VOTES
Thoth 5/9 - Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted
Shining 3/9 - Kohai, Wryly, Casey
Kohai 1/9 - ILikePie5
Thotj has been the center of attention this DP. I’m not buying he has no thoughts on Thoth
Consider my vote a pressure vote to get some thoughts on Thoth
You know what, I can get on board with that
VTL Shining
If you fuckers cut this day phase short by two days I'll fucking tunnel everyone on this wagon
I mean, how much more movement do you expect us to make at this point? We already have a ton of posts to analyze for reads. Somehow I doubt that this day is going to end other than a Thoth lynch. Maybe we wait for Max to appear or get replaced, but what's the point of dragging this DP out all the way to Sunday?
I feel like even in the case of a Lost Wolf it doesn't make sense though. She wouldn't have been able to tell him about Mestari if they weren't sharing scumchat.
You're right, that slipped my mind somehow. Disregard that idea then
Right now it's looking like Thoth is going to be the lynch today. I'm okay with that, but I'd like to ask everyone here a question. If you had to vote for someone else, who would your choice be, and why?
I've played few games with Casey, but her (still not sure on preferred pronouns) posts haven't tipped me one way or another.
I do actually prefer they/them, though most people here use she/her for me. I don't really make a big deal of it either way. But if you ask me what my pronouns are, I'm going to say they/them.
Good reads post overall. You make good points regarding Alyssa, I have to admit. I find myself agreeing with you in that it's difficult to find the scum motivations behind her actions (I don't buy that she's partnered with Thoth, unlike Rex), but her behavior still feels off somehow. All I can think of is that maybe she's a Lost Mafia like Vader in Retro Games? Just a thought.
That is sweet, Savant you are the boss! Tagging to show my appreciation
If he made my image in the same thread he made jinwoo win with any faction it would make sense for the AI to get confused and put in my card I win with any faction
This is interesting, but I'd caution against reading too deeply into it. It might mean something, but it might also just be a weird AI mistake. They screw up in minor ways all the time.
You would Vtnl over voting Thoth?
I would, yeah. It's not like we can't lynch him tomorrow if that's what the town wants.
To be clear, if we are going to lynch someone today, I don't think Thoth is a bad choice necessarily. I just prefer a VTNL for reasons I've already explained.
That doesn't really address the point that, if she and Thoth are partnered, she chose to defend him in an extremely conspicuous way, and I just don't think that the scum team would plan on doing that kind of play.
Not really seeing Wylted's case against Wryly tbh. I guess she could be scum, but she's far from the top of my list.
Alyssa feels like scum caught in a spotlight, desperately trying to disentangle and bus their scummate but having a very hard time of it due to the specific situation.
You think Alyssa and Thoth are partnered? I still think that's unlikely.
Really tempted to give Casey a townread since she's been so engaged and responsive, though I can't say I'm leaning in any direction with her so far. Part of that is her desire to just end the DP and take out an inactive. I get the latter to some degree (though there are actual scumreads in play from other players), but the former not so much. Even if none of the inactives post again, I think the notion of ending the DP early is just not great. It's a lot to read through and keep up with, I get it, and there may not be that much to add at this point for those of us who have been active, but I don't think we benefit from just moving on early.
My preference is still to VTNL, but I'm also fine with lynching an inactive. The main reason I said I was pro-ending the day is just that I feel like progress has stalled to an extent. I'd agree that hearing more from Shining and Vader would be helpful, and Max of course, but like Pie said, at a certain point it begins to feel like pulling teeth. Though I'll concede that Banana did actually show up and post her reads, which was helpful. In the meantime, though, it feels like we're just waiting for the others to say something. But I guess we do have time, after all. If the town wants to wait, I suppose it's nbd. I just want to see some progress being made.
I have to wake up in 5 hours for a 15-16 hour shift
Yikes, that's absolutely brutal. I complain about 12 hour shifts sometimes, but at least I've never had to work that much at once. Hang in there!
I really like #814 from Banana. Feels like she wrote it herself from a town perspective. Gives me good vibes.
You were not in the game yourself, but in case you didn't check the endgame thread, your Deltarune game got a shout-out.
I know, I read the whole thing. I did like the way you repurposed my Dreaming God
It came off more as a defense of herself than a defense of Thoth.
Okay, but from where I'm standing, that doesn't exactly improve the case for her actually being town.
I could possibly get behind an Alyssa lynch, but with three scummates talking in his ear, it's harder for me to believe Kohai would have a lackluster fake claim. If you were on his scum team, wouldn't nailing down his fake claim be the first thing you'd do? You'd know he would almost certainly be pressured for a claim DP1, and it would have to look good.
I agree with this. In fact, while I was at first sus of him, Kohai is actually one of my top townreads right now. I started to change my mind when I read your earlier post about him having "quick lynch ptsd". I actually did read through DC Players Mafia (partially because I wanted to see if I'd be included or claimed as a player to sate my ego, partially because it was short enough to read casually), and honestly, Kohai's quick claim feels a lot more like him trying to avoid a repeat of that than him just trying to deflect suspicion as scum. His posts tonight have also felt really towny to me. Plus, there's the fact that a drunk scum player would probably be transparently scummy, I feel.
So your even/odd argument holds no weight
This is such a stupid-ass thing to say. That's not how strategy works. You do what works best on average, taking all information into account. The fact that there are other possibilities isn't the point.
I'm clueless as to why Alyssa mounted that defense, but it also doesn't make sense to me as something she would say as scum. If she's scum and you're town, she knows she doesn't have to worry that you flipping scum would implicate her. If you're both scum she'd never say something so transparent and susworthy
Coming back to this - I do actually agree with the last sentence here. I think it's unlikely that Alyssa would tie herself to Thoth in such a conspicuous way if they were both scum, especially since Thoth was the center of negative attention.
Behaviorally, I still don't like either of them, and I'd be surprised if they were both town. But I'd also be surprised if they were both scum.
Casey - Primarily gut read combined with the fact that I feel like she hasn’t done anything to progress the game. She joined the Thoth wagon and then the mini wagon on VTNL
I don't think I ever actually voted for Thoth, I just agreed he was sus.
I meant what if there’s a Vig shot or another killing mechanism in future nights/days, we’d be back to odd even if we lynch someone here.
Technically true, but that's always a possibility anyway. So what?
I'm clueless as to why Alyssa mounted that defense, but it also doesn't make sense to me as something she would say as scum. If she's scum and you're town, she knows she doesn't have to worry that you flipping scum would implicate her.
No, but it doesn't mean she wasn't trying defend a known town (or at least non-scum) player for potential town cred.
Just for NP1. What about the future?
I never once suggested that we VTNL on any future days. I'm sorry that you lack reading comprehension.
Assuming everyone’s Pr doesn’t click in until they are recruited what information do we get when more than half our PRs are unable to act
Not everyone can, sure, but we still get info from the ones that can. At least Helz and Thoth don't need to be recruited.
Though I have to admit, it was only after reading this that I realized that both guilds would probably choose to recruit over using abilities, which does change my analysis a little bit. I still think it might be better to stay on odds, but I guess I'm a little less opposed to going for a lynch today.
