MeowMix wrote:
If it can't get to why you believe he was suited scum I have to assume we just won't agree or you have TMI about his alignment. I guess I can re-read his D1 but this is a stretch imo.
I pretty much gave a wall explaining. Also have a massive amounts of posts from yesterday you can go through if you would like to understand why I think what I think. I have been very open on my thoughts on them the entire game.
MeowMix wrote:
Helz wrote:
I will also say though- What possible benefit would there be to a wolf going wayyy against the norm pushing that there is a tailor potential? I feel I presented some pretty sound logic and I really just do not believe that if they were town they would have played like that. Unless someone just wants to explain thats how they can be I am pretty stuck on it and find the potential of a tailor more likely than the potential of them doing all that as town.
Why is it not just possible he was town Helz? Sell it to me.
Im not trying to sell that its not possible. I have simply said I am convinced enough that its more likely for a tailor function than them being town to me. I have never said that its utterly impossible and I am not going to argue that point
wylted wrote:
Janitor
Janitor usually deletes the result. Makes it so there is no alignment or role reveal at all in my experiance
I will also say though- What possible benefit would there be to a wolf going wayyy against the norm pushing that there is a tailor potential? I feel I presented some pretty sound logic and I really just do not believe that if they were town they would have played like that. Unless someone just wants to explain thats how they can be I am pretty stuck on it and find the potential of a tailor more likely than the potential of them doing all that as town.
You are speaking like I have not voiced Kohai's meta and referenced their reads and voiced concerns about Wylted based on the spew. Duno what you are on about there.
I agree you could question the benefits. I do feel like its a decent play to break town spew and keep town in a second D1 effectively. One of the very few things we have to consider if you do disbelieve the tailor potential is if Ultra was a TvT or WvT counter wagon. One of my problems pushing it is that I can not figure out if they are avoiding giving thoughts or just kinda lazy as a player (no offence)
Pie is doing his usual Pie thing. Flipping from person to person and fiending for claims like a crack head but they do that as town. I have not seen their scum game.
I think it derails the entire town. Making the first wolf flip look like a town is an excellent play imo.
I get that I could just be super tunneling but I very truly can not believe that Kohai was town and pulled all that.
Well, sense chats not moving much I will unpack my tailor reasoning. I will break it down into 2 pieces. The role flip and if Kohai could be town.
Kohai-
For starters I truly do not see how Kohai could be town. I flatly do not believe it. Lets unpack their behavior
The slip-
Initially they say scum got to choose from 3 options for the fake mechanic
I call this out as a hard scum slip. Pie and someone else verify they had followed up and asked the host and were not given any info on an amount of things to pick from.
They react saying it was an RT; but at the same time they crash out hard and emotionally loosing their shit. This I immediately called bullshit on because if it was a reaction test their trap snapped shut and they should be happy that their plan succeeded and move onto the next part.
They later claim it was actually a lie. Well yeah, I figured that out immediately given their reaction to being called out. I figure they did not have a choice but to reveal that.
Then they say it was a hallucination. Im unsure what that's suppose to mean but they had claimed VT and this is the third time their story changes.
The Role-
This looks like it was custom written to address the concerns voiced during D1.
"if I don’t feel you are making an effort to act drunk you will die (not as a modkill but as a game mechanic)"
Really? This feels super targeted to the entire huge deal we were talking about over and over of if it was too vague of a request to the point its a little bit bastard followed by the questions of "Would Luna do a modkill right after how they felt about the modkills last game?
Then the wording of it just feels different than my card.
Then there was the evolution of the drunk stuff where at the end they were saying that they only needed to say a few words with what I find really suspicious. (Again their post 703 on D1)
Two be kleae Luna did state thattt it really only had to be une or two words. Ive beeen a bit tooo deeeo into my karacter.
+My autistik brain enterpreted to mean every post
But wait.. The role flip we see flatly says "You are basically a vanilla, but must post like a drunk, using slurred language or gibberish in all of your posts."
Sooo.. What was there to interpret? Also that bit makes the role seem even more unreasonable and unfun. I could get a requirement to act a bit drunk but in literally every single post? Thats a holy shit level of fucked up. Would Lunatic even do something like that to a player?
We can dig into tailor or not but I am really struggling to see how Kohai could possibly have been town to the point I think its much more likely they were simply tailored.
Btw- we should like, make or use a role list or something. This whole closed setups with people constantly banging their heads against the wall not even knowing what the fuck the name of a role means or does is not great.
ILikePie5 wrote:
Ultracrepidarian wrote:
Explain the Helz vote?
Only a few people could’ve seen the Wryly thing. He’s the person that comes to mind that I don’t town read plus find interesting that he asked Luna specifically if scum made the lie or not
I actually did not even ask if Tailor could do alignments. I just assumed it to be the case and first asked if a tailor needed to use a night action to tailor or if they could do it in the day phase. Got told they will not answer questions about hypothetic roles. I mentioned it was in the intro and he said its known one rule is a lie so I stopped there.
Then I concluded that if Tailor could do the action that was not the lie so the Flavor split is the most likely lie.
Anyways. Im back. Gona be building a Band Saw while looking at the thread. New tool day : )
ILikePie5 wrote:
VTL: Helz
You know D1 was the time for RVS right?
wylted wrote:
The given justification is because I contribute nothing to society
Hey boomer. I wanna thank you for the fact that my kid can't go out to play like I did when I was young because you are soft on crime and simultaneously support replacing the native population so you could pay space wages to your medical staff.
To be far George Soros was part of the Silent generation. They kinda single handedly made that happen pouring massive amounts of money into DA election races specifically trying to restructure society into being soft on crime.
ILikePie5 wrote:
Helz wrote:
On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.
That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.
What makes it “obvious” to you?
I would like to wait to hear from others before I explain.
Im getting an understanding that here Tailors do not generally touch alignment. I figured thats more of the norm on many sites
Wryly wrote:
I can't believe Kohai was innocent. Where did the number three pop into his head from? Why tf did he change his story? It's like he was trying to get lynched.
I literally do not believe it. Just no
I am also still of the opinion Ultra needs to give actual content. They basically showed up and rambled about how they have posted more times than other people before disappearing.
Yes. That is my thought process. I am pretty far down that rabbit hole and would like to hear what others think prior to me explaining what I am looking at.
I am wondering if I should read into why Wilyed/Casey and Mag/Me0w have the original and replacement accounts reversed. Maybe a bit of a reach but could reflect T/W between the two.
ILikePie5 wrote:
We need to get a claim from Wylted. All of DP1 from that slot was a waste.
I am highly suspicious of them as well. Their activity in the limited time they were in the game pinged me quite a bit and their interactions specifically with Kohai looked like a mix of theater and bussing.
Also of note Kohai chronically scum reads their partners. I noticed it as a very very strong pattern when I wolfed with them last game. So their EoD push was:
Meye poe is: Wilyed (casey), Mag (me0w), Meekal, Rex and ultr@
I am going to suspect the other 2 wolves are in there.
On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.
That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.
wylted wrote:
Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior
Unfortunately. Scum had to have noticed for them to be the kill. Otherwise the people that do not think that Kohai was tailored would be on Banana today
So if you are not aware- they are claiming to be a vanilla with a chat modifier that they must talk like a drunk or be mod killed. This is very odd imo. But now they are walking it back to say they only need to say a word or two which makes even less sense for a host to create as a role. And it also is absurd that they keep posting like that if they know thats the case.
The other issues were they had a TMI slip voicing that Mafia got 3 options for the fake mechanic. When I called it out they claimed it was an RT and went a bit wild. Then they turned around and said they lied and later that they thought it was said and hallucinated it.
I could keep going but that "I only had to say 2 words" bit was way over my limit. No host would make such an insane role requirement to say 2 words or you will be mod killed.
MeowMix wrote:
Helz wrote:
Guys.. Did nobody read post #703?
Like.. Read it. Its why I voted
So, what stands out to you about it that's alignment indicative?
It makes absolutely zero sense. They are claiming the host demanded they say one or two words talking like a drunk in the day phase or they will be mod killed.
Kohai wrote:
Meye poe is: Wilyed (casey), Mag (me0w), Meekal, Rex and ultr@
This is also a post to remember. Kohai is pretty bus happy and loves theater suggesting they threw their team mates in the PoE. They also love theater.
I was slightly pinged by Wilyed's intro. Immediately went on Kohai's counter wagon with strange confidence on Ultra then circles back with what could easily be exactly that theater while being in Kohai's PoE post.
If Kohai flips scum Wilyed is worth looking into from their initial interactions and Kohai's meta.
Well. This time anyways. If there was any question if they were scum I think thats out the window claiming they only need to say 2 words to not be mod killed. And it also makes them continuing to post like this just silly.
At this point we are just being trolled
Anyone else feeling like this is theater?
Thoth wrote:
Who is Meowmix?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX9H5-i4Kek
Ehh, This is just too much. I cant. I just cant..
VTL: Kohai
So Lunatic told you that you had to say a word or two about being drunk or you would be mod killed?
This sounds even less reasonable.
But yeah, I am all for slowing down on claims. If we are gona claim things in we could just claim the flavor stuff given it would semi lock in how scum could justify having certain actions later. But it could run some risk of wild interactions and hand scum something to speculate peoples roles on as well.
