#336: FUCK I TRIED TO DRAW A PICTURE
For reference
So, I haven't had a reason to scumread him yet, which makes me inclined to believe that this silencer thing is real. But I also know of only two games in the past where an allegedly silenced player was still able to communicate to an extent like this, and in both cases, they were actually just scum and weren't silenced at all. So that makes me inclined to update my read on Mestari. The only problem with the scum Mestari theory being: why pretend to be silenced now? It doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me. But then again, neither does a silencer where the silenced can still use cryptography like this and make posts where they don't even actually vote.
How is Pie in your POE?
I actually just straight up forgot to remove him from the list LMAO
My initial assumption was that I was injured by town
Injured by scum
EBWOP
Regarding #318: Yeah that's pretty much it, as far as I can tell.
Why do you think there was no NK tonight?
Now, this is an interesting question. My initial assumption was that I was injured by town, and my working theory was that they thought I would likely be absent this DP as well, with their goal being to cause confusion among the town over the lack of a night kill and hopefully get them to lynch me for inactivity, ultimately confusing the town and making them waste time and waste a lynch.
That's still possible, but I'm inclined to believe Magicman when he says that my injury came from the town. It would make sense of why there are two different delayed kill mechanics in this game that are exactly the same in everything except name. And in a game this big, it would hardly be surprising for there to be a town killing role.
But that does make the lack of an NK puzzling. It could be a WIFOM thing - as the Doctor, do you protect the obvious NK target or someone else because the Mafia will know the obvious target will likely be protected? That sort of WIFOM reasoning also applies in reverse to the Mafia. Maybe they gambled and lost.
I can think of one more explanation for the lack of an NK, but it's the sort of speculation that might be anti-town to say publicly.
Luna's ability allows him to see if his target visits someone or not, that's it. Your ability lets you see if someone attempts to visit someone? So if they were roleblocked, for instance, Lunatic would see nothing, but you would see they attempted to use an action? But then how is this different from Helz, who can also detect success/fail?
It's a moot point anyway since Vader is almost definitely not going to protect me tonight, but basically, there's a distinction between night actions that involve movement and night actions where the user doesn't move. What exactly determines which category a night action falls into is something that Mikal wouldn't elaborate on, but it's there. Luna's ability could see whether or not someone moved. My ability can see whether or not someone attempted to use any kind of action. And Helz's ability could see whether or not someone attempted to use any kind of action and whether or not they were actually successful.
To be clear, I think that including three nearly identical roles like that is terrible game design bordering on bastard, and I don't blame you for being sus of me. And it's all kind of a moot point anyway because I'm already dead regardless, but if you want the explanation, there it is.
Sorry if you claimed this, but who did you target
No one. I never had the opportunity to target anyone because I was never recruited. Did you honestly expect I would have been recruited?
This silencer thing is giving me Mayday Mafia flashbacks... Anyone else recall?
Kohai
5.iLikePie5
7.Shining
9.Awesome
11.MagicMan
This is basically my PoE pool. Mharman slightly townier than the rest. Will answer other qs when I get home
Working on it, I'm at the tail end of my shift and have some stuff to finish up. I'll post my reads when I get home.
Okay, I just talked with Mikal and I think I understand what's going on. Mikal is one of those mods who distinguishes between a visiting role and a non-visiting role.
Eye of the beast (Luna) - can see whether or not someone moves
Observe (me) - can see whether or not someone attempts to use any action, but I don't learn if it's successful or not
Goggles (Helz) - can see whether or not someone uses any action and whether or not it's successful
Some absolutely insane game design here but that's how it works ig
Oh nvm I see how to bold stuff now
**testing if bolding still works**
I am not sure how I feel about this change...
I am not sure how I feel about this change...
No one even has a role name.
I do, I'm the silent observer and my ability is called Observe
And why name is Evader instead of Avoider
Because everything is custom
Literally no one said “evade” the shift key like the plague.
Everyone says “avoid” the shift key like the plague
Banana herself said "avoid the shift key" tho. It's just that her role itself is called Evader. Which is different from the standard Avoider, but so far, everyone's role name is different from the standard. So I don't see this as a point against her.
I do, and tbh I am equally confused. I think I may be misunderstanding my actual role. Either that, or I'm going to have to take back what I said about Mikal not being a bastard mod. Waiting on feedback from him.
That's literally not how they are described
Advanced Googles - pick a target, learn if they target someone and if their action succeeded
It doesn't say he learns who they targeted
My ability is that once a night, I can target someone to see if they used an action or not, but I don't learn what type or who they used it on.”
”Eyes of the beast - target a player and see if that player visited anyone.”
Helz's goggles apparently did the exact same thing, so there's clearly some level of intentional redundancy going on. Idk what else to say, Mikal designed this game weird
What does an Evader do?
All I'll say for now is that it doesn't make much sense for you to vote for me today since I'm going to die anyway. If you don't trust me, just don't heal me tonight. If I'm alive tomorrow, lynch me then.
Can you full claim, Casey?
Actually, I'd be glad to. I'm myself. I am the silent observer, the one who speaks little but is always observing. My ability is that once a night, I can target someone to see if they used an action or not, but I don't learn what type or who they used it on. Makes me sus of Shining as well since we both have roles that mention us being the silent type. Granted, it is true of him as well, even more so I'd say, but it also doesn't make sense to me. My own card does make sense to me.
He says his justification is that he is a silent type with a strong desire to win.
Yeah, I hate that justification.
Literally the only thing I know about that is that I have been injured and that I will die at the end of the next night.
I'm just on my break right now and don't have time to read through 47 pages just yet, can I have the TLDR for why everyone is sus of Shining in particular?
