Helz

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 9:37 PM (post #295)

if you don't hammer before I wake up to go to work tomorrow I'm just going to get myself mod killed and give scum the game. or self vote either way same result.

Thats really ugly as any alignment. You are better than that. I do not understand your urgency. Tell me you have a dying great grandma or some shit and want to get out of the game and I will consider rushing while also poking for replacements but why the fuck would you threaten to gamethrow if you do not get the game resolved fast?

A lot depends on what I get into with Rex and I do not intend to just vote first thing in the morning unless I am comfortable we have taken Lylo as close to a place of resolution as we can get it. The game pivots on this day. Its the one day to take your time with and I do not understand your behavior. At this point its not even scummy its just absurd.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 9:33 PM (post #293)

What is your rush? For real. Its getting to a point that while it was scummy initially now it makes no sense. Almost like a Jester play or something.

name one good reason to extend a dp after you caught scum and got everything possible from it?

I will give you 5.

While I am confident you are scum I need to draw a harder conclusion on Mag.

I feel like you are rushing the game to prevent me from finding something so I am hunting for what that could be.

I want to interact more with Rex and they also have a life and were busy today

I want my own time to Iso each player and do something with information that is rather time consuming. I will not use AI or any bullshit with games but I am perfectly capable of playing with information myself in useful ways.

There is no reason to end the day early. You use the rhetoric 'extend' like the day is not already suppose to be 72 hours as you want to chop the day in the first 24.

How about you give me 1 good reason why we should hammer the day right now? What benefit is there to that? Because I can see a lot of loss and the person arguing to do it is my top scum read who probably slipped with their role claim.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 9:30 PM (post #290)

can we get the flip before I go to sleep tonight. for the love of God people

I will flatly say I have no intention of voting tonight. If everyone votes and makes me the king maker I still want to wake up with a clear mind tomorrow and reconsider options. I find I do my best intellectual work shortly after I wake up.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 9:29 PM (post #289)

kindly hurry the fuck up.

What is your rush? For real. Its getting to a point that while it was scummy initially now it makes no sense. Almost like a Jester play or something.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/10/2026 at 9:08 PM (post #286)

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 9:49 PM (post #281)

I have played in lots of lunatics games over a course of a decade and understand how he normally builds them, how he utilizes PGOs etc, and so they way you described the role I felt was a much stronger indicator of alignment than the earlier things that made me think the opposite.

Speaking of the PGO, I just asked Lunatic what would happen if a bus driver would visit a PGO (target the PGO and another player to switch them) and if the busdriver using his role on the PGO would count as a visit and he said that he wouldn't answer questions about 'hypothetical roles'.

Yeah, I got similar answers to a number of questions I asked. I think they will only answer direct questions about your own role or revealed roles.

I could ask that question myself but I feel it would be an angleshooty way of me host confirming myself. That stuff is uncomfortable as a host when they are put in a position that can shift the outcome of the game.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 8:50 PM (post #282)

I explained. now you explain why you have been avoiding hammering scum.

I want to dig more is why.

Even if you had nothing more to say as town I would expect you to kick your feet up and chill. Not rage at people and shove them to act right now. That makes no sense for town unless you very specifically do not want people digging. Which is part of why I am being so through. I think there is something in this game you do not want me to find and I want to find it. I have re-read the thread already but I intend to crawl through each interaction and turn over every thing I can think of to understand what it is that you do not want us to see.

The more you push me to act right now the more I feel there is 'something' you want to not be talked about. There is just zero reason for your behavior as town even if I ignored the fact you could not even remember your claim which was pretty funny. Only time I have seen town do that was with a guy who was playing multiple games at once and he confused his games. I have seen scum slip on their fake claim. Even trapped one with it once upon a time arguing details of a claim they did not make that they then made up justification for and I closed the trap pointing out they had claimed something else. You just slipped there imo.

So what I was touching was this-

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/9/2026 at 11:27 AM (post #10)

also pie seemed semi sus of helz last dp, worth noting. not sure if he was killed for who he sussed or if they were pr hunting tho

Not a big deal but I did specifically note that they claimed Pie suspected me D2. They actually seem to have not done so the entire game and defended me D2 with the amusing bit that they suspected Banana and yourself.

Then shortly after they revealed that you reveal having a peek that saw Pie target me D2. Thats where it looks like TMI. Given that there was no in game reason to view Pie as suspecting me. Certainly not in D2 but also not even in D1, But they seem to have reason to believe that Pie did suspect me. Which would make sense if you had some kinda mafia tracking function and shared the knowledge in a group chat making it TMI. That is nothing solid but it is something of note. I am more bothered that its been like pulling teeth to even get people to glance at it and say "Yup, Pie did in fact never say anything of the sort" or Banana just saying "Oh, I was wrong." Its invalidation calling what I saw there unreasonable instead of saying its a simple point of note that has implications on pairing and intention.

Something on you that also pinged me was how your first post today you say I am flatly town, then you turned hard on me. You had Banana as "Different" which I will avoid making assumptions on but the confidence level you have in their alignment seems out of place and I am still asking for the reasoning. To be fair its less to sort them and more me just trying to get you to explain something I honestly do not think you can justify because you have no reasons and want to shut out chat before people recognize your reads are not reads.

Why do you take their role claim for granted? It looks overcrowded for PR's with a flipped Doc+BD+Alignment Cop+RB before even considering the claims.

Sure they could have made a 'different fake claim' but we could WIFOM that all day. Going direct 1v1 would be open confrontation and it does not seem like Wylted handles that well. Any thoughts on them forgetting their own role name and openly admitting they do not consider the other role they claimed to do the same thing they do? Seems like something that you would not forget. Would be a smudge below forgetting your alignment.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 7:45 PM (post #270)

any new developments or is Rex and Helz still wafflin

Took my mom to a steak house. Not a waffle house. I would never subject her to that : )

Rex has not returned yet. They said they had shit to do and would revisit things this evening. I actually have not dived back into what I was doing for this game. Been interacting while managing emails and phone calls for work before diving in. But you should shove Wylted to say what they got to say. Its really fucking weird for them to want to not voice their thoughts until twilight. There is no town reason to do that in Lylo.

Look, I have an entire life and after spending a good chunk of today focused on this game I took my mom to a late lunch. I am not trying to drag the game out and I really do feel like you are just shoving the game as scum. The fact you even feel 24 hours in a 72 hour day cycle is unreasonable is pretty silly.

There is still plenty I want to do. And really I would have had more time if you did not stomp on the game super early D2. But why the hell wait for twilight? You are literally saying you wont reveal your thoughts until after a hammer? That looks so scummy to me. I am going to take as long as I damn well please figuring out the game in Lylo. Nothing you say will change that so you may as well give your own thoughts and argue your position. You still have not clarified what your entire case is btw.

Well I was not in last game. I did not go back and read it.

So which of us is scum and which of us is town, and why?

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 5:50 PM (post #262)

whichever one of you is town, you know the other is just waiting to see if you vote for somebody other than mago so they can quick hammer. it's a terrible scum strategy because they have no defense for why they were off an obvious lynch, but that's the strategy. we have extended this DP 24 hours after we knew who scum was and have received zero new information at all. if you are scum stop using shit strategy and if you are town then seal the deal so we can get to the next dp

Interesting. So you are convinced that one of us is town and one of us is scum. What is it that makes you think that? Which of us do you think is scum or town?

Assuming that you are locked in with Mag as scum this would also suggest that you hard town read Banana. What gives you that impression?

Assuming Mag as scum as a potential would a scum role cop make sense? It does not counter a lot of other critical functions town has. Or would Luna just throw a Soldier into the game without scum having any way of identifying they exist? I guess the site has a whole claim meta that counters it but its still a rough situation for them to be in dealing with a Soldier. I agree that if I was scum and that popped up I would be doing everything possible to eliminate them out of obligation. I think thats not the case as much right now given unless Banana lied about their role there is nothing town can do about a kill. So scum gunning for the lynch on Mag makes sense yet its not as critical with BD/RB/Doc all dead. And that is assuming that a scum gets lynched today and they are forced to deal with a D4. I very much doubt the lynch is going to be outside of Mag/Wylted today. We are kinda hard set there with the vote patterns at the very least.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/10/2026 at 2:47 PM (post #256)

If Magoroth is town it's worth taking into account that after he claimed soldier scum would be deadset on lynching him this DP. Because he's a good mislynch target but you can't take him to endgame because it would restrict your mislynch options to having to mislynch him - for example, if they brought you and I to endgame, they could convince me to vote you or your to vote me and clinch the game. If they brough me and mago to endgame, they would have to convince me to vote Mago. Because if they lynch me mago still wins. It means you have to NK Mago or have a much much harder final MYLO.

Yeah, That makes sense. I have a personal dislike for Soldier as a role without scum having a counter that grabs roles. Which is something I have been chewing on for a bit. Exactly what could the Mafia team have?

N1 I question existence of a strongman with the expectation of potential kill blocks. Generally a kill block and a check are standard in a game and going for WF N1 is a real dice toss that I called out. That was just ballzy. And even looking at the claimed roles I am questioning what could exist to counter all of this. Town has a number of roles that can nerf the town but specifically BD and Myself are two roles that are super super swingy. Either role wrecks the town or wrecks the scum. Assuming Wylted is scum Doc + BD + RB + Alignment Cop + Vet is still pretty wild. They would have to have some sorta commuting function level of PR to counter. But like.. What could they even have that makes this fit? I do not see a Tracker fitting at all but even assuming that is just a scum claim I still feel like its super powerful. What would Wylted + ??? be to counter that line up?

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/10/2026 at 2:08 PM (post #252)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 2:58 PM (post #249)

I think Wylted is just cutting to personal attacks instead of addressing in game points because they are scum and do not have a good argument to wriggle out of the situation they are in.

This is 100% the impression I'm getting and it's why I think he and Mago might be scum together. If Mago is scum, turbolynching him still means we have to find the last scum next DP. If you're town, you want as much to look back on as possible, not three truncated DPs with very little info in them. If you are the last scum and are bussing though, well that's the situation you want to DP to end ASAP in.

Yeah. I am kinda in a situation in my head. Like positionally Mag / Wylted makes sense for mech and gameplay independently but the way they fight in the thread is hard for me to get past.

I see Banana as having a potentially coordinated push with Wylted. I see some mutual defense of etchother there with Wylted hard pushing to ignore my concerns on that situation which is either aligned or painting banana in a very clever way. Then Banana took quite a bit of time to look at what I said and basically turned around saying "Yeah, Pie just had you as neutral so you are the next inline behind scum reads" as opposed to "Oh, I was totally wrong and assumed something that did not exist." That as a reaction has me.

Then there is Mag. Flops claims after lurking through D1 and justifies it as wanting to survive until the end game as a role focus. I have really never seen that from them. They could be in a mountainous game (One where its all citizens with 1 cop) and be the alignment cop and they still go ham on everyone in day chat. I do not know if I have ever seen them alter their play just to preserve a role. Its also an odd bet to expect to be the last town standing. I just had that role a few games ago here and I basically discounted it as a cool thing to look at if we got to LYLO but not worth changing anything I did.

Im still seeing Wryly as scum in just about every world but a little lost past that. I will repeat myself again saying its batshit crazy for someone to claim a role that they think does something different than their role and then confuse it later. Thats huge imo before looking at the hostile avoidance of productive conversation. After that though? D4 is gona be a mess.

Also for reference on my role. I softed it in a few places. Off the top of my head grabbing posts for reference-

This is my D1 read wall and what I said about Rex (post 222)

Rex feels a bit paranoid looking at their 128 wall. Seems like almost everyone is either neutral or scum and I am not even sure what to think of their take on Wylted there. Comes with zero reasoning which does nothing to help me understand what they are looking at or why they feel the way they do but while I think I was their only town lean I specifically was looking at that as I skimmed them. Not seeing much to change my view and found it slightly odd everyone just obsessed about the miller claim and did not really examine their positions.

On that miller claim, Something I have wondered is if a town BD and a town Miller could exist in such a small game. They are 2 separate utilities that effectively nerf town suggesting we must have a very OP town behind it or simply that one of the two is scum. Something to consider.

I did follow their takes and felt they had a ton of neutral / scum reads. But I also felt their miller claim overcrowded negative utility with a BD claim given I am also potentially damaging to town. I feel like this should be pretty clearly pointing to the fact I am not faking my claim.

This is D2 post 28 where I insinuate PGO/Vet is in the game. This was intentional and I get how Banana saw it as out of place but its simply because I am that role and wanted to reference it.

Like, they were obviously outing themselves to the point I would have been paranoid that they were a vet/pgo or something if I was scum. The scum taking that kill shows either ignorance on their part reading players as well as reading the collective opinion of the town or it suggest they had some way to ensure their move went through.

To over explain I also hated how little time I had D1 and I would typically bait a hit on me D1 going absurd town and making myself look like some kinda critical PR to get scum to hit me. I did not have the time to do so and I generally dislike not making the plays I feel are optimal. Feels fucking great being a vet and baiting a scum to hit you and I did not even get to try. Decided no action was the better play given I saw myself as not highly town read.

Both of these posts clearly point to my claim being legit. Wylted arguing I am faking a claim is just wrong. Another point I would mention for my defense is how I interacted with Wryly EOD 2. I was pushing them for reads and getting more interaction from them in twilight. There is zero reason to do that as scum. As town it either creates content from a flipped scum to hunt with or it gives post flip confirmed reads from a town. As scum it would just be an awful play. Although I will admit I was doing it assuming they would flip scum and I was just wrong. But anyone digging into me can see the logic I had there.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/10/2026 at 12:09 PM (post #183)

Link to whatever post you covered this in with the relevant quotes or succinctly summarize it. You've posted like a billion walls of text and I want to reference it as I dive into Banana/Wylted.

Well to be clear there is this post (#53 today)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/9/2026 at 6:17 PM (post #53)

A few things pretty quick-

For starters I am Stanley Ipkiss from The Mask. I am a PGO. Thought about lying about that right now but I won't specifically because it may be useful to solve. I softed this in multiple posts pointing out PGO's potential existence as well pointing doubt at a Miller+ a Bus Driver given I also have a potentially negative utility.

For Flavor "The Grinch" feels out of place. Seems like an evil character claim. But if Rex was scum I am not sure why they would claim that. That and the overcrowded negitive utility set are my main concerns. I dislike that they were basically given a full pass this game but they have not pinged me in any substantial way from memory.

Banana bothers me in their claim. They are the only citizen? Every single other player seems to have some function or modifier and they just do nothing? Its strikes me as very odd.

I will also say with Banana their argument that Pie suspected me D2 could be a TMI slip. Look through Pie's ISO- https://www.debatecraft.com/users/ILikePie5/mafia-comments

Some highlights to note (In reverse order)-

Simple POE says Wryly and/or Wylted. Lean Wryly cause she feels different. The push on the inactive is different from her past behavior if I remember correctly. She also seemed wayyyy too okay with lynching Thoth. Almost like an “oh well,” vs if she thought he was town, she’d be defending him.

Pushes a sus on Wylted

Vibes from Wryly have been off all game. She just feels different.

Also pushes Wryly

As much as I disagree with Helz here, I don’t think it’s scummy. His play would be far less erratic imo. Theres no need for him to be erratic here as scum. He’s a very calculated individual. This may be an act, but it’s a very risky act if he were scum

Defends me

I don’t think it’s TMI. Different people can read the same thing and come to different conclusions

Also defends me (asked if my view of WF being a PR was TMI)

And I do want to unpack this argument. To begin with how the fuck would I have TMI that WF was a PR N1? Think that through. I would have to be some kinda scum with a N0 role cop check on a player for it to even be TMI to begin with.

Pie did before this push against my feeling that what Wryly said was out of line. This is the one even opposed argument Pie had with me on D2 that could justify Bananas argument of Pie suspecting me in the slightest.

Nowhere in D2 do they even slightly suspect me. They even actually defended me to the point when I saw their flip I figured they may have actually checked me D1. But then (Important timeline) AFTER Banana made this claim Wylted reveals they saw Pie check me. This is pretty substantial in my mind. Looking at chat an uninformed Banana would have not known that and there is nothing in the chat the even slightly suggests they suspected me that I saw. This is also after a pattern of what I feel like is them painting me D2 on recognizing Whiteflames first post softed a PR. I still feel its very blatant although I get some people seemed to think I was talking about their second post instead of post #2 in the thread.

But to be clear unless Banana has a chat with Wylted their insinuation that Pie suspected me D2 makes absolutely zero sense looking at the chat. This very much does look like TMI to me but would make the team exactly Wylted+Banana if this is a hard slip and their role claim is both a convenient one for scum as well as being out of place for what we now know to exist. Or Banana is just making things up. Had they read Pie's ISO they would literally have been pushing Wylted instead of me right now.

I would like to see a read wall from Mag. The fake claim thing I sorta get. If they have that flavor it makes sense to say BP as a claim hiding soldier to fit flavor even if I dislike the lack of thought given. I would expect if someone crafted their entire world view and decided to intentionally lurk to hide their role and survive they would have taken the time to make a fake claim. Now that the jig is up and thats out the window (if they are town) I want to see more from them. We are in Lylo and I do not have clarity on their position past the 1v1 they are pushing. They did make a good point on the lack of hammer. It demands that its at least WvT between the two of them given scum would have hammered if that was TvT. That is something we should take as a mechanical confirmed aspect. There pretty much has to be 1 scum between Mag and Wryly. I suppose its possible for it to be WvW but that would be pretty wild.

I will again state my day today is pretty busy but I will be around tomorrow quite a bit if people want direct interaction. I will also restate that I feel everyone should re-read Pie's ISO and consider the position Banana took as well as the claim Wylted made.

I very clearly quote Pies posts as well as even give a link to Pie's ISO voicing its a super quick easy read and reflects that Banana's position that Pie suspected me D2 is not reflected at all in day chat.

I also went back again and referenced Pies D1 reads just to check if maybe they got their days confused and Pie did suspect me at some point but not in D2. I could understand that but it is also not the case. I spoke about that here in this post D3 #147

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 9:55 AM (post #147)

I can not think of a world where Wylted is not scum. I get them having some super insane dedication to a site meta of a role. The confidence they are voicing is very off and its even more troubling that they are shoving people over and over to vote right now like they do not want people to sit down and talk about the game.

Their avoidance of my point on banana is also of note. Just flatly saying "Its not worth talking about" and utterly ignoring that at no point D2 did Pie suspect me at all. They only had 1 take that disagreed with me as they flatly said they did not think it was scummy. The extent they defended me very much made me assume they had checked me.

It really looks like a S! Banana and S! Wylted came up with a plan N2 and screwed up the order of it. Banana made points that were not possible without Wylteds claim first which is easy to see just looking at Pie's ISO. Now when its called out we have Wylted shoving everyone to speed vote and just ignore that. Not a good look. I would have expected any arrangement of TvW or TvT between Wylted and Banana to have a different reaction by Wylted.

That D2 hammer also looked bad for Wylted. Totally unnecessary.

Going back through the game this post from Pie is also of note-

Vibes based reads based on flow of what I’ve read (still depressed)

WF and REF are lean town.

Wylted, Mago, Helz are null

Wryly and Banana are tilt scum

Thoth is lean scum

Im going to take some time to go through everyone more but will be around. I am not sure if I will be voting outside of Wryly. Their position on me is just wrong, their constantly shoving people to vote right now and shutting down D2 before we could talk is awful, and their behavior on Banana is either TMI as a wolf or protecting their partner.

If they are not paired with Banana it gets interesting. A Rex pair does not make sense given Rex did not hammer Mag. And a Mag pair would mean its another wild ass bus situation but their interaction in the thread did not look at all like a puppet show. They looked genuinely pissed off at etchother to the point I have trouble seeing it.

I am bolding the relevant parts to save you some time but yes- I have been hitting on this point pretty hard. I can grab a number of additional posts from my own ISO if needed to where else I just shove people to read Pie's ISO and acknowledge what I am seeing if needed but I feel like I am beating a dead horse there.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 1:53 PM (post #247)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 20:51 (post #246)

Lets keep it civil. I do not want to deal with a flame war.

Fair, but it’s kinda hard from my side unless I literally ignore everything Wylted says and just talk to Banana/Rex/you

Oh, I do get it. Trust me I am not happy about being called a retard and told I do not know what can exist in Mafia. There are very few things I think I am absurdly experienced in and Mafia is one of them. But I would rather have fun with people than get hostile and I get vicariously uncomfortable seeing other people have a bad time.

I think Wylted is just cutting to personal attacks instead of addressing in game points because they are scum and do not have a good argument to wriggle out of the situation they are in.

Anways. Rex, let me know if you have specific questions. I think I need to cut back to doing a hard ISO of Banana, Mag, and you. I do not see much progress happening interacting with Wylted although that role name slip I feel is pretty substantial. People do not just confuse their role with something they believe does a totally different function.

Lets keep it civil. I do not want to deal with a flame war.

Like, Think about this. If Wylted truly believes that Watcher and Tracker do different things thats a weird thing to screw up. If they had believed both do the same thing with different names I could see it.

Like I have referred to myself as PGO and Veteran. In my experience they are just different names with the same function. But if I thought a PGO was different from a veteran it would be weird as fuck for me to confuse the two in a role claim unless I was just making things up. This looks like a legit slip and an indicator of a fake claim.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 1:41 PM (post #233)

helz, watcher and tracker is two different roles. track follows somebody to see who they visit. watcher watches somebody to see who visited them.

yes I mixed up the names because I closely associate them but it doesn't have the same function

No. Depending on the site all the roles I mentioned have different functions. I have played games where a watcher sees who visited and games where they see who that person visited. Tracker I think I have only seen follow who a person visited. Detective / Stalker / Scout I have all seen go both ways. Lookout has always exclusively seen who visits someone.

Not that any of that matters but I am more critical that you are in this post voicing that Watcher does not do what Tracker does and you called yourself the wrong role. So you claimed something that does something different than what you did in your head- that is not a mistake I expect someone to have. If you personally believe a Watcher is not a tracker and they do different things why on earth did you claim tracker? It looks like you just slipped.

I would imagine most scum would not want to 1v1 me in a Lylo. But also if I were to fake claim as scum with a result I would not be the one to go for. Claiming a dead player visiting me is much safer than claiming I visited someone given they did not know I could visit.

Its also of note their only result is on a dead player. They do not have a single result this game anyone can confirm and say "Yes, they saw me visiting this person and I did that" to confirm their role. They have a dead player role blocking them then a dead player they saw move? The odds of that itself is low which is scummy in itself.

Every player that could substantiate their night actions is dead and again- We should consider the balance of just a Doctor + Alignment cop + Tracker. That itself is a lot before even considering that Wryly seems to have trouble remembering the name of their role.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 1:29 PM (post #228)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 12:27 PM (post #224)

Functionally while the same thing it kinda looks like you can not keep the name of your role straight.

why does he not just a fake a guilty or implicating result in lylo if he’s lying?

Yeah, its a good question. They piled on to the FOS you made that Pie suspected me but they could have hard claimed they saw me kill or something. Would have made a hard 1v1 which is more difficult to deal with as scum than a FOS indicator throwing shade but it is an option they could have gone with.

It is interesting they said the wrong name for their role though. Thats a weird thing to screw up. Tracker / Watcher / Detective / Lookout / Scout / Stalker are all names for the function. But it is of note they screwed up what their role is just now which is certainly more in line for someone making a fake claim.

Functionally while the same thing it kinda looks like you can not keep the name of your role straight.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/9/2026 at 12:38 PM (post #17)

I am watcher and the character is the truman show because truman figured out he was in a fake reality by tracking the cars going around the neighborhood.

I popcorn to helz since pie suspected him.

how do I know this. I tracked pie to Helz in np2

np1 I tracked was blocked by whiteflame but tried to track rex

Yeah. The exact post

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 1:19 PM (post #219)

I'm a tracker genius

Pretty sure you claimed watcher. Let me check.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 1:13 PM (post #217)

If its so obvious why not break it down Barny style for us retards in the game?

I think I already made my points. if you want I can have chat GPT read the thread and condess them into a single post

Do you really think I have not read every single one of your posts multiple times at this point?

No thank you, I do not want to play with a clanker. I would actually like to see a hard rule that AI is not allowed in mafia games personally but thats because I enjoy playing with people.

I am going to say that you have very poorly made your position and you can keep screaming that you are right or you can actually argue your position. I think you do not want to argue your position because you know it could reveal you. It would just be a really easy win if everyone shut their brain off and voted your way. But you are not making a case. I am digging into mech and going through players calling things out. You are just saying "I am right, stop talking and do my thing" which I feel is an intention indicator. Feel free to explain yourself but no- I absolutely do not want to have any AI in my human behavioral analysis game in any way.

So another productive line to dive into more- Mech

The claims. We have not really unpacked how the pieces fit.

Confirmed-

Doctor, Roleblocker, Bus Driver, Alignment Cop

Claimed-

Soldier, Watcher, Citizen, Veteran, Miller

BD is super powerful. Doc counters the kill while RB counters the non-kill. Alignment cop checks out. But thats pretty strong. So for each one individually-

Citizen- Out of place for every other person having a PR or modifier but neutral for balance.

Soldier- Hard buff to town but with the specific requirement to be the last one alive

Miller- Hard nerf to town countering the Alignment cop, slightly makes room for Watcher

Veteran- Swingy. Potentially super damaging or powerful but hard skill based role

Watcher- Hard buff to town in an already powerful town. I feel its unlikely given it basically makes a 9p game have a 22% chance every single night to nail scum. The alignment cop gets a guilty or the watcher sees the kill. Thats fucking massive and I would like people to really think about that. Scum could at best win D3. That means a minimum of 2 nights with a mech guilty + a potential kill block forcing a D4 and a chance of getting killed on their targeting.

By mech these pieces do not fit. Watcher as a claim does not make sense in this game with what we know to exist. Just Watcher + Doctor + Alignment cop itself is insane in such a small game before considering other roles and even including potential town nerfs like the miller/BD. And the BD itself is insanely powerful late game.

I hope you can all read these words and understand why by mech I feel Wylted is simply scum before I even talk about their wild play.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 12:59 PM (post #209)

the argument for rex being scum here is that it's so obvious mago is scum and he is just sitting back hoping helz votes wrong. he is most likely town but I could see rex doing that

Please make a case with reasoning and stop repeating that you have this stance and people should stop talking and follow your position. Its so obvious yet you seem incapable of explaining your takes as you just repeat you are totally certain.

If its so obvious why not break it down Barny style for us retards in the game?