Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 12:27 PM (post #201)
So yeah I think banana wylted is simplest and if its either rex or helz GG what can I say, please hammer so whoever is Town in the ppl voting me can look really stupud, hopefully wylted
You are discounting both me and Rex as potentials now? I get Rex coulda hammered you but I should be at least a question in your head.
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 12:54 PM (post #207)
he has u in his null reads the only scum reads he has as me and wryly, we all know wryly was town and I know im town, so one of three people in his null reads are the next likely candidates and explain why u were visited by him.
i dont think him defending u one time was enough to say he town read u. but I dont understand how that is tmi either, plus u keep arguing this as if it was the most salient point i made. u are hyper focusing on something i mentioned that i didnt put a ton of thought into and was barely worth mentioning at all, and focusing that 10xs over any other points ive made.
im not gonna argue with u just to argue, but if u think that weak point is enough to convince Rex u do u
No. I do not think that. And I agree its not even a major point. Its just one I have made over and over and this is the first post engaging with it. You do recognize why I saw your position that Pie suspected me D2 as sus reading it now. And you must understand how Wylted doubling down with it on a check with a PR claim that overcrowds the town power roles looks the way it does to me. These things in combination are a problem in my head.
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 12:23 PM (post #197)
if u think Wylted is scum u pretty much have to think i am scum with him, its the only way that a quick hammer hasn’t happened yet. there’s not really use if convincing me of that cuz i know im town so i dont know how to respond to that. ur only bet with me would be to convince me that Rex is scum because we can safely cross off a mag/Wylted scum team. if you aren’t trying to convince me of Rex i dont see the point to any of this back and forth, because it has to be you or Rex from where im sitting
I figure if Rex is scum we just loose. Every situation I look at goes that way. I am not happy about it. I am still uncomfortable with the amount of negitive utility in the game with their miller claim, the RB that can not stop the kill (making it more anti-town), The BD that can be super super OP dominating the scum or really screw over the town, then me if I chose to alert I could have killed town all over the place unless I claimed instantly.
For my personal thought process withholding that info gave me options to hero kill in the late game. Almost made me want to lie or just refuse the claim today but I figured it helps solve and we are hurting for interaction. But thats pretty much my only concern on Rex. Everything else they have done is reasonable which places me in this position of You/Wylted or Mag/Wylted. But in every world I look at Wylted has to be scum. I do not know if I could shift my view from that. I probably could rethink Rex but it would require Rex/Mag which is an entire separate consideration.
Like Wylted + Mag makes the most sense to me but they also look so unaligned. Then there is still the point I would like you to engauge on of why you thought Pie suspected me D2 given their posts. If you are scum I just caught you in a TMI there. If you are town you should easily recognize that what I am looking at is beyond reasonable. Pie did nothing but defend me D2 even as they disagreed with one of my takes. Even D1 they just had me as null. I do not understand where your position is coming from and its hard shade at the start of the day suggesting Pie suspected me. Then Wryly came in and doubled down on it claiming a check. And on that is a Watcher + a Sheriff + a RB + a BD + a Doctor + a Vet even possible in a game this size? Thats fucking nuts. It does not make sense to me mechanically and we should really talk about the mech fit of the claims.
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 12:04 PM (post #179)
Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 10:57 AM (post #174)
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:49 AM (post #170)
i get that you want me to engage with the pie tmi but i think your putting way too much weight on it. it doesn't change the bigger picture of why poe points to you and mago. rex's claim is stronger, mago fits the scum slot, and you had the chance to hammer mago but didnt.
i'm not saying you cant be town, but ur asking rex to ignore a pretty straightforward solve without really giving a reason to do so. i'm open to being wrong, but i need more than just another argument about how nobody is engaging with you.
So to be clear its less that I am putting a ton of weight on it and more that I keep bringing it up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over-
Because nobody will fucking look at it and even consider it. Lol. Thats nuts. You guys can not all be scum. What the fuck.. How is it that I have made such a blatantly clear point and nobody even looks at it or talks about it? Why have we not looked at the mech breakdown of what roles fit? Why are we just going back and fourth as I am screaming at the town to just engage and do a tiny bit of sorting? I am uncomfortable with this gamestate. I do think Wylted is just lock scum and I am pretty lost as far as the other outside of that one indicator that you may be their partner. And nobody even wants to spend 3 minutes to look at it and acknowledge that its a point.
To be clear- Not a single person in this game has looked at Pie's ISO and said my point is reasonable. Or unreasonable. Or that I am flatly lying. Or anything. What the fuck? We are in Lylo. You can not all be scum. Why is nobody even bothering to look at these critical details?
if I have a specific point u want me to read and respond to in regards to pie, tag me specifically and ask me. u r kind of a long winded rant style poster so admittedly i dont really read all of ur posts or responses to everyone and sometimes just skim them, or try to go to the end to see the salient points. it would be kind of exhausting to read all of it and respond to everything in depth. pie wears me down by doing that all the time too and half the time i just don’t have the mental wherewithal to engage him because of it.
also I’m willing to discuss mech, there’s not like a ton i can say for it other than liking certain roles matching justifications but I’ll admit a couple of the roles in the graveyard wouldn’t have been my first guesses as matches to their respective characters
Well yes, I am pointing to Pies ISO. Its super super super fucking tiny. https://www.debatecraft.com/users/ILikePie5/mafia-comments
Right here. You can skim literally 13 small posts. They are really small. I think you can read them all in like 60 seconds. Maybe 100 seconds? I duno.
If you want me to X post his entire ISO into this thread I can because its so tiny.
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:59 AM (post #177)
i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.
first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.
second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.
third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.
and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.
i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.
i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved
So I think I have more experience than anyone alive with Mag. For their Meta I question the blend argument. Both a Mafia and a Soldier would make sense for wanting to blend but they typically shove early as town breaking RVS. They were not engaged in chat for the D1. They are also rather inconsistent as town jumping from push to push. I see some of that but not as much. In my head what I was considering was if they would actually bet so much on their role that they would lurk. Voicing that feels out of place to me. Its setting everything on the role in a way that I question. These factors make me more suspicious of them.
The flip flop of claims is what gives me the other opinion. Would a S! Mag offhand throw out some fake claim with little thought? Generally I think Mag is more careful as scum than town and they calculate their moves. The 1 shot BP claim is objectively awful. But it would be a really weird thing for scum to make. I think soldier could fit but again- we have not super unpacked mech on the PR claims.
But then I am pretty convinced Wylted is just scum. And I am really struggling to see a Mag/Wylted team. Wylteds behavior screams scum to me in so many ways. No way a town player is this unreasonable hammering days early and not just refusing to talk about things, but actively arguing people are retarded for talking about them. They want a quick hammer and push to stop conversation. Sure- I think its a good scum strategy for this game. The day cycles are starved for information and making that more of the case really doubles down but I am having so much trouble seeing Mag v Wylted as a bus. This site is wild as hell on busses but I do not see it. Their little tussle last night looked like 2 people genuinely pissed at etchother to the extent I am struggling to consider it and because I see Wylted in such a way it makes me think I am wrong in my suspicions on Mag.
Anyways, thats some of whats in my head on the subject.
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:49 AM (post #170)
i get that you want me to engage with the pie tmi but i think your putting way too much weight on it. it doesn't change the bigger picture of why poe points to you and mago. rex's claim is stronger, mago fits the scum slot, and you had the chance to hammer mago but didnt.
i'm not saying you cant be town, but ur asking rex to ignore a pretty straightforward solve without really giving a reason to do so. i'm open to being wrong, but i need more than just another argument about how nobody is engaging with you.
So to be clear its less that I am putting a ton of weight on it and more that I keep bringing it up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over-
Because nobody will fucking look at it and even consider it. Lol. Thats nuts. You guys can not all be scum. What the fuck.. How is it that I have made such a blatantly clear point and nobody even looks at it or talks about it? Why have we not looked at the mech breakdown of what roles fit? Why are we just going back and fourth as I am screaming at the town to just engage and do a tiny bit of sorting? I am uncomfortable with this gamestate. I do think Wylted is just lock scum and I am pretty lost as far as the other outside of that one indicator that you may be their partner. And nobody even wants to spend 3 minutes to look at it and acknowledge that its a point.
To be clear- Not a single person in this game has looked at Pie's ISO and said my point is reasonable. Or unreasonable. Or that I am flatly lying. Or anything. What the fuck? We are in Lylo. You can not all be scum. Why is nobody even bothering to look at these critical details?
Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 11:44 AM (post #165)
just in the future. once you know who scum is. delaying the game only helps scum. we all know it's mago here and whoever is town out of rex and helz is being an idiot. whoever is scum out of those two is also being an idiot because they could atleast hammer and have no cloud of suspicion over them
This literally sounds like scum coaching a town as they feel that town player is not playing right. Lol.
Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 11:40 AM (post #163)
Are you just shoving to hammer the day? Yes. Yes you are. No strawman there
we already know for a fact mago is scum. you can argue I am mistaken next DP if I am still alive. who gives a fuck. why are you holding up this do for something we can address tomorrow?
Im sorry. So its a known fact. Can you explain this known fact to me? I am just too stupid and could not hear it over you just screaming that people should sheep your vote and not talk about anything else.
Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 11:37 AM (post #161)
Now I am basically obligated to defend them regardless of if I think they are town or not to have any chance of winning? Fuck man..
nope. just hammer and then I might not insta lynch you next dp.
Im sure that you will. And you will win. I do not see a world where you are not scum at this point. If you were town you would actually consider things instead of saying "Snap vote this dude and if you want to read people and talk about it first you must be partnered"
Your just saying the same stuff over and over invalidating points and not reading. I get what you want. Not gona get it from me. If you are bussing Mag I think I am just outplayed. I do not see that ATE argument you guys had as fake. But the productive thing you could do is make a case to why others are town / scum instead of just trying to force everyone to follow your lead. Especially after how badly you screwed town with your D2 hammer.
But the truth is you probably do not want to talk about any of it because you are just scum. The fact you are not even slightly interested in sorting what I pointed out about Banana suggests you either know they are Town because you are scum or that they are scum with you. But in every world you are just scum.
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:29 AM (post #159)
did u tag me in the post about the pie read? if not i likely didn’t know it existed. but also i am pretty sure i said he kind of seemed like he was scum reading you or interested in u i never said it was a hard read and thats also not the main reason i think you are scum, its mostly to do with Poe, plus Rex claim being stronger and u not hammering. the last scum can be easily identified next DP, so there really isnt a reason to not hammer here unless u are hoping for a happy lylo accident and town messing up. from ur pov me and mago have to be scum and u have to push rex to that, its the only chance u have at winning if ur scum, otherwise Rex would be hammered
Im not sure if I tagged you. But I have been repeating over and over that people should take the 3 minutes required to do his ISO. He had like 10 posts D2 and I quoted a handful of them. Going through his entire play this game only takes a few minutes.
For reference my D3 post #53 I quote the specific takes Pie had D2. But this is why I am frustrated. People are not even taking the 3 minutes required to skim an ISO and understand the position I am making as Wylted is saying its an invalid point that we should not talk about. I also do not understand how me not snap voting and wanting to talk about players in a Lylo is some kinda scummy thing. I truly am town. I genuinely feel in games of mafia honest communication solves everything in the end when you are town. All I can say is that I want people to ask me anything and read me and understand my thoughts. If people read me wrong its something I understand. A failure on them to read correctly or a failure on me to allow myself to be read correctly. This thing where people refuse to listen and consider the words I am saying is what sucks.
We have not even really dived into the claims and how the PR structure fits. I made points on that and nobody seems to want to talk about it. What are we even doing here? Its fucking LYLO. We loose today if we screw this up. Why are we just shutting our brains off and marching off a cliff when we can unpack the issues and consider them?
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:13 AM (post #157)
what do u mean “play the game”? i understand wanting to have a long running debate with someone and argue ur case, but this isn’t really a situation where that applies. Wylted forced a situation that makes it more or less obvious when he voted for mag and he didn’t get insta hammered. the only scum team u can sell at the moment is me and Wylted being scum together, because that is the only way mago is innocent. and u aren’t going to convince me of that lol.
so the only person u can really appeal to here is Rex.
from my pov Rex not hammering means he is likely town. that or mago is his scum partner and he’s hoping to convince u to vote elsewhere, but then id have to buy there’s no miller with a cop and plus his character fits that really well. so that kind of just leaves u as the only partner that makes sense. u could have bought yourself towncred like Wylted said by hammering mago. would have at least muddied the waters going into tomorrow, tho i would prolly still have a hard time buying Rex as scum over u.
anyways if you are scum i get the frustration, but its not like we aren’t playing to our wincon here, from a mechanical standpoint is seems pretty obvious that u and mago r scum here. the most i could do for u is say that its at least possible that rex is scum as well. i will consider that going into tomorrow.
I mean I am actually digging in the thread referencing posts and making points. And it goes out the window. Nobody talks about it. I was not even hard set on you being scum but now I basically just have to hope that you are.
If you want to jump in and talk about it lets do that. Do you even see my point on you saying Pie D2 thought I was scum as unreasonable? Have you clicked on their ISO to see what I see there? I even put quotes in the thread. But you are not even addressing the issue and instead just defaulting to a focus on me not quick hammering Mag? This does not look good. This entire game has been starved for interaction and ending a Lylo without sorting people is ugly. At least I can sort Mag and consider them if you are engaging and playing the game but if your gona shut your brain off and say your gona lynch me regardless my only chance of winning changes. That is much less about what I am considering and much more about being forced to hope a slot is town that I am not even confident is and it sucks.
Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 10:47 AM (post #154)
also u not hammering basically confirms that Helz is the last scum
which is why I advised Helz to hammer. it's basically game throwing that he didn't because it makes it obvious
Oh, Its gamethrowing to want to uhh.. Play the fucking game? Like.. Talk about things and not snap vote?
You do realize I am not even confident Mag is town and I now just have to accept that I loose in every world going forward if they are not both town and we lynch between you and Banana because of this ridiculous way your are playing.
I would also expect a debate community to have a better understanding of the use of the strawman fallacy.
Are you just shoving to hammer the day? Yes. Yes you are. No strawman there
Are you flatly invalidating points made instead of talking about them? Yup
Are you interacting with the thread in any way to help solve? Nope. Not even a little bit. Your just declaring yourself right and calling everyone else stupid for not seeing things like you. And the sad part is your just fucking wrong. Its kinda funny from my view. Gona be real funny post game.
But seriously. Please dive in and play or just go away. If all your gona do is shut your brain off and insult people for not blindly following your pretty unjustified game solve why keep popping in? At the very least sit down and make a structured case against me or Mag or Rex or Banana as town or scum. Play the fucking game~ Or dont~
This middle ground of just popping in to invalidate any position instead of justifying your own is honestly getting under my skin. And its even more funny because you are getting away with it as scum repeating the same stuff with zero effort. I hope your overconfidence blows up in your face on this one and Rex actually takes time to consider things.
I suppose if Banana is no longer going to play and just set on a path I basically have to gamble that they are scum. Rex is now the kingmaker. If you are scum well played. But while I am considering that Mag can be scum if one of them is bussing there its going to be a loss given both Wylted and Banana intend to snap vote D4.
So I loose if Rex is scum in every world
I loose if Mag is the lynch even if one of Banana or Wylted are town
I basically have to focus between Banana and Wylted and pray they are exactly the scum team. That sucks given I am still not confident on Mag and had hoped to sort them. Now I am basically obligated to defend them regardless of if I think they are town or not to have any chance of winning? Fuck man..
Still really disappointed that nobody is engaging on my point on Banana. I say it over and over and over and over and nobody even touches the subject. Reminds me of my first game here where I screamed at town for like 8 hours begging them to ask me anything and use their brains and I ended up getting lynched for a retarded detail that almost cost the town the game. This is frustrating.
Actually as a parallel I remember in that game too there was a player who had claimed to have made an entire case against me as I called them out for not even making one. Then they flipped scum. Feels like this situation with Banana saying Pie thought I was scum D2. As everyone lethargically accepts that as truth and does not bother to take 3 minutes to skim Pies ISO and verify those spoke words. Its just a lie 100%. Anyone can click a thing and check it~ That shit never happened and everyone can see it for themselves. Will anyone bother? Who knows. But part of me is getting to the point of feeling town does not deserve this win. When games start making me more frustrated than I enjoy them I kinda question what I am doing with my time.
I will just consolidate my defense to a few concise points-
-If I was scum I would have a team mate to talk to. I would run my claim by them. Everyone else has played here for a long time and I would be told that such a fake claim is awful. Given I am a careful player why as scum would I make such a claim
-Im sorry, but you are all on some total bullshit. I have the role. I am looking at it. Saying its not possible is just wrong.
-The only points to say I am scum are the claim and Banana saying Pie suspected me D2 which is simply not true from chat. I will say it again and again that everyone should skim his ISO. Its super quick and easy. But this take is simply wrong with the only indicator that I was suspected being Wylteds claimed night action but Banana could not know about that unless they had a chat
Looks like I screwed up the quote function. But that was me quoting Pie's D1 #203. I feel its of note for 2 reasons-
1- They would be inclined to check their scum reads. So it is possible for them to have checked either Pie or Wylted in which case I am just wrong given they would have revealed with a red check immediately.
2- It also is of note going into D2 for Bananas point. Going all the way through Pie they never really pushed me this game. The assumption that Pie scum read me could not even be traced to anything in D1. This means the absolute only thing that suggests Pie suspected me is Wylteds check and is of note.
I get that I am tunneling a bit on that specific point potentially being TMI but I really do think a T! Wylted would have interest to look back and consider at the very least. While I keep re examining Banana just about every potential I see has Wylted as scum.
Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 9:47 AM (post #146)
bro just self hammer. you were already caught and rex admitted it was 80% to be you. I think as scum I have more honor because I would just self hammer here
If your going to be active in the thread can you actually do something instead of just shoving everyone to vote right now? Everyone understands your ridiculous point. Nevermind that it would be self shading for me to even claim non-compulsive in that situation which does not make sense but if all your going to do is scream at people to end the game right now can you please do it into your pillow instead of on the thread? I would like to actually play the game and analyze the thread. I know looking back into prior days is not a big thing on this site but this is a small game and it does not even take that long right now.
I can not think of a world where Wylted is not scum. I get them having some super insane dedication to a site meta of a role. The confidence they are voicing is very off and its even more troubling that they are shoving people over and over to vote right now like they do not want people to sit down and talk about the game.
Their avoidance of my point on banana is also of note. Just flatly saying "Its not worth talking about" and utterly ignoring that at no point D2 did Pie suspect me at all. They only had 1 take that disagreed with me as they flatly said they did not think it was scummy. The extent they defended me very much made me assume they had checked me.
It really looks like a S! Banana and S! Wylted came up with a plan N2 and screwed up the order of it. Banana made points that were not possible without Wylteds claim first which is easy to see just looking at Pie's ISO. Now when its called out we have Wylted shoving everyone to speed vote and just ignore that. Not a good look. I would have expected any arrangement of TvW or TvT between Wylted and Banana to have a different reaction by Wylted.
That D2 hammer also looked bad for Wylted. Totally unnecessary.
Going back through the game this post from Pie is also of note-
Vibes based reads based on flow of what I’ve read (still depressed)
WF and REF are lean town.
Wylted, Mago, Helz are null
Wryly and Banana are tilt scum
Thoth is lean scum
Im going to take some time to go through everyone more but will be around. I am not sure if I will be voting outside of Wryly. Their position on me is just wrong, their constantly shoving people to vote right now and shutting down D2 before we could talk is awful, and their behavior on Banana is either TMI as a wolf or protecting their partner.
If they are not paired with Banana it gets interesting. A Rex pair does not make sense given Rex did not hammer Mag. And a Mag pair would mean its another wild ass bus situation but their interaction in the thread did not look at all like a puppet show. They looked genuinely pissed off at etchother to the point I have trouble seeing it.
To be constructive I would like to hear Mags reads. I also want to hear Wylteds thoughts on Banana that I outlined as well as Bananas response to the position they took.
I would like to understand what Rex is seeing.
But whoever wins and looses can we please chill the fuck out? This type of hostility is very unnecessary and I want to enjoy experiences with people. Not feel like I am getting called a retard when I have probably played more games of Mafia than every player in this entire lobby combined. Really, even if you beat me this game that kind of stuff is not appreciated. I think scum has revealed their hand and wants to rush a hammer to prevent conversation but its something I hope we can calmly discuss without insulting etchother as Rex and I talk things out. I would also like to see civil participation from other players and engaging in the issues raised.
I will chew on the interaction and how people put in votes but man.. This was one nasty day phase.
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/9/2026 at 8:35 PM (post #120)
Do not vote right off the bat, talk to me first and discuss things a bit.
Yeah, I will have time tommorow. I am unhappy with how this day phase has gone and very much intend to hold off and talk.
Wylted's screaming for action right now looks pretty scummy to me. As does their assertion that a PGO has to be compulsive and unlimited. That stuff is OP as fuck and I have only really seen in mashes on places like 2p2
Anyways. Will be around for another hour or so. If someone wants a total unfiltered response from me I was fed drinks in that meeting and I am comfortable explaining absolutely anything off the top of my head.
I very much think that the worst thing we can do is quick hammer. Very obviously there is a TvW between those two and if we choose wrong the game is over but lets not rush anything.
And again lets please dig back in the thread. Its a dead game with minimal posts. Digging is so fucking easy. Its absurd that even a fact like Banana claiming I was scum read by Pie D2 was not even called out.
Can we just calm down and start unpacking and looking at facts please? Calm examination of exactly what is claimed and what has been said is the path forward
I am not going to vote for now. Wylted going full crash out melt down mode over their meta expectation of a role is pretty silly to me. I also think we should sit down and have a calm discussion of the other issues I raised about the mech positioning of role claims and the issue of Banana's potential TMI instead of hammering without conversation for yet another day.
Lets slow the fuck down and talk about things. The emotional hostility is making me uncomfortable at this point and its totally unnecessary. Its a fucking game. Lets play and enjoy the intellectual journey together.
I guess we can all say Mag and Wylted are not WvW and snicker at that fact.
Holy fucking mafia drama. Jesus Christ calm the fuck down guys
Originally Posted by wylted on 11/9/2026 at 6:48 PM (post #67)
that it could be just Wylted + Banana...
then put your vote on me. what the fuck are you waiting for.
neither me nor rex is going to put banana as scum so this isn't going to work. if you saw last game you know how transparent she is as scum. you guys maybe could have painted pie or whiteflame as scum but your NK targets were retarded
Seriously gotta go to a meeting. I do not have time for this really silly argument you are making and I am not interested in shutting out another day with a fast vote.
While I think what you are saying is stupid I need to consider if its scummy.
Originally Posted by wylted on 11/9/2026 at 6:42 PM (post #63)
just fucking put your vote on me. let's not play this game. you got caught, because you don't know how a PGO works.
they work the same on all mafia sites by the way, don't tell me anything about meta
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner
you have to entirely bank on rex fucking up no because I'm pretty sure banana won't so just stop fucking around and place your vote
I have shit to do and will follow up tommorow. But you are on some total bullshit and just inexperienced if you have never seen a PGO thats not compulsive. I will actually say the majority of times I have had a PGO (Also called a veteran) in games it has not been compulsive and its also almost always limited shot.
We could argue about this but the reality is I was given this role and MafiaScum's weird style of hosting games off some book like its DnD is not how 95% of sites make their games. Your going to be in for a very rough ride if you sign up for the game I am going to host soon and see the roles that exist thinking their strange little wiki is how roles are obligated to operate.
Anyways, will set aside time tomorrow to interact. Wylteds reaction painting a role I do have as impossible makes me slightly more comfortable that it could be just Wylted + Banana.
Originally Posted by wylted on 11/9/2026 at 6:31 PM (post #60)
this genius fake claimed PGO but never checked the description of what a PGO is. it's compulsive by its nature. Jesus Christ dude
Well reality begs to differ. And you can see multiple softs throughout the game of me speaking about negative utility issues as well as talking about PGO existing.
I get this site has weird meta. Like Miller functions not being in addition to a PR. This is what I was given. You can ask the host about it post game but I will be unhappy if we loose because you think Luna would not make a role
I do strongly encourage everyone just to skim Pies ISO and consider how Banana drew the conclusion they suspected me. That pings me really fucking hard and is a critical issue I would like everyone to examine and consider.
A few things pretty quick-
For starters I am Stanley Ipkiss from The Mask. I am a PGO. Thought about lying about that right now but I won't specifically because it may be useful to solve. I softed this in multiple posts pointing out PGO's potential existence as well pointing doubt at a Miller+ a Bus Driver given I also have a potentially negative utility.
For Flavor "The Grinch" feels out of place. Seems like an evil character claim. But if Rex was scum I am not sure why they would claim that. That and the overcrowded negitive utility set are my main concerns. I dislike that they were basically given a full pass this game but they have not pinged me in any substantial way from memory.
Banana bothers me in their claim. They are the only citizen? Every single other player seems to have some function or modifier and they just do nothing? Its strikes me as very odd.
I will also say with Banana their argument that Pie suspected me D2 could be a TMI slip. Look through Pie's ISO- https://www.debatecraft.com/users/ILikePie5/mafia-comments
Some highlights to note (In reverse order)-
Simple POE says Wryly and/or Wylted. Lean Wryly cause she feels different. The push on the inactive is different from her past behavior if I remember correctly. She also seemed wayyyy too okay with lynching Thoth. Almost like an “oh well,” vs if she thought he was town, she’d be defending him.
Pushes a sus on Wylted
Vibes from Wryly have been off all game. She just feels different.
Also pushes Wryly
As much as I disagree with Helz here, I don’t think it’s scummy. His play would be far less erratic imo. Theres no need for him to be erratic here as scum. He’s a very calculated individual. This may be an act, but it’s a very risky act if he were scum
Defends me
I don’t think it’s TMI. Different people can read the same thing and come to different conclusions
Also defends me (asked if my view of WF being a PR was TMI)
And I do want to unpack this argument. To begin with how the fuck would I have TMI that WF was a PR N1? Think that through. I would have to be some kinda scum with a N0 role cop check on a player for it to even be TMI to begin with.
Pie did before this push against my feeling that what Wryly said was out of line. This is the one even opposed argument Pie had with me on D2 that could justify Bananas argument of Pie suspecting me in the slightest.
Nowhere in D2 do they even slightly suspect me. They even actually defended me to the point when I saw their flip I figured they may have actually checked me D1. But then (Important timeline) AFTER Banana made this claim Wylted reveals they saw Pie check me. This is pretty substantial in my mind. Looking at chat an uninformed Banana would have not known that and there is nothing in the chat the even slightly suggests they suspected me that I saw. This is also after a pattern of what I feel like is them painting me D2 on recognizing Whiteflames first post softed a PR. I still feel its very blatant although I get some people seemed to think I was talking about their second post instead of post #2 in the thread.
But to be clear unless Banana has a chat with Wylted their insinuation that Pie suspected me D2 makes absolutely zero sense looking at the chat. This very much does look like TMI to me but would make the team exactly Wylted+Banana if this is a hard slip and their role claim is both a convenient one for scum as well as being out of place for what we now know to exist. Or Banana is just making things up. Had they read Pie's ISO they would literally have been pushing Wylted instead of me right now.
I would like to see a read wall from Mag. The fake claim thing I sorta get. If they have that flavor it makes sense to say BP as a claim hiding soldier to fit flavor even if I dislike the lack of thought given. I would expect if someone crafted their entire world view and decided to intentionally lurk to hide their role and survive they would have taken the time to make a fake claim. Now that the jig is up and thats out the window (if they are town) I want to see more from them. We are in Lylo and I do not have clarity on their position past the 1v1 they are pushing. They did make a good point on the lack of hammer. It demands that its at least WvT between the two of them given scum would have hammered if that was TvT. That is something we should take as a mechanical confirmed aspect. There pretty much has to be 1 scum between Mag and Wryly. I suppose its possible for it to be WvW but that would be pretty wild.
I will again state my day today is pretty busy but I will be around tomorrow quite a bit if people want direct interaction. I will also restate that I feel everyone should re-read Pie's ISO and consider the position Banana took as well as the claim Wylted made.
